John Burton Sour Grapes...Really!!!

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I guess many people here are extremely jealous of John ...why?
He is a great case maker?? Yes... He is
He lives in Asia ? Yes he does... Lucky him...
He has a very beautifull wife?? Yes he does...
Is he honorable in is business? Yes he is...

So what the hell is wrong with u people???
 
I recently put the Jack Justis AZ 2012 case of the year I own up for sale. John Barton gave me a nice green rep for it today...go figure!!! Below is his comment: :deadhorse:



F/S AZ 2012 Jack Justis... 02-02-2013 03:12 AM JB Cases Way to parlay the "win". Next year if people ask their friends and family to vote I predict that a Chinese case will win by an amazingly huge margin.


Wedge
Maybe its just me but whats so awful about what John
said?This thread seems to be more of a personal thing than anything
else.
In this day and age people seem to want to go to the outer limits
to be offended.Johns comments to me were just comments and thats
it.
Anything taken beyond that are people looking for any reason to be pissed
at him,unfortunately with no merit.
Did it bother John that he didn't win?Maybe it did,that wouldn't be
odd though.
Your case looks awesome and congrats on the win but imo no need
to turn a comment into bashing parade for the forum.Again,congrats on the win.
 
I guess many people here are extremely jealous of John ...why?
He is a great case maker?? Yes... He is
He lives in Asia ? Yes he does... Lucky him...
He has a very beautifull wife?? Yes he does...
Is he honorable in is business? Yes he is...

So what the hell is wrong with u people???

It has little to do with jealousy and more to do with calling John on his stupid, petty, infantile ways.

Case and point....

John's quick to say "No sour grapes. But.....".
He's also quick to say "Its not about me..." then talks about his cases, his designs, his opinions, and single-handedly has more posts in this thread than anyone else.

John is an egomaniac AND, from the looks of it, somewhat insecure. He NEEDS to be considered the top in his field. So lets just all agree that John is awesome, his cases are the best, he's always right, pretty damn strong, remarkably intelligent, really handsome, etc.. Maybe then he'll stop being so damn petty and immature. I'm guessing probably not though. A tiger can't change his stripes. John is who he is. And he'll continue to act this way for YEARS to come. Afterall, how many times has he turned over a new leaf and decided life's too short for flame wars and petty internet squabbles? Yet, here we are again.

- B <---------expects a long, arrogant, foolish response from John to this post.
 
It has little to do with jealousy and more to do with calling John on his stupid, petty, infantile ways.

Case and point....

John's quick to say "No sour grapes. But.....".
He's also quick to say "Its not about me..." then talks about his cases, his designs, his opinions, and single-handedly has more posts in this thread than anyone else.

John is an egomaniac AND, from the looks of it, somewhat insecure. He NEEDS to be considered the top in his field. So lets just all agree that John is awesome, his cases are the best, he's always right, pretty damn strong, remarkably intelligent, really handsome, etc.. Maybe then he'll stop being so damn petty and immature. I'm guessing probably not though. A tiger can't change his stripes. John is who he is. And he'll continue to act this way for YEARS to come. Afterall, how many times has he turned over a new leaf and decided life's too short for flame wars and petty internet squabbles? Yet, here we are again.

- B <---------expects a long, arrogant, foolish response from John to this post.
And yet,he's not the one who started this thread?I know if
somebody started a thread about me,I would defend myself to the bitter end...well or until my typing fingers go numb.
 
It has little to do with jealousy and more to do with calling John on his stupid, petty, infantile ways.

Case and point....

John's quick to say "No sour grapes. But.....".
He's also quick to say "Its not about me..." then talks about his cases, his designs, his opinions, and single-handedly has more posts in this thread than anyone else.

John is an egomaniac AND, from the looks of it, somewhat insecure. He NEEDS to be considered the top in his field. So lets just all agree that John is awesome, his cases are the best, he's always right, pretty damn strong, remarkably intelligent, really handsome, etc.. Maybe then he'll stop being so damn petty and immature. I'm guessing probably not though. A tiger can't change his stripes. John is who he is. And he'll continue to act this way for YEARS to come. Afterall, how many times has he turned over a new leaf and decided life's too short for flame wars and petty internet squabbles? Yet, here we are again.

