john schmidt said:
TAR can call this the ALL-ALL-ALL Around Action challenge.
John Schmidt/Shane Van Boening Vs. Quintan Hann????
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TAR can call this the ALL-ALL-ALL Around Action challenge.
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Current score: John 5 - Loudmouth wanker 1
Doug
john schmidt said:
Current score: John 5 - Loudmouth wanker 1
Doug
Fairness
I generally like John's gamesmanship and his usually quiet attitude; this is very suprising. There have been jabs from both ends here and need to lighten quite a bit.
It is not fair for John to play snooker, nor for Quinten to play 9 ball (or any rotation game for that matter). Were John not so adept at straight pool, this might be a fair game.
As it stands, it is obvious that 8 ball is the most fair between the two (which John does not want to play). The only other option would be two disciplines (one of John's choosing, one of Quinten's) which would likely end in a tie and be totally fruitless.
The only option I see that might be acceptable would be to widen the match-up to more events such as two of John's choosing and two of Quinten's. This could be a winner-takes-all match decided by total number of games won. This is how I would see the disciplines:
Snooker (race to 10)
Straight pool (race to 10 games to 100)
UK 8 ball (race to 30)
9 ball (race to 30)
I don't believe this would ever happen, but is the only thing I could see as fair since John doesn't believe 8 ball would be.
Or.... Quinten can get in the box with the great American hope, SVB and play 8 ball for whatever he wants most likely.
I generally like John's gamesmanship and his usually quiet attitude; this is very suprising. There have been jabs from both ends here and need to lighten quite a bit.
It is not fair for John to play snooker, nor for Quinten to play 9 ball (or any rotation game for that matter). Were John not so adept at straight pool, this might be a fair game.
As it stands, it is obvious that 8 ball is the most fair between the two (which John does not want to play). The only other option would be two disciplines (one of John's choosing, one of Quinten's) which would likely end in a tie and be totally fruitless.
The only option I see that might be acceptable would be to widen the match-up to more events such as two of John's choosing and two of Quinten's. This could be a winner-takes-all match decided by total number of games won. This is how I would see the disciplines:
Snooker (race to 10)
Straight pool (race to 10 games to 100)
UK 8 ball (race to 30)
9 ball (race to 30)
I don't believe this would ever happen, but is the only thing I could see as fair since John doesn't believe 8 ball would be.
Or.... Quinten can get in the box with the great American hope, SVB and play 8 ball for whatever he wants most likely.
Personally i dont know Quentin but he was somewhat notorious on the circuit. I've heard many a story of his antics from professionals that crossed paths with him. The pure balls of half the stuff Ive heard is actually really funny, he's pushes peoples noses out of joint with his attitude and i know a few who would love to knock him out and a few who love him for it! Some of his personality traits are that of a champion and others of a rogue. We're not judging him on a personality contest tho. I would judge him by what he can do on a table. Put a cue in this quentin's hand and put a big enough fish in front of him to get him practicing and he'll do damage, simple as! Thats whats pretty much whats happening on here, y'all giving him the ammo to fire him up!!
In relation to the purposed match i think 8balls the fairest test because its basically putting both race horses on an even track! Im pretty certain that schimdt would win the 9ball comfortably, but not as easy as quentin would walk the snooker thats my opinion.
its up too Mr schmidt to accept Mr Hann's 30k (pocket change) 8ball challenge if not we'll never know!
peace R114
In relation to the purposed match i think 8balls the fairest test because its basically putting both race horses on an even track! Im pretty certain that schimdt would win the 9ball comfortably, but not as easy as quentin would walk the snooker thats my opinion.
its up too Mr schmidt to accept Mr Hann's 30k (pocket change) 8ball challenge if not we'll never know!
peace R114
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What about Bumper Pool? Would this be neutral territory?
i've got to admit I don't buy the whole "8-ball would be the fairest match-up" argument. the trouble with eight ball is it's the great equalizer between the two. it takes away a lot of the strengths of john's and is more about patterns and playing the balls in the right order. which would put the ball in quentin's court being as he is a reasonably experienced eight-baller and john doesn't even like the game, let alone even play it.
way i see it is quentin is coming to john with the shit talking about how he is just an average pro etc etc, yet when it comes to challenging him won't admit he is scared to play him at john's best game. 9-ball.
john has already admitted he couldn't beat quentin at snooker, why doesn't quentin just admit he can't compete at nine ball or step up and play him. i agree with john it's silly to play eight ball. it takes away a lot of john's strengths and it's probably quentin's best game.
way i see it is quentin is coming to john with the shit talking about how he is just an average pro etc etc, yet when it comes to challenging him won't admit he is scared to play him at john's best game. 9-ball.
john has already admitted he couldn't beat quentin at snooker, why doesn't quentin just admit he can't compete at nine ball or step up and play him. i agree with john it's silly to play eight ball. it takes away a lot of john's strengths and it's probably quentin's best game.
