John Schmidt/Shane Van Boening Vs. Quintan Hann????

[worriedbeef]

Well ok worriedbeef you do have a small point there and il conceide that, but you could put it the other way round if john wasnt just an average pro and a top professional(like he is) he might actually want to challenge himself & play quentin at 8ball which most people seem to agree is even ground for the two! Or quentin could practice extremely hard for four months and play 9ball but as he said he doesnt have the time to practice, i do think that if he was to do this he'd give john a huge run for his money off scratch!

Onto playing patterns wat the F**k do you know, its not rocket science you choose a route that makes the finish easy that might mean taking a hard ball first in order to accomplish that simple route! now john is an extremely capable 14-1 player which is all about taking the balls out in the right order, it jus means if he's mess's up position in the 8ball he wont have another easy option or possibly another route to take them out. Or possibly he's actually admiting that he cant play the game to a high level hense the reason he doesnt bother playing it too much!!!!

Now if your saying that snooker helps in those playing patterns i beg to differ if you watch ronnie o'sulivan on the ipt his playing patterns were f**king awful and hes an amazing snooker player, he was making things alot harder than there needed to be! if anything snooker would help in 14-1 Now if you were to watch the likes of any of the uk8ball pros (eg appleton, boyes) when they played on the ipt their playing patterns were brilliant because the finishes were pretty much exactly as what they'd do in uk8ball. Now the arguement is quentin did do rather well when he did enter the world 8ball champs(english style) yrs & yrs ago so does this put him at an unfair advantage!!!!

I do think quentin slaging off was a bit over the top about saying about the standard of pool professionals being shit as they do deserve respect, but coming from a snooker backround i can completely understand it because as cueists in general snooker players a far better than pool players!

My personal opinion was If a world class snooker player decided to dedicate his time soley to practicing american pool then that player would certainly do damage where as i dont think many if any professional pool player would be able to do the same if they were to dedicate there time soley to snooker and i think that what was what Mr hann might of been trying to say but i could be wrong, hes different to me!

This isnt an attack on john schimdt, my personal opinion from watching the clips of you playing pool you wouldnt have what it takes to be a world class snooker player even if you started at 10 let alone 18!! I will say your a very very good professional pool player & must have talent to hit tons in snooker also from posts in this forum your a well liked guy and a respected professional that side of the pond but youve lowered yourself to bring up lame attacks about mistakes another guys made in the past.
Oh and to let all the americans know there are thousands upon thousands of players in the uk let alone in the world that have knocked in multiple centries time after time and still have never made it!

Lets hope all the arguing stops and something can be agreed so these to can play!

Peace R114

you end your post with 'peace' and multiple times you stress that you want the arguing and bad tone to stop, yet you respond to a perfectly legitimate and reasonable point i made about 8-ball patterns with "what the f**k do you know?"???

have you got some multiple personality disorder or something???

one genius wrote that by not playing 9 ball, john would lose his advantage. Really??? whats fair in that? Why not give John the breaks too???

you're kind of missing the point in what I am saying. in my opinion 8-ball kind of negates a lot of the strengths that pool players have that snooker players don't. this becomes relevant because Quentin has come on here dismissing john's talent and ability yet wants to play him at the game where half of his pool skills are not required, and the main element is pattern play in a game which is probably quentin's strength. he has played 8-ball extensively, won a few tournaments, and grew up playing it all the time.

it kind of makes the challenge and s**t talking to john a bit pointless if he won't play john at his best game when he's implying that he could beat him at it "if he could be bothered to practice"...

in my view an eight ball match would be meaningless.

 

[JoeyA]

I ran 154 one time but I was really in the zone that day. My next best run is a 16.

You got me beat. The best that I was ever able to come with on the natural was 105. I did that on a Honda 750 with no helmet and no glasses. It brought tears to my eyes.
JoeyA

 

[JoeyA]

Ive been keeping my eye on this thread and have revisited it several times for updates.


With regards to any possible match up, I think it's fair to acknowledge that both players come from a VERY different playing background. John has as little chance to beat quentin playing snooker as quentin does playing 9 ball.