- B <---------expects a long, arrogant, foolish response from John to this post.

Well there u go... He is great in every way...
 
I stopped reading after pg1...but I don't find JB's posts to be unwarranted at all.

Au contraire! I think he states his case succinctly and clearly: he ovbiously did not like the way the voting was influenced and made both his displeasure and the manipulation known the ay zee bee.

I didn't make anything known to AZ. I made it known to Wedge and he decided to make it public.

John & Joe,
I have been reading and following your threads for quite some time and think you two just dont like each other. This year before or after SBE you guy's should find a boxing gym,put the gloves on and get all this stuff off your chest. It would due both of you a world of good.

If that would resolve anything I'd be all for it. Not that I want to beat him up or get beat up by him but I'd be happy to not have him making disparaging and slanderous comments whenever he feels like it. It's clear to me that he has no fear whatsover of being sanctioned by Mr. Wilson so perhaps this is my pennance for past transgressions of my own. Joe and I have "made up" many times and each time he has resumed the attacks within weeks of shaking my hand and playing nice. I just have come to understand that he is the way he is for whatever reasons that are personal to him. Kind of like having a permanent fixture that is annoying but can be lived with.

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The rest is a reply to Joe.

You should reread what you write. Study it, and know that the application is self reflecting.

Yes Joe, just because I have an opinion does not make it true. However I usually back up my opinions with evidence when I can. When it comes to cases I generally have plenty of evidence to support my statements.

You're a small, small man, who cannot stand that your case didn't win. That someone you despise, did win. Of course we all know your feelings towards Jack and its eating you up.

Yes, I suppose that is why I nominated the Goulet/Justis case as my personal nomination. From our 2012 production I nominated Jamie Wernsman's case which I knew going in wasn't going to stand a chance against the heavily tooled Meltons and Quiverz, Justis and Armor cases.

This is why I actively asked people to nominate cases and made sure that Armor put another case in.

For someone so obsessed I sure did a poor job of getting more of our work in the list and a very poor job of getting votes. In fact I didn't try at all to get votes and was pleased to get five of them.

I could have asked my customers to put in their JB Cases. But no one was asked to do that. I could have asked for votes but not a single request was made. Pretty poor job for someone so obsessed with "winning" wouldn't you agree?

I don't despise Jack at all. He was my friend. Now he isn't. I don't really agree with a lot of what he does and says but that's life. I do despise and pity you however because you advocate the murder of ten million people in order to provide others with work. That sort of disregard for human life is completely opposite of what I believe in. I also despise you because of the way you relentlessly lie and slander me, my business and my family. But I do understand that you have your own issues to deal with that make you the way you are so I also forgive you for being the way you are.

I suppose I should have been more on the job and put in these cases for the contest.

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Is industry standard to strong a phrase in this case, maybe, but it gets the point across. See his cases are the most recognizable, just like you can spot a Szamboti, Bushka or Haley from across the room and know who made it.

Maybe in a few rooms. But I have traveled the country and Instroke has sold well more than 10x the amount of cases as Justis and most people can't name the brand on sight. Justis cases are actually rare "in the wild" and most pool rooms only have a few people who own one if any. Maybe YOU can spot a Haley or Szamboti from across the room but MOST people in a pool room couldn't tell you the brand of cue on sight if you gave them five guesses.

AZB is a bubble. The people who come here every day and who hang out in the cue gallery are very up to speed on what's what. People who don't hang out here all the time are not up to speed on the latest and greatest cue and case designs. I know this because I actually went around to hundreds of pool rooms around the world and talked to people about our cases.

The reason you cannot do that with a JB is that it could be mistaken for a Fellini, a Thomas, a Centennial, a JEF Case (Flowers) or one of many other designs that you have lifted.

Well Joe, again we aren't trying to be cookie cutter and tied to one profile.

Although I don't recall seeing anyone but us doing cases like this? This is my original model, 100% designed by me.

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Before you go off on "well Jack took the Flowers design.. bla bla bla bla bla... Yes the construction and general shape of the cases are the same, but no one who knows the cases will contend they are one and the same or even remotely made by the same people even from a distance. I know, you disagree and quite frankly no one cares that you disagree.