I would def pay for watching this on ppv, so hopefully it will happen 
Not so many years ago O'Sullivan finished second in Europe's biggest 9-ball tournament, Weert Open.
I don't think Hann would do bad in 9-ball, but it is unfair since he has almost never played it.
Snooker is obviously bad action for John, just like 14-1, one-pocket etc. is for Hann.
They are both familiar with 8-ball, even though John has got more experience than Hann.
If we look through all the namecalling (which would have got other members banned), Hann has put up a fair offer for John, a race in 8-ball for 30,000$.
I believe John would be the favourite in this match-up, especially in a long race, but it looks like John will not accept the offer.
Not so many years ago O'Sullivan finished second in Europe's biggest 9-ball tournament, Weert Open.
I don't think Hann would do bad in 9-ball, but it is unfair since he has almost never played it.
Snooker is obviously bad action for John, just like 14-1, one-pocket etc. is for Hann.
They are both familiar with 8-ball, even though John has got more experience than Hann.
If we look through all the namecalling (which would have got other members banned), Hann has put up a fair offer for John, a race in 8-ball for 30,000$.
I believe John would be the favourite in this match-up, especially in a long race, but it looks like John will not accept the offer.
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ive thought about this thing with quintenn and i think i will have to rely on something that someone alot wiser than me taught me long ago.that is treat others as you would like to be treated. instead of the bickering and trying to degrade each other i will say this last thing .quintenn is a champion and so am i .if we play any game im sure it will be exciting.that being said at the end of my career i want to be remembered as a decent guy who tried his best to respect others.i know it would be more exciting if i acted like a 12 year old and made challenges to fight and play pool for big money etc etc.in the end i would like to think im above all that negative talk and just want to try and squeek out a living at pool and basically get along with people.im very lucky to have alot of friends in pool and a great team behind me of obcues and my girl racheal.ive learned that almost anybody has good in them if you look closely. that includes quintenn.dont get me wrong i will still play him pool .afterwards win or lose i will have respect for his game and maybe even be able to see eye to eye with him .
ive thought about this thing with quintenn and i think i will have to rely on something that someone alot wiser than me taught me long ago.that is treat others as you would like to be treated. instead of the bickering and trying to degrade each other i will say this last thing .quintenn is a champion and so am i .if we play any game im sure it will be exciting.that being said at the end of my career i want to be remembered as a decent guy who tried his best to respect others.i know it would be more exciting if i acted like a 12 year old and made challenges to fight and play pool for big money etc etc.in the end i would like to think im above all that negative talk and just want to try and squeek out a living at pool and basically get along with people.im very lucky to have alot of friends in pool and a great team behind me of obcues and my girl racheal.ive learned that almost anybody has good in them if you look closely. that includes quintenn.dont get me wrong i will still play him pool .afterwards win or lose i will have respect for his game and maybe even be able to see eye to eye with him .
john schmidt said:
so no 10K fight?
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After the match,
corvette1340 said:so no 10K fight?
After the match,
Well ok worriedbeef you do have a small point there and il conceide that, but you could put it the other way round if john wasnt just an average pro and a top professional(like he is) he might actually want to challenge himself & play quentin at 8ball which most people seem to agree is even ground for the two! Or quentin could practice extremely hard for four months and play 9ball but as he said he doesnt have the time to practice, i do think that if he was to do this he'd give john a huge run for his money off scratch!
Onto playing patterns wat the F**k do you know, its not rocket science you choose a route that makes the finish easy that might mean taking a hard ball first in order to accomplish that simple route! now john is an extremely capable 14-1 player which is all about taking the balls out in the right order, it jus means if he's mess's up position in the 8ball he wont have another easy option or possibly another route to take them out. Or possibly he's actually admiting that he cant play the game to a high level hense the reason he doesnt bother playing it too much!!!!
