Sure, I assume that. I think you also need other visual cues like you mention here (rail, etc.), but that's for another thread.
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John Schmidt's and Corey Deuel's comments on aiming systems
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Standing anywhere around a covered rectangle is a clue in itself.
"Like riding a bike" ....and chewing gum at the same time
It does take practice, and everything worthwhile does....however, it's no different than reading music and playing an instrument.....I taught myself at a young age to read music and play the piano....after some practice time and "conditioning" I was able to see a note on a page and one of my fingers found the coorisponding "key" on the piano (WITHOUT looking at the keys).....it's almost magical, but our minds are designed to do things like this and we do them in everyday life ... driving a car is much more difficult than playing great pool, but we a do it easily because we don't try to "over think" the process of driving like we do for say "aiming systems" :shocked: ...can you imagine a forum of people talking about how to line up the steering wheel to the highway the best way ... and the 40 different "driving systems" of doing it....
It does take practice, and everything worthwhile does....however, it's no different than reading music and playing an instrument.....I taught myself at a young age to read music and play the piano....after some practice time and "conditioning" I was able to see a note on a page and one of my fingers found the coorisponding "key" on the piano (WITHOUT looking at the keys).....it's almost magical, but our minds are designed to do things like this and we do them in everyday life ... driving a car is much more difficult than playing great pool, but we a do it easily because we don't try to "over think" the process of driving like we do for say "aiming systems" :shocked: ...can you imagine a forum of people talking about how to line up the steering wheel to the highway the best way ... and the 40 different "driving systems" of doing it....
The "Key" is to simply not "dog it"...anything else is ok
Yes, you're on the right track...I HATE undercutting a shot and the internal feeling it gives me {to undercut shots} is dramatically worse (because I feel like I "dogged" it :frown
than when I over cut a shot....when I over cut a shot I know EXACTLY how to adjust and it doesn't bother me at all....as a matter of fact when I'm playing super well I'll usually over cut several shots when warming up....and I know my opponent's going have a battle on his hands
Yes, you're on the right track...I HATE undercutting a shot and the internal feeling it gives me {to undercut shots} is dramatically worse (because I feel like I "dogged" it :frown
than when I over cut a shot....when I over cut a shot I know EXACTLY how to adjust and it doesn't bother me at all....as a matter of fact when I'm playing super well I'll usually over cut several shots when warming up....and I know my opponent's going have a battle on his hands 
Miss any shot and im dogging it ,trying to play for the over cut (which only applies to certain shots for a safe and the game your playing and whats left on the table. )means maybe im scared i might dog it.Now if i just play for the over cut all the time i will probably miss hit it and make it some times.
Know one needs to reply im kinda talking to myself here.
Know one needs to reply im kinda talking to myself here.
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This thought of over cutting only applies to certain situations.
When I first replied to your post about why overcutting is better than undercutting, you were talking about a ball on the rail. Like the shot in the video, right?
If I'm not mistaken, there's three ways you can hit a ball to go in the hole. You can hit it dead on, overcut it, or undercut it.
As far as I know, between overcutting and undercutting, overcutting is always better. You'll make the ball more often since you're actually aiming at the opening of the pocket and you'll sell out a whole lot less.
I'm interested in hearing if you know of any shots where undercutting would be better.
I don't think so. For an obvious example, should you overcut when you're shooting toward the rail and when you're shooting away from it?
If you're talking about the center of the pocket opening (between the points), that's where you should be aiming in the first place, so overcutting and undercutting both miss the sweet spot.
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3 Part Pocket System
You would have to read previous posts to understand what I'm referring to...I'm not talking about intentionally overcutting shots....I'm referencing the "Three Part Pocket System" ( www.cjwiley.com ) where you aim at the part of the pocket closest to the ball (no matter how close if is to the rail) and CUE it a half tip to the inside (without spinning it) and throw it into the middle of the pocket....if it doesn't throw it goes where you're aiming and if it "deflects" too much it goes in the outside of the pocket....I explained this in detail in earlier posts.....and it's not easy, but worth the trouble of understanding if you want to play at a much higher level. CJ WILEY
You would have to read previous posts to understand what I'm referring to...I'm not talking about intentionally overcutting shots....I'm referencing the "Three Part Pocket System" ( www.cjwiley.com ) where you aim at the part of the pocket closest to the ball (no matter how close if is to the rail) and CUE it a half tip to the inside (without spinning it) and throw it into the middle of the pocket....if it doesn't throw it goes where you're aiming and if it "deflects" too much it goes in the outside of the pocket....I explained this in detail in earlier posts.....and it's not easy, but worth the trouble of understanding if you want to play at a much higher level. CJ WILEY
I'm not aware of any time undercutting and missing are better...