His current cases certainly have an unmistakeable flavor. But the early cases we very similar to JEF cases and Swift cases. In any event it doesn't matter because the appearance of a case is not an "industry standard" and your use of it does not get the point across instead it denigrates all the other fine case makers out there who don't use the Flowers/Swift look, like Whitten, Turcasso, Garth Bair and so on.


Again John, you're a small petty man you prove time and time again that once the spotlight isn't on you, you'll do anything you can to take it away from whomever it is on using any means necessary. Now its Wedge stuffed the ballot box.. lol.. So much to the extent that the guy has to publically come here to get you to stop.

Really? Go back and read the first post. It was a simple note on a positive rep.

But beyond that let's keep focus here. I would have preferred to never know that Wedge was begging for votes. Obviously some others were not happy about it and that's how I became aware of it. I had let it go until I saw the over-the-top marketing using the Case of the Year win. I am sorry but this just struck me the wrong way and I let Wedge know it. I can only guess that he feels guilty or something for "stuffing the ballot" box otherwise he wouldn't have made sure that everyone now knows he did it. I was content to simply let him know that I was aware of it and leave it at that.

Knowing your psychotic tendencies, his PM box is probably full and you've tried to call his boss to get him fired already.

That's more your style.

Three words... Let it go.
JV

Why? Why should I let it go when I think a person not only gamed the system to push his case to a position it might not have reached on it's own and who then uses that position to rub everyone's face in it by trying to charge far more than the case is worth? I mean it's not like I made a public comment about it. I merely made a snarky comment to Wedge IN PRIVATE and left it at that. Sorry that it bothers you when I take a stand on something. Apparently only you are allowed to do that.

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This seems oddly familiar. :rolleyes:

Once again Joe, you've hit the nail squarely on the head! :thumbup:

Let's get together at the SBE so I can buy you a beer!

Am I still going to get the beer you promised me in PM? But no, Joe not only missed the nail he hit himself in the head with his rubber hammer.
 
It has little to do with jealousy and more to do with calling John on his stupid, petty, infantile ways.

Case and point....

John's quick to say "No sour grapes. But.....".
He's also quick to say "Its not about me..." then talks about his cases, his designs, his opinions, and single-handedly has more posts in this thread than anyone else.

John is an egomaniac AND, from the looks of it, somewhat insecure. He NEEDS to be considered the top in his field. So lets just all agree that John is awesome, his cases are the best, he's always right, pretty damn strong, remarkably intelligent, really handsome, etc.. Maybe then he'll stop being so damn petty and immature. I'm guessing probably not though. A tiger can't change his stripes. John is who he is. And he'll continue to act this way for YEARS to come. Afterall, how many times has he turned over a new leaf and decided life's too short for flame wars and petty internet squabbles? Yet, here we are again.

- B <---------expects a long, arrogant, foolish response from John to this post.

:-) Sorry but I don't think it's infantile to be a little disturbed when someone games the vote to get in the top spot and then uses that "win" to attempt to sell their case for more than it's worth.

I WAS pretty much over it until I saw the ad and the content and I jsut couldn't help but make a PRIVATE comment to Wedge about it.

As for me talking about our cases I figure that as long as Joe and Wedge are going to put me down with slander and lies then I can respond with pretty pictures of what we do.

I am totally at peace Brian. I don't have to be recognized as being at the top of the field I am at the top of the field. I don't need awards or accolades to tell me that. So sorry if I somehow disappointed you but I would never want to neuter you into complete weakness so that you never stood up for anything and I hope you don't wish the same for me.
 
I didn't make anything known to AZ. I made it known to Wedge and he decided to make it public.



If that would resolve anything I'd be all for it. Not that I want to beat him up or get beat up by him but I'd be happy to not have him making disparaging and slanderous comments whenever he feels like it. It's clear to me that he has no fear whatsover of being sanctioned by Mr. Wilson so perhaps this is my pennance for past transgressions of my own. Joe and I have "made up" many times and each time he has resumed the attacks within weeks of shaking my hand and playing nice. I just have come to understand that he is the way he is for whatever reasons that are personal to him. Kind of like having a permanent fixture that is annoying but can be lived with.

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The rest is a reply to Joe.