Now if your saying that snooker helps in those playing patterns i beg to differ if you watch ronnie o'sulivan on the ipt his playing patterns were f**king awful and hes an amazing snooker player, he was making things alot harder than there needed to be! if anything snooker would help in 14-1 Now if you were to watch the likes of any of the uk8ball pros (eg appleton, boyes) when they played on the ipt their playing patterns were brilliant because the finishes were pretty much exactly as what they'd do in uk8ball. Now the arguement is quentin did do rather well when he did enter the world 8ball champs(english style) yrs & yrs ago so does this put him at an unfair advantage!!!!
I do think quentin slaging off was a bit over the top about saying about the standard of pool professionals being shit as they do deserve respect, but coming from a snooker backround i can completely understand it because as cueists in general snooker players a far better than pool players!
My personal opinion was If a world class snooker player decided to dedicate his time soley to practicing american pool then that player would certainly do damage where as i dont think many if any professional pool player would be able to do the same if they were to dedicate there time soley to snooker and i think that what was what Mr hann might of been trying to say but i could be wrong, hes different to me!
This isnt an attack on john schimdt, my personal opinion from watching the clips of you playing pool you wouldnt have what it takes to be a world class snooker player even if you started at 10 let alone 18!! I will say your a very very good professional pool player & must have talent to hit tons in snooker also from posts in this forum your a well liked guy and a respected professional that side of the pond but youve lowered yourself to bring up lame attacks about mistakes another guys made in the past.
Oh and to let all the americans know there are thousands upon thousands of players in the uk let alone in the world that have knocked in multiple centries time after time and still have never made it!
Lets hope all the arguing stops and something can be agreed so these to can play!
Peace R114
Onto playing patterns wat the F**k do you know, its not rocket science you choose a route that makes the finish easy that might mean taking a hard ball first in order to accomplish that simple route! now john is an extremely capable 14-1 player which is all about taking the balls out in the right order, it jus means if he's mess's up position in the 8ball he wont have another easy option or possibly another route to take them out. Or possibly he's actually admiting that he cant play the game to a high level hense the reason he doesnt bother playing it too much!!!!
Now if your saying that snooker helps in those playing patterns i beg to differ if you watch ronnie o'sulivan on the ipt his playing patterns were f**king awful and hes an amazing snooker player, he was making things alot harder than there needed to be! if anything snooker would help in 14-1 Now if you were to watch the likes of any of the uk8ball pros (eg appleton, boyes) when they played on the ipt their playing patterns were brilliant because the finishes were pretty much exactly as what they'd do in uk8ball. Now the arguement is quentin did do rather well when he did enter the world 8ball champs(english style) yrs & yrs ago so does this put him at an unfair advantage!!!!
I do think quentin slaging off was a bit over the top about saying about the standard of pool professionals being shit as they do deserve respect, but coming from a snooker backround i can completely understand it because as cueists in general snooker players a far better than pool players!
My personal opinion was If a world class snooker player decided to dedicate his time soley to practicing american pool then that player would certainly do damage where as i dont think many if any professional pool player would be able to do the same if they were to dedicate there time soley to snooker and i think that what was what Mr hann might of been trying to say but i could be wrong, hes different to me!
This isnt an attack on john schimdt, my personal opinion from watching the clips of you playing pool you wouldnt have what it takes to be a world class snooker player even if you started at 10 let alone 18!! I will say your a very very good professional pool player & must have talent to hit tons in snooker also from posts in this forum your a well liked guy and a respected professional that side of the pond but youve lowered yourself to bring up lame attacks about mistakes another guys made in the past.
Oh and to let all the americans know there are thousands upon thousands of players in the uk let alone in the world that have knocked in multiple centries time after time and still have never made it!
Lets hope all the arguing stops and something can be agreed so these to can play!
Peace R114
Smorgass Bored said:If they have any balls at all, they'll stop eating their soup with their spoons upside down.....
Bring ALL their CA$H and put it up on Buttooth's Keno board.
Doug
(I just want to see the FIGHT )
I heard his was confisctaed or something.........
luckily I have one that can be used!
I might even have a quarter!lol
Nice to hear John get things civil again.
Hitting a ton a snooker doesnt mean you could be a pro, go to any snooker club in the UK and there will be 10 - 20 players in the club who can and do hit tones... most of them have played alot of snooker...however on the Pro Snooker tables, cloth is lighting quick, pockets tighter than a crabs arse and a heck of alot of pressure.
Hitting a ton a snooker doesnt mean you could be a pro, go to any snooker club in the UK and there will be 10 - 20 players in the club who can and do hit tones... most of them have played alot of snooker...however on the Pro Snooker tables, cloth is lighting quick, pockets tighter than a crabs arse and a heck of alot of pressure.