Randy

I think Quinten said he couldn't compete with John because of the break in 9 Ball. Perhaps he would think differently if the game were 10 ball.

Even another consideration is alternating breaks. There's lots of room to negotiate and put things on an even playing field. I have come to learn that 9 ball is an athletic game and the game requires many different skills. It is not as easy as some are want to think it is.

I think 9 ball will bring out the best player, period. That being said, Quinten doesn't want any part of that and that's fair enough.

How about some 10 ball alternating breaks? That's a whole different game than 9 ball.

JoeyA

 

[ShootingArts]

Rotation?

It is not fair for John to play snooker, nor for Quinten to play 9 ball (or any rotation game for that matter). Were John not so adept at straight pool, this might be a fair game.

Just curious, why would rotation be unfair? Every snooker game is finished off by running six balls in rotation.

I don't think it will ever be big on television but I would like to see some 12 or 15 ball rotation and I think it would challenge both of them. Fifteen ball surely gives a snooker player a chance to shine and I think John can handle it too.

Hu

 

[Reaper114]

i've got to admit I don't buy the whole "8-ball would be the fairest match-up" argument. the trouble with eight ball is it's the great equalizer between the two. it takes away a lot of the strengths of john's and is more about patterns and playing the balls in the right order. which would put the ball in quentin's court being as he is a reasonably experienced eight-baller and john doesn't even like the game, let alone even play it.

way i see it is quentin is coming to john with the shit talking about how he is just an average pro etc etc, yet when it comes to challenging him won't admit he is scared to play him at john's best game. 9-ball.

john has already admitted he couldn't beat quentin at snooker, why doesn't quentin just admit he can't compete at nine ball or step up and play him. i agree with john it's silly to play eight ball. it takes away a lot of john's strengths and it's probably quentin's best game.

Right im sorry for swearing we'll get that out of the way now!
yeah maybe quentin should play john at 9ball cause he chatted shit about him & only calling him an average pro! Quentin calls it how he see's it thats his opinion and entitled to it. sparked one hell of a reaction in john didnt it!! I personally dont think john would beat half the pontins tour players at snooker for money but thats another topic!
if quentin was to practice for four months solid and in a race to say 25 or 35 at 9ball id put my money on quentin how ever mad that sounds to everyone!

But like quentin said he's out there for a few weeks he's gonna pick up a brand new cue and will practice out there for the match!
I think he's trying to get the fairest contest for himself given that will be the situation! I dont know many pro's in the world who would be that confident and have the balls to lay down 30k of their on money playing with a new cue only two weeks old to them, on foreign soil.

what i was trying to point out to yourself (worriedbeef) is that snookers playing paterns are more simular to that of 14-1 than that of taking finishes out and granted those paterns do help but its not gonna help as much as playing 14-1 on an american pool table.

Now the fact that your saying johns strengths will be removed are bullshit in reality the only thing playing 8ball away will take away from john is that 9ball break where u make 2 or 3 balls leave 6 up thanks for the dollies bye bye rack lets start another! Now in 9ball the most important thing is the break! So the only real advantage john would be losing is that the consistancy of his break in 9ball is better than quentins!! Thats it and id concede jump shots too to j schmidt!

A player of johns calliber should definately be able to transfer the routes that come from potting balls in sequencual order in 9ball to 8ball only difference is you just have to deal with other balls in the way and as u dont have to pot them in sequence its just about working out a route!! Which is exactly the same for quentin!!

Now in 14-1 john is probably one of the best in the world and is constantly using playing paterns to break out balls and then get position for a break ball to make high runs! now thats probably the best practice game for american 8ball the only difference is that in 8ball you can only use a few balls to break out bad balls and you have to make sure youve got good position/shape in order to finish them!

but your basically saying that 8ball would be more suited to quentin game which i disagree with when he's basically only really dabbled into the game in previous years a few tournaments here and there! Now lets face it snooker made up 99% of his professional career and guess what that was played on a 12 by 6foot snooker table that compared to johns 100% professional career on american pool tables where he has only dabbled in a few 8ball tourneys. who's really got the advantage!!!

hmmmmmmmmm. Clueless is all il say!!