Yes Joe, just because I have an opinion does not make it true. However I usually back up my opinions with evidence when I can. When it comes to cases I generally have plenty of evidence to support my statements.



Yes, I suppose that is why I nominated the Goulet/Justis case as my personal nomination. From our 2012 production I nominated Jamie Wernsman's case which I knew going in wasn't going to stand a chance against the heavily tooled Meltons and Quiverz, Justis and Armor cases.

This is why I actively asked people to nominate cases and made sure that Armor put another case in.

For someone so obsessed I sure did a poor job of getting more of our work in the list and a very poor job of getting votes. In fact I didn't try at all to get votes and was pleased to get five of them.

I could have asked my customers to put in their JB Cases. But no one was asked to do that. I could have asked for votes but not a single request was made. Pretty poor job for someone so obsessed with "winning" wouldn't you agree?

I don't despise Jack at all. He was my friend. Now he isn't. I don't really agree with a lot of what he does and says but that's life. I do despise and pity you however because you advocate the murder of ten million people in order to provide others with work. That sort of disregard for human life is completely opposite of what I believe in. I also despise you because of the way you relentlessly lie and slander me, my business and my family. But I do understand that you have your own issues to deal with that make you the way you are so I also forgive you for being the way you are.

I suppose I should have been more on the job and put in these cases for the contest.

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Maybe in a few rooms. But I have traveled the country and Instroke has sold well more than 10x the amount of cases as Justis and most people can't name the brand on sight. Justis cases are actually rare "in the wild" and most pool rooms only have a few people who own one if any. Maybe YOU can spot a Haley or Szamboti from across the room but MOST people in a pool room couldn't tell you the brand of cue on sight if you gave them five guesses.

AZB is a bubble. The people who come here every day and who hang out in the cue gallery are very up to speed on what's what. People who don't hang out here all the time are not up to speed on the latest and greatest cue and case designs. I know this because I actually went around to hundreds of pool rooms around the world and talked to people about our cases.



Well Joe, again we aren't trying to be cookie cutter and tied to one profile.

Although I don't recall seeing anyone but us doing cases like this? This is my original model, 100% designed by me.



His current cases certainly have an unmistakeable flavor. But the early cases we very similar to JEF cases and Swift cases. In any event it doesn't matter because the appearance of a case is not an "industry standard" and your use of it does not get the point across instead it denigrates all the other fine case makers out there who don't use the Flowers/Swift look, like Whitten, Turcasso, Garth Bair and so on.




Really? Go back and read the first post. It was a simple note on a positive rep.

But beyond that let's keep focus here. I would have preferred to never know that Wedge was begging for votes. Obviously some others were not happy about it and that's how I became aware of it. I had let it go until I saw the over-the-top marketing using the Case of the Year win. I am sorry but this just struck me the wrong way and I let Wedge know it. I can only guess that he feels guilty or something for "stuffing the ballot" box otherwise he wouldn't have made sure that everyone now knows he did it. I was content to simply let him know that I was aware of it and leave it at that.



That's more your style.



Why? Why should I let it go when I think a person not only gamed the system to push his case to a position it might not have reached on it's own and who then uses that position to rub everyone's face in it by trying to charge far more than the case is worth? I mean it's not like I made a public comment about it. I merely made a snarky comment to Wedge IN PRIVATE and left it at that. Sorry that it bothers you when I take a stand on something. Apparently only you are allowed to do that.

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Am I still going to get the beer you promised me in PM? But no, Joe not only missed the nail he hit himself in the head with his rubber hammer.

JB is a lot of things, but succinct, not so much. :grin::grin-square::D

best,
brian kc
 
Did it bother John that he didn't win?Maybe it did,that wouldn't be
odd though.

Not in the least. For a couple reasons.

1. Did you see the cases from everyone else? I would have had to turn in something really mind blowing to even have a chance to be in the top three at the end of it.

2. I put in only one of our cases and one that had meaning to me but was guaranteed to have no chance against the heavily tooled and carved cases from others. That's just the reality of it. I put in Jamie's case because I wanted it to be my way of saying thanks to him.

3. We were a little busy having a baby during that time. even if I had wanted to "campaign" for votes, which I didn't even consider for second, I would have had no time since I was a little busy dealing with a new life.
 
