Come on, he lost his sponsorship for having 120 affairs, not for *****ing and swearing when he missed a shot. Bit of a difference.
John Schmidt vs Corey Deuel
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Come on, he lost his sponsorship for having 120 affairs, not for *****ing and swearing when he missed a shot. Bit of a difference.
I guess if John bit off one of Corey's ears, that could be grounds for not inviting him back for a TAR match"-)....
Well, he has reportedly been fined more money than any player in the history of the sport for his on-the-course transgressions too.
There's a huge gray area here, as someone else said. I see a big difference between a colorful personality who may get a little out of line at times (especially off the table, which I personally don't give two sh*ts about) and someone who blatantly sharks and pulls moves every damned time he plays. One is inevitable and perhaps even entertaining to many fans - the other is classless and, to be frank, personally embarrassing to someone like me who thinks the sport's finest should show just a little class at least part of the time.
Aaron
Certainly possible.
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/golf/11770052-419/tiger-may-be-fined-for-antics.html
http://articles.nydailynews.com/201..._1_euro-tour-tiger-woods-dubai-desert-classic
http://www.golf.com/ap-news/woods-be-fined-criticism-rules-official
If people want to compare pool to other sports so be it. In other sports they DO reprimand players for acting like an ass. It is in pool that we get so many apologists who try and condone these types of things.
I agree, lets be like the other sports that crack down on this stuff.
Don't put the cart before the horse. Meaningful disciplinary action isn't even possible until there is a tour with a governing body with a written code of conduct that all players sign up to when becoming part of that tour. Until then nothing will change because it can't. There is no body with the authority to fine or penalize a player for conduct.
That really is the crux of the matter. Basically pool is like playing a shirts and skins pick up game. If someone swears, throws the bat, or kicks the ball in anger, what is the penalty? None.
It's not mine, Dave's, Celtic's or anyone Else's threshold for conduct that matters. The forum doesn't get a vote. Justin and Mark own and call the ball.
Good business people should listen and possibly react to their customers but in the end it's their money/sweat equity that votes. I'm just another azzhole with an opinion.
Nick
Good business people should listen and possibly react to their customers but in the end it's their money/sweat equity that votes. I'm just another azzhole with an opinion.
Nick
We can offer suggestions though ...
1st offense: verbal warning and a forced 15 minute no BS time out. No early re-entry, no, "ok, ok I'm sorry". 15 minutes outside.
2nd offense: Yellow Card = 25% fine from whatever your purse is.
3rd offense: Justin will Tase you. On Camera.
DONE.
And this is the problem with many folks -- they don't know how *not* to become extremists. Whatever happened to the word "moderation" in today's language? Is it a long-lost art to not become swept up or polarized at far ends of the spectrum?
Sports figures being "characters" is certainly welcome and encouraged -- besides performance, character is what people pay to see, after all. Nobody has to be a choir boy or a "suit." Certainly, instantaneous bursts of frustration after a bad move (e.g. a tennis player swatting a ball into the stands, or a golfer tossing his club in disgust) is part-and-parcel of a perfectionist.
But pissy, petty antics continuously perpetrated throughout a match that continuously bleed the match of value? That's a different story.
The problem we have here on the forums is not double-standards, but rather that people don't know the meaning of the word MODERATION. There's a huge range of shades of grey between the polar opposites "black" and "white." But yet, it's like one's expected to only select from the two ends of the poles, and nothing in between.
-Sean
sharking/drama vs tasteful color in competition
Definitley ideas here for TAR to meditate on. It should not be Justin's job to play the role of the big man who will step in,in case things get too dramatic - which some people think will make pool more fun to watch?:frown: All I can say is if the chalk that went flying by my head that Schmidt swiped off the table would have in fact hit me the war mongers would have got their moneys worth that day. This incident occured during my first TAR experience with Schmidt, maybe Schmidt and Earl act poorly sometimes cause they know they can get away with it. Could it be that it's just a way of showing their frustration with the sad state of professional pool and no tour by simply taking it out on the players they compete against and might even suffer a loss to on any given day? Earl was my favorite player to watch play nine ball when he just played pool, I also enjoy watching Schmidt play great straight pool and many others. I do not enjoy knowing that another player can start drama and act like a fooland better his hance of winning by doing so cause there are no rules in place to stop unsportsmanlike conduct. This does hurt the professionalism of the game.
Definitley ideas here for TAR to meditate on. It should not be Justin's job to play the role of the big man who will step in,in case things get too dramatic - which some people think will make pool more fun to watch?:frown: All I can say is if the chalk that went flying by my head that Schmidt swiped off the table would have in fact hit me the war mongers would have got their moneys worth that day. This incident occured during my first TAR experience with Schmidt, maybe Schmidt and Earl act poorly sometimes cause they know they can get away with it. Could it be that it's just a way of showing their frustration with the sad state of professional pool and no tour by simply taking it out on the players they compete against and might even suffer a loss to on any given day? Earl was my favorite player to watch play nine ball when he just played pool, I also enjoy watching Schmidt play great straight pool and many others. I do not enjoy knowing that another player can start drama and act like a fooland better his hance of winning by doing so cause there are no rules in place to stop unsportsmanlike conduct. This does hurt the professionalism of the game.