R114

 

[iba7467]

Just curious, why would rotation be unfair? Every snooker game is finished off by running six balls in rotation.

I don't think it will ever be big on television but I would like to see some 12 or 15 ball rotation and I think it would challenge both of them. Fifteen ball surely gives a snooker player a chance to shine and I think John can handle it too.

Hu

Just from my limited experience. Snooker is comprised of a minimum of 36 shots. 30 alternate from one of 15 reds to any numbered ball. The final six are then shot in order on a snooker table. Simple math says that in every game Quinten played less than 17% were shot in numerical sequence. John on the other hand at a minimum divides his time between straight pool and nine ball, meaning that 50% of the shots he takes (more if he practices more 9 ball for tournaments and gambling) are in numerical sequence. Not to mention that John has practiced almost solely on the equipment to be used in such a challenge.

This is just my reasoning, but I believe it to be true.

 

[memikey]

.......Not to mention that John has practiced almost solely on the equipment to be used in such a challenge.

This is just my reasoning, but I believe it to be true.

This has surely got to be by a long way the most relevant factor in this equation as far as a Schmidt/Hann match goes.

It seems to be getting a little bit glossed over but what we are talking about in Hann is someone who had never played any type of pocket billiard game at all on American pool tables apart from a few hours 8 ball practice prior to the IPT followed by a few hours on the tables during the IPT..........and furthermore those IPT tables/cloths/rules weren't even of the standard American variety that would almost certainly be used in any money match, so in many ways he really has zero experience on American equipment. He also hasn't even touched a cue or a pool/snooker table in over 2 years since IPT.

Setting aside how much anyone likes or dislikes Hann's approach and attitude to this subject and trying to be as objective as we can be isn't it at least fairly brave of anyone with such limited playing experience on American equipment to even think about taking on a US Open Champion and battle hardened pro who has been playing umpteen hours a week on that equipment for several unbroken years.........even if it is at 8 ball?

 

[chamillionare]

actually some common sense from lots of people here, most might not agree with the things iv said about john but im being honest about his abilities in my mind. and hell some of the things said about me here were way wrong.

just some more of my thoughts
i think im 80% fav at long race at 8 ball
i think im 60 fav at 9 ball
10 ball i never played but with a week in philipines which is were ill go before playing john i fancy being at worst 55% fav
maybe staright pool is 50 50 cause he is apparently so good but to be truthful i really dont think he is top class like alot of other pros i have seen and i only ever saw him play a few frames on mosconi cup and to me he looked like a twitcher and under under pressure he will fold most of the time.

now everyone will ask me why dont you play these other games well if i want to gamble at 60-40 or 55-45% ill play poker i dont have to practise i dont have to travel i dont have to put up with all the bs i get in pool. if someone wants to put up money for an all round challenge then fine ill kick in 10 or 20g. but im not going to play a game i never played before even when i think im still a slight fav because im not a biliards player i dont play anymore i dont even really want to that much.


someone else suggested another challenge 2 of johns games 2 of mine why not 3 of johns game 2 of mine maybe 8/9/10 ball on american tables and snooker and english 8 ball.

all im saying here is with cues and a sticks there is no comparison between him and me i got more talent in my big toe

 

[Reaper114]

i can remember being told about 7 or 8 years ago that quentin was wasting his talent as he had supposidly pretty much stopped practicing and was only putting in about 4 hours practice a week insted of 6-8 hours a day like other top pros. If what i was told was the truth then its kinda shows how much talent he did pocess and also what a waste of what he could have been.

 

[JoeyA]

Hann vs. Schmidt

i can remember being told about 7 or 8 years ago that quentin was wasting his talent as he had supposidly pretty much stopped practicing and was only putting in about 4 hours practice a week insted of 6-8 hours a day like other top pros. If what i was told was the truth then its kinda shows how much talent he did pocess and also what a waste of what he could have been.

Well, Quinten may or may not be a talent at pool. It's obvious that he can play snooker. If he really is as talented at pool as he says he is, he should knock off some of that rust and make a pool game that John will play and get it on.