Does "cue it a half tip to the inside" mean:
- aim the cue ball straight &
- hit the cue ball a little offcenter to the inside
or
- aim the cue ball a little to the inside &
- hit the cue ball in the center
Thanks,
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Using Analogies to "build a bridge" to higher learning in Pocket Billiards
I apologize, I took it for granted you would understand what an analogy is....let's start from the beginning so you can fully understand this concept:
Analogy (from Greek ἀναλογία, analogia, "proportion"[1][2]) is a cognitive process of transferring information or meaning from a particular subject (the analogue or source) to another particular subject (the target), and a linguistic expression corresponding to such a process. In a narrower sense, analogy is an inference or an argument from one particular to another particular, as opposed to deduction, induction, and abduction, where at least one of the premises or the conclusion is general. The word analogy can also refer to the relation between the source and the target themselves, which is often, though not necessarily, a similarity, as in the biological notion of analogy. In this "rifle analogy" I'm referring to aiming with the "sights" as a relationship to how the body and cue line up with the eyes relative to the line of the shot.....I have another analogy written that goes into great detail about how this works and it's the only way I have found to explain the concept to someone that wants to understand..if you know a better way to teach this please be kind and explain it to me. CJ WILEY
I apologize, I took it for granted you would understand what an analogy is....let's start from the beginning so you can fully understand this concept:
Analogy (from Greek ἀναλογία, analogia, "proportion"[1][2]) is a cognitive process of transferring information or meaning from a particular subject (the analogue or source) to another particular subject (the target), and a linguistic expression corresponding to such a process. In a narrower sense, analogy is an inference or an argument from one particular to another particular, as opposed to deduction, induction, and abduction, where at least one of the premises or the conclusion is general. The word analogy can also refer to the relation between the source and the target themselves, which is often, though not necessarily, a similarity, as in the biological notion of analogy. In this "rifle analogy" I'm referring to aiming with the "sights" as a relationship to how the body and cue line up with the eyes relative to the line of the shot.....I have another analogy written that goes into great detail about how this works and it's the only way I have found to explain the concept to someone that wants to understand..if you know a better way to teach this please be kind and explain it to me. CJ WILEY
This is correct...most pros don't think about what they're doing, but they do have a feeling of "throwing the ball in for maximum pocket size"....or something along that line....Buddy Hall talks of putting "helping english" on shots he's close to and also uses outside to throw the ball where I always preferred inside (but NOT spinning, just deflecting)....Buddy's system works better for tournament conditions (new cloth) and mine works better for worn cloth that's more "gambling conditions"...I can make the adjustment, but it's like going from drawing the ball in golf to fading the ball....if you play golf you'll know what I'm saying...if not, stay tuned I have a plethora of analogies :groucho:
I come down on the ball approximately a half tip to the inside of the cue ball and go straight though at that point.....if the ball doesn't throw I'll go over a hair more and "calibrate" the response....it's like "Kentucky Windage"......
Kentucky windage
noun Slang .
a method of correcting for windage, gravity, etc., by aiming a weapon to one side of the target instead of by adjusting the sights.
Miss any shot and im dogging it ,trying to play for the over cut (which only applies to certain shots for a safe and the game your playing and whats left on the table. )means maybe im scared i might dog it.Now if i just play for the over cut all the time i will probably miss hit it and make it some times.
Know one needs to reply im kinda talking to myself here.
We all go though this at different times and at different levels....if you go to my web site there's some free clips that may lead you to what you're searching for in your game.....learning is a journey, not a destination.
CJ WILEY
www.cjwiley.com
I'm sure it's nothing penicillin can't handle.
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allergic unfortunately