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I bet it burns you pretty bad to see John doing so well recently.
After all the crazy sh*t you have posted about Justin and TAR, you probably should try pulling your head out of your ass before commenting on anything they should be meditating about.
Danny,
I'd love to see you and Schmidt go back in time to the mid 1990's and play a set at the Tulsa Billiard Palace on table 5...(or was table 2 the action table with the broken ball box and the gaffy 2 hole)? Fyi, I own that table BTW. Do you remember that table?
Anyway, back to the point...He'd start that name calling, rude behavior and crying and he'd surely have an issue to deal with at that point, either with you, Matlock, one of the other pool players or one of the 50 foosball players.
But I agree, he's safe in the TAR studio.
Also, you can't blame Justin for providing a safe environment for the players he pays. Just saying...last thing he needs to a lawsuit because a pissed off pool player breaks someones Else's jaw.
I'd love to see you and Schmidt go back in time to the mid 1990's and play a set at the Tulsa Billiard Palace on table 5...(or was table 2 the action table with the broken ball box and the gaffy 2 hole)? Fyi, I own that table BTW. Do you remember that table?
Anyway, back to the point...He'd start that name calling, rude behavior and crying and he'd surely have an issue to deal with at that point, either with you, Matlock, one of the other pool players or one of the 50 foosball players.
But I agree, he's safe in the TAR studio.
Also, you can't blame Justin for providing a safe environment for the players he pays. Just saying...last thing he needs to a lawsuit because a pissed off pool player breaks someones Else's jaw.
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I'm a Libra. Its OK.
Glad somebody said it! Completely agree sir.
If you knew anything about chess, the "pros" there are always playing mind games with each other to throw their game off. Chess players talk some trash at he board too. You've never played at Central Park, NYC.
Yeah, and the PGA TOUR literally shut-down and went to zero ratings when he left. The only people who gave a rats ass about Tiger's infidelities were the sponsors, the whores he was banging and his family.
Fisher/Spasky there was some posturing going on when that match was coming together.
Go watch these elite players gamble many of them are talking when they are not shooting. I for one cannot believe that Corey would use that for an excuse, I do not think i have ever heard him say that John threw him off his game with the mild griping John was doing. Both of these players have been on the road and had to fade much worse than what John was doing. You might say why would they have to fade it, it is not right. I agree if you are playing mum pool, sit down pool but a TAR match is somewhat closer to gambling than pure pro tourney rules pool, they had the guys miked up and the sound was on for the audience to hear the players. I woul dbe suprised if Corey thought John sharked him with whatever things John was saying it sure did not seem to be that serious. I watched Landon/Strickland and Landon was not even acknowledging Earl who finally just shut it down and gave up the griping.
I think we will see John S back in TAR match in the not so distant future, he plays strong and people like to see him play even if not everyone is a John Schmidt fan.
What you do in the comfort of a bar or a back room is your own business. What you do on TV is everyone's. You're supposed to be a representative of the sport at that point.
Justin said the same thing: Every single time there's a problem it always an American who causes it.
Did anyone have a problem with Coreys post match interview when he said something along the lines of, "after yesterday, I just lost interest and didn't really care". Very lil respect being shown to Tar there, when they're paying you for your best effort. And after the last ball goes down, first thing Corey asks, "are we getting checks?"
Yeah, I remember that. I thought that was a little uncouth on Corey's end as well.
I believe one of things all these golf, tennis, name the sport, etc. comparisons are missing is the fact that every sport has its own protocol and standards of conduct. What is appropriate at a boxing or MMA match would not be appropriate for Wimbledon.
And so -- when looking at "acceptable" conduct of pool players -- you need to look at what is generally considered proper conduct for our sport and not Augusta. I believe you can also forget about whether a match is streamed or televised, that being somewhat irrelevant. Even within the sport itself, I know that during tournament play pool has one standard that differs significantly from the standards of a money match. There are certain things I would take in stride during a money match but would not tolerate for an instant at The US Open.
So for starters I would ask: is a TAR match tournament play or a money match?
Lou Figueroa
And so -- when looking at "acceptable" conduct of pool players -- you need to look at what is generally considered proper conduct for our sport and not Augusta. I believe you can also forget about whether a match is streamed or televised, that being somewhat irrelevant. Even within the sport itself, I know that during tournament play pool has one standard that differs significantly from the standards of a money match. There are certain things I would take in stride during a money match but would not tolerate for an instant at The US Open.
So for starters I would ask: is a TAR match tournament play or a money match?
Lou Figueroa
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