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just a quick vote for John Barton's character

John ,
I hate to see these internet goons and thugs at your throat .I just wanted to tell people that John and I had to sort of re negotioate a deal on a case I had John to do for me .I did not know it till later but he had ALOT on his plate with a new child. We worked it all out in private and John went over board to keep me happy .I just hope when I get a few coins together again we can start on a clean slate. Thanks again John , I know I myself am a handful at times .I was born under the Pisces star and tend to get swayed at times .
John Barton is one of our biggest assets to this forum with knowledge ,experience ,and a love of the game.With his talent he could of chose alot of things but John chose pool .
Hang in there John , as my mom says , Jesus was perfect and look what they did to him .:eek:
 
You are the biggest liar in the pool world , bar no one. In my first post there was no slander or slight to your product as you claim. Again, proving my point that your'e a whiney 6 year old girl. You posted your garbage because thats how you work.. look at me, look at me, look at me... If the filed is internet clowns, then you are definately the Emmitt Kelly of that. If you're going to soapbox that I said you have multiple alias' we have Daves proof that you absolutely engage is that behavior.

JV

:-) Sorry but I don't think it's infantile to be a little disturbed when someone games the vote to get in the top spot and then uses that "win" to attempt to sell their case for more than it's worth.

I WAS pretty much over it until I saw the ad and the content and I jsut couldn't help but make a PRIVATE comment to Wedge about it.

As for me talking about our cases I figure that as long as Joe and Wedge are going to put me down with slander and lies then I can respond with pretty pictures of what we do.

I am totally at peace Brian. I don't have to be recognized as being at the top of the field I am at the top of the field. I don't need awards or accolades to tell me that. So sorry if I somehow disappointed you but I would never want to neuter you into complete weakness so that you never stood up for anything and I hope you don't wish the same for me.
 
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I advocate anything and everything that makes the US stronger. Sorry, thats the patriot in me, just like its the capitalist in you to be in China. Stop the victim card, you reap what you sow.

More my style.. funny, no one ever accused me of doing that, or threatening someone with the destruction of his business by making knock offs in China, or being accused of, well.. I can't say it its so heinous. so JB be careful where you step.

Who are you to say he is charging much more than its worth? You cannot be serious, when its YOU that puts about 100 dollars into a 1200 dollar custom case, or 40 bucks into a Fellini copy, and retail them for 300/400, and you want to make that claim about Wedge. How dare you, that in a nutshell is why people come after you. Who the F**k are you to determine that market value? This ain't China where the labor is exploited. He can ask whatever he wants, just like you can.

Now you're trying to ruin the guys sale, you're just a shining piece of work ain't you? And you're not jealous, yeah ok.

JV

I don't despise Jack at all. He was my friend. Now he isn't. I don't really agree with a lot of what he does and says but that's life. I do despise and pity you however because you advocate the murder of ten million people in order to provide others with work. That sort of disregard for human life is completely opposite of what I believe in. I also despise you because of the way you relentlessly lie and slander me, my business and my family. But I do understand that you have your own issues to deal with that make you the way you are so I also forgive you for being the way you are.

That's more your style.

Why? Why should I let it go when I think a person not only gamed the system to push his case to a position it might not have reached on it's own and who then uses that position to rub everyone's face in it by trying to charge far more than the case is worth? I mean it's not like I made a public comment about it. I merely made a snarky comment to Wedge IN PRIVATE and left it at that. Sorry that it bothers you when I take a stand on something. Apparently only you are allowed to do that.
 
You are the biggest liar in the pool world , bar no one. In my first post there was no sander or slight to your product as you claim. Again, proving my point that your'e a whiney 6 year old girl. You posted your garbage because thats how you work.. look at me, look at me, look at me... If the filed is internet clowns, then you are definately the Emmitt Kelly of that. If you're going to soapbox that I said you have multiple alias' we have Daves proof that you absolutely engage is that behavior.

JV

Not to worry Joe, if you didn't lie about me here then you lied plenty elsewhere. Oh wait here you said that I am just upset because my case didn't win. That's wrong and isn't technically a lie just an incorrect assumption.