I like moxy.
I like a competitive spirit.
I like a little boasting. (there's been more than enough by both).
I like a good talker and both John and Quinten are pretty good at talking.
But talk is just talk and right now, that's all I see. (Quinten's talk kind of reminds me of THE GINGERBREAD MAN).

I hope Quinten will let his cue stick do the talking. This is one match that I would definitely watch in person, providing its on the weekend.
JoeyA

 

[smashmouth]

imo John's doing his best to back out of a match in a big way

Quinten is willing to cross a continent and play a world class pool player in his own back yard

I see 8 ball as a very reasonable request

 

[smashmouth]

actually a great 8 ball match right now would be Quentin vs Mark Selby

 

[JoeyA]

actually a great 8 ball match right now would be Quentin vs Mark Selby

I'd like to see Quinten play Reid Pierce a nice long set of anything pool related. I'd even watch that match on a bar box.
JoeyA

 

[fdambi]

Hang on a second here....

actually some common sense from lots of people here, most might not agree with the things iv said about john but im being honest about his abilities in my mind. and hell some of the things said about me here were way wrong.
just some more of my thoughts
i think im 80% fav at long race at 8 ball
i think im 60 fav at 9 ball
10 ball i never played but with a week in philipines which is were ill go before playing john i fancy being at worst 55% fav
maybe staright pool is 50 50 cause he is apparently so good but to be truthful i really dont think he is top class like alot of other pros i have seen and i only ever saw him play a few frames on mosconi cup and to me he looked like a twitcher and under under pressure he will fold most of the time.
now everyone will ask me why dont you play these other games well if i want to gamble at 60-40 or 55-45% ill play poker i dont have to practise i dont have to travel i dont have to put up with all the bs i get in pool. if someone wants to put up money for an all round challenge then fine ill kick in 10 or 20g. but im not going to play a game i never played before even when i think im still a slight fav because im not a biliards player i dont play anymore i dont even really want to that much.
someone else suggested another challenge 2 of johns games 2 of mine why not 3 of johns game 2 of mine maybe 8/9/10 ball on american tables and snooker and english 8 ball.
all im saying here is with cues and a sticks there is no comparison between him and me i got more talent in my big toe

(Quinten, I think opening up more discussion about other games between the two of you is a waste of time. I think a challenge match playing 9-ball is a game that heavily favors John because he is a US-Open Champion, especially since you're not seasoned having not played much in the past 2 years and also because you couldn't pick the game up in a week or a month. Your kicking game, billiard game, and position play need more than a week of practice at 9-ball to beat someone like John. In 9-ball he probably knows 2 shots for every 1 shot you know, and you're a fool if you think you understand the game the way he does without a background in 9-ball. In snooker, you would beat John up and be a heavy favorite because you are quite a bit more talented than you ever showed during your short career, and John couldn't see that coming. That would be can of whoop ass, and not all that fair, despite whatever John may say to the contrary. There is know way he could know the game the way you do Quinten. The game of 8-ball would be good for John because of his straight pool game, and working through heavy clusters and traffic, and his rotation game. With a few weeks of practice at it, he'd be at a world level, so it's a great game for John. Alcano won the world title without even playing much 8-ball in his life, so it's a game both guys can pick up. Quinten doesn't have a lot of experience in 8-ball, and the IPT was about it, though he was at a world class level when he did play it. I think it is the only game either side can logically consider, especially if they have the same amount of practice time ahead of their setting up a date to play. If you two are serious with your rambling, let's make it happen and stick to a game that is fair enough. Screw the golf John, screw the snooker Quinten, forget rotation or straight pool, let's play some 8-ball. Quinten already has offered 30K for a matchup, straight up 8, and now John just needs to agree to some minor formalities like a deposit or when and where. I think both of you should stick to that arrangement and quit talking smack, and work out the details. You both want it, so just do it. Come'on, just set up the damned game and have at it.

 

[chamillionare]

I think Quinten said he couldn't compete with John because of the break in 9 Ball. Perhaps he would think differently if the game were 10 ball.

i think i can turn up with a weeks practise and use any old pool cue and still win at 9 ball against john let alone if i get a cue i like and go to philipines and practise with some good players. the point i was making with 9 ball is the soft break/luck which i dont like and i think 9 ball is a shit game like snooker i personally dont enjoy it and i wont play it anymore unless it is a complete lock up then i obviously would have play.