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Ive been keeping my eye on this thread and have revisited it several times for updates.
I'll make a disclaimer before I start that I consider myself to be friends with John, and have always found him to be a gentleman when interacting with me. with that said, I also feel that this discussion has been everything BUT fair, for both parties.
I dont know quentin personally, but i know a fair bit about him, and know a little about his playing ability through Thorsten. Its innacurate to say Thorsten was afraid of quentin during his IPT match, but rather displayed his usual respectful interaction with all players he is unfamiliar with. afterwards, though, he did identify quentin as a very talented and capable player.
I'd like to suggest that any talk of bolt cutters, fist fights and after match brawls is wholly innapropriate and does nothing to further the overall image of cue sports.
As far as any personal attacks on anyones character, this also doesnt belong in the equation. One doesnt have to look far in the world of pool to find far worse, and even those that have been convicted of felonies and done hard time. I agree john, your comments as such deserved an apology, and without dissappointing, and more importantly, without being told to, you gave a public apology and for that I applaud you. Thats the John I know and admire.
With regards to any possible match up, I think it's fair to acknowledge that both players come from a VERY different playing background. John has as little chance to beat quentin playing snooker as quentin does playing 9 ball.
as has been stated, if a game is to be made, it can only be 8 ball. it seems to me that both players have had very little experience playing american 8 ball, a fact that favors neither.
Id also mention, that if John is being honest here, he should recognize that his skills in straight pool, and he is arguable one of the best in the world, gives him an advantage in this game.
It is ridiculous to read some responses from some posters. Those that insist on seeing them play 9 ball, or even straight pool, have no interest in seeing a fair match, just seeing one player rob the other. one genius wrote that by not playing 9 ball, john would lose his advantage. Really??? whats fair in that? Why not give John the breaks too???
All I am saying is that if there is to be a fair game, then its already been proposed. If anyone is looking for the nuts, make a different game, but don't call it an even, fair match.
For John, good luck in whatever you decide. I'll be pulling for you.
Randy
I'll make a disclaimer before I start that I consider myself to be friends with John, and have always found him to be a gentleman when interacting with me. with that said, I also feel that this discussion has been everything BUT fair, for both parties.
I dont know quentin personally, but i know a fair bit about him, and know a little about his playing ability through Thorsten. Its innacurate to say Thorsten was afraid of quentin during his IPT match, but rather displayed his usual respectful interaction with all players he is unfamiliar with. afterwards, though, he did identify quentin as a very talented and capable player.
I'd like to suggest that any talk of bolt cutters, fist fights and after match brawls is wholly innapropriate and does nothing to further the overall image of cue sports.
As far as any personal attacks on anyones character, this also doesnt belong in the equation. One doesnt have to look far in the world of pool to find far worse, and even those that have been convicted of felonies and done hard time. I agree john, your comments as such deserved an apology, and without dissappointing, and more importantly, without being told to, you gave a public apology and for that I applaud you. Thats the John I know and admire.
With regards to any possible match up, I think it's fair to acknowledge that both players come from a VERY different playing background. John has as little chance to beat quentin playing snooker as quentin does playing 9 ball.
as has been stated, if a game is to be made, it can only be 8 ball. it seems to me that both players have had very little experience playing american 8 ball, a fact that favors neither.
Id also mention, that if John is being honest here, he should recognize that his skills in straight pool, and he is arguable one of the best in the world, gives him an advantage in this game.
It is ridiculous to read some responses from some posters. Those that insist on seeing them play 9 ball, or even straight pool, have no interest in seeing a fair match, just seeing one player rob the other. one genius wrote that by not playing 9 ball, john would lose his advantage. Really??? whats fair in that? Why not give John the breaks too???
All I am saying is that if there is to be a fair game, then its already been proposed. If anyone is looking for the nuts, make a different game, but don't call it an even, fair match.
For John, good luck in whatever you decide. I'll be pulling for you.
Randy
iba7467 said:
I ran 154 one time but I was really in the zone that day. My next best run is a 16.
iba7467 said:
it's like you've just written a biography of my straight pool career.
iba7467 said:
Last year I had the pleasure of practicing against a top 16 player, while i was staying in that area, I have a highest break of 144 & to be honest in a match situation would not come close to that level consistantly. Massive difference in standard and I was simply amazed at how simple he made the game look. I personally felt i probably learnt more in those sessions than the previous 10 yrs of playing!