Then you said that I put Jiasen in business. That is a lie because you know very well, being the astute follower of my work that you are, that I worked with an already established Jiasen to help them become better case makers.

Then you put me down several times, called me names like nutcase and psychotic and now "biggest liar in the business." Which is defamation of character Joe.

As for multiple aliases, is this your platform now? Yes I have had many accounts on here for various reasons. Some out of a need to have a private identity free from the type of slanderous attacks you are fond of, some to try and bring help to our business, some created out of frustration and protest. All water under the bridge at this point Joe. Mike and I have an understanding and so far I feel that I am living up to it.

It may frustrate you that you cannot get rid of me and that your friend Dave Wilson can't get rid of me. I feel for you since I have been such a thorn in your side for so long. I have stubbornly refused to roll over for you and that has to upset you on some level.

But in fact it's you who have consistently lied and embellished to bolster your points. Which is understandable when you don't have any actual proof you simply have to make things up. It's ok though, I understand now that this is simply part of who you are. I understand that I have to live with it and that you have essentially carte' blanche' from Dave Wilson to attack me whichever way you want to. As I said before when you do it then it's simply a way for me to show pretty pictures in response.

Like this one.

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Best part being that even with your self-proclaimed expertise you can't even tell the forum what's good about this case.
 
Let me tell you something John, if there was a poll for the AZ Cuedealer of the year, and I found out that Jamie or Don Sherman or whoever went out and solicited votes, or one of their customers did, do you know what I would say?

BFD = Big Effin Deal. Do you know why? Because I am not that insecure in what I do to worry about a popularity contest vote of this nature. If I got no votes and they got 50, good for them. Would I then go back and get "snarky" with their supporter, NO. I would actually send him a note saying "Well played"..

JV (---thinks JB is jealous that he didn't think of using his many alias' to swing the vote. But I wouldn't be surprised if the vote was public to see that be the case.
 
wow...
patriotism to its extreme...

get a life dude...
this is he 21st century.....even i have internet n can read the shit ur saying...and i live in indonesia..
what a shame for all the great american people to read what u are posting as a defence to ur country when the main issue aint about anything like that...
if ur president actualy saw this..i would guess u wouldnt allowed a pasport to exit the country! really bad..bad..taste..n bad words..

the wedge case interior is made in CHINA! u idiot!
 
I advocate anything and everything that makes the US stronger. Sorry, thats the patriot in me, just like its the capitalist in you to be in China. Stop the victim card, you reap what you sow.

I stop short at genocide. You don't. You are reaping what you have sown. You said you would gladly kill ten million chinese people in order to have full employment in the USA. I won't let you forget you said it.

More my style.. funny, no one ever accused me of doing that, or threatening someone with the destruction of his business by making knock offs in China, or being accused of, well.. I can't say it its so heinous. so JB be careful where you step.

Be careful of where I step? I am accusing you of doing it constantly because you have tried your best to discredit me for years. Then at shows you act as though we are old friends. Then a week later you are back to lying and attacking me. I have nothing to fear from you Joe.

Who are you to say he is charging much more than its worth? You cannot be serious, when its YOU that puts about 100 dollars into a 1200 dollar custom case, or 40 bucks into a Fellini copy, and retail them for 300/400, and you want to make that claim about Wedge. How dare you, that in a nutshell is why people come after you. Who the F**k are you to determine that market value? This ain't China where the labor is exploited. He can ask whatever he wants, just like you can.

That is my opinion. It is my opinion that rigging the results of a pool to get an award does not justify an $800ish premium over the retail.

It is my belief that Wedge is trying to use the Case of the Year title to convince prospective buyers that the case is now worth even more than Jack charged for it. Anyone can read this for themselves here:
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=304590

Now you're trying to ruin the guys sale, you're just a shining piece of work ain't you? And you're not jealous, yeah ok.

JV

First there was no sale. None of the fish took Wedge's bait. Secondly I am not the one who decided to make this a public spectacle. Wedge did. I made my comment to him privately and he could have and should have left it at that.

So let's not turn things around here Joe. Wedge is the one who gamed the votes. This whole thing lies with his actions not mine.