8 ball is fair bet for us and the only logical game for me to compete in with an american pool player, john has tons more experience in practise/tournaments and equiptment. this is my total playing career for the last 13 years this is including world titles and small comps around 10 8 ball comps only 2 on american tables mostly with crap cues, around 7 9 ball comps but i only turned up cause i was close by in uk and it was good for a laugh. 2 multi cue sport competitions in australia and about 80 snooker comps thats my whole playing career combined with practising max once a week for nearly 9 years. i spent only 9 months playing every day and i did not improve that much im a complete novice compared to pretty much everyone on this website.

i never really wanted to play again its only because of the insults im prepared to play even with john at his game his equiptment his backyard.

8 ball lets post up now and play for 30k

im not gonna go on anymore i have stepped up in my mind and offered a great bet because i was goaded into it im not a pool player im not even a snooker player any more im nothing im a working stiff who thinks he is better than your us champion right now with no playing experience no cue nothing except more talent more balls just more full stop when you grow a set john let me know ill be happy to snatch them from you along with your cash.

 

[cad1illac]

I've been following this thread for awhile and it seems to me that 8 ball would be a good game for this match. Neither one has really played this game so there really is no advantage to either player, that being said it would then seem that it would show who really has real cue ability. Perhaps tweaking the 8 ball rules slightly to even things out even more and that would seem to satisfy everyone. I would fly in for this one !!!!! John and Quinten what do you say?

 

[cad1illac]

One more thing, lets put TAR in charge to make it safe for both sides. They have handled this sort of thing before and it would protect both sides. Each side puts up 5 or 10k, if there is a back out, to protect both sides. Now LETS GET READY TO RUMBLE!!!!

 

[chamillionare]

One more thing, lets put TAR in charge to make it safe for both sides. They have handled this sort of thing before and it would protect both sides. Each side puts up 5 or 10k, if there is a back out, to protect both sides. Now LETS GET READY TO RUMBLE!!!!

i dont know tar but everyone says there are ok so thats good anough for me ill post 1 or 2g now and another 3g 1 month before match as im not having more than that amount sitting idle for 4 or 5 months

 

[Fatboy]

hey john fatboy offered to let you use his snooker table i will put up say 70k to your 50 and we play both snooker and then 8 ball? first to 10 at snooker first to 50 at 8 ball or whatever you want similar to this? if we draw then maybe who ever wins the higher percentage of games all together gets 10k or the whole lot whatever you want?

we can organise exact date in around 4 months time as im flat out with work at the moment, and that gives you plenty of time to practise your snooker at fatboys house.

i only played american 8 ball for about a month in my whole life you can check around, also i have not played since ipt finished and not played snooker or any cue sports since may05 or 06 i cant remember exactly.

and blackjack you wanted to play me for $5,000 giving me 250 start first to 1000 straight pool lets organise this now so i can play you and john together

and we can even get action challenge to tape it hell i reackon fatboy might even put a pool table in his house just for a laugh and we can probably play it all there? it would be pretty easy.

if john is making so many good breaks at snooker this should be a good test 4 months for him to improve and he is playing a player that does not play anymore and was never any good in the first place a real second rate player compared to a champion like jonh smidt and your getting 70k to your 50k. and even better is because so many people dont like me and are ignorant to my abilities you should be able to get people to back and you wont even have to play with your own money

let me know

i havent read much of this thread but just to throw some gas on the fire, how bout you and John come to my mansion-bit more than $2M and play with no one but you 2 guys and one of my security staff, I dont need to watch, we can tape it too. No excuses, no BS just snooker. I also have a perfect 9' Diamond as well. No excuses I have the perfect place to play no distractions.

 

[Fatboy]

You're not try to copy Fatboy's style are you, Brit?

We don't mind you coming on here and talkin' a little smack, but FATBOY is an original and we don't like no bloody wannabees trying to fill his shoes. You got that, Mate?
JoeyA

Thanks Sir!!! No knock-off's allowed.