I held a poll to showcase the incredible case making talent we are all fortunate to have today. I expected it to be fun and drama free. Wedge created drama with his campaigning that I suspect a lot more people knew about and were upset with well before I was told about it. So as much as you would love to make this about me, it's about gaming the system unfairly and the fact that many people weren't happy about it.
 
Let me tell you something John, if there was a poll for the AZ Cuedealer of the year, and I found out that Jamie or Don Sherman or whoever went out and solicited votes, or one of their customers did, do you know what I would say?

BFD = Big Effin Deal. Do you know why? Because I am not that insecure in what I do to worry about a popularity contest vote of this nature. If I got no votes and they got 50, good for them. Would I then go back and get "snarky" with their supporter, NO. I would actually send him a note saying "Well played"..

JV (---thinks JB is jealous that he didn't think of using his many alias' to swing the vote. But I wouldn't be surprised if the vote was public to see that be the case.

Yes, Joe, I am sure if the shoe was on the other foot and it was me who rigged the votes by begging lots of people to push my case to the number one position you would have simply said, "well played".

Should we do a poll on how many of the readers believe that?

I didn't get snarky with a "supporter". I made my comment directly to the person who artificially inflated the vote to push his case into the number one spot. He is the perpetrator not a supporter.

If it's all no big deal then why are you here in the thread?
 
See John, you're wrong again about the series of events. You need to reread what you posted and what I posted and when it occured. Did I say that yes, AFTER you went off about your cases which was supposedly because I slighted your cases in my first post, which if you can read it it slowly.. doesn't even broach the subject. Which is what you said. Now I am telling you, YOU are the one typing with hatred, because you cannot even bring yourself to study the facts when you type a retort. So yes, everything evolved because you either misread the first post OR you saw it was me and with psychopathic anger, just assumed it was a slight and you decided to fire away. But really what got you, was my praise of Jack, wasn't it?

BTW its not defamation of character if its the truth, now is it. There are volumes that can be printed to show this very behavoir, we both know it. As far as getting rid of you, what fun would that be. You're no thorn in my side. But the playing field should be level and the forum should know that you have been afforded multiple alias' many times with little if any reprecussions.

JV

Not to worry Joe, if you didn't lie about me here then you lied plenty elsewhere. Oh wait here you said that I am just upset because my case didn't win. That's wrong and isn't technically a lie just an incorrect assumption.

Then you said that I put Jiasen in business. That is a lie because you know very well, being the astute follower of my work that you are, that I worked with an already established Jiasen to help them become better case makers.

Then you put me down several times, called me names like nutcase and psychotic and now "biggest liar in the business." Which is defamation of character Joe.

As for multiple aliases, is this your platform now? Yes I have had many accounts on here for various reasons. Some out of a need to have a private identity free from the type of slanderous attacks you are fond of, some to try and bring help to our business, some created out of frustration and protest. All water under the bridge at this point Joe. Mike and I have an understanding and so far I feel that I am living up to it.

It may frustrate you that you cannot get rid of me and that your friend Dave Wilson can't get rid of me. I feel for you since I have been such a thorn in your side for so long. I have stubbornly refused to roll over for you and that has to upset you on some level.

But in fact it's you who have consistently lied and embellished to bolster your points. Which is understandable when you don't have any actual proof you simply have to make things up. It's ok though, I understand now that this is simply part of who you are. I understand that I have to live with it and that you have essentially carte' blanche' from Dave Wilson to attack me whichever way you want to. As I said before when you do it then it's simply a way for me to show pretty pictures in response.

Like this one.

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Best part being that even with your self-proclaimed expertise you can't even tell the forum what's good about this case.
 
Yes, Joe, I am sure if the shoe was on the other foot and it was me who rigged the votes by begging lots of people to push my case to the number one position you would have simply said, "well played".

Should we do a poll on how many of the readers believe that?

I didn't get snarky with a "supporter". I made my comment directly to the person who artificially inflated the vote to push his case into the number one spot. He is the perpetrator not a supporter.

If it's all no big deal then why are you here in the thread?

But the difference is Jack didn't do it. See here you say YOU are going to do it, Jack didn't do it. He is Jacks supporter, thats why a Justis won. I voted for the other Justis, so shows what I know.

It is no big deal, if it happened to me.

JV
 
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