I will bet $10 that team U.S. Doesn't win half as many matches as Europe.
Johnny Archer & Mosconi Cup
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I will bet $10 that team U.S. Doesn't win half as many matches as Europe.
I'll give you action. PM me to work out the details.
I think we will get more than five.
If Europe send its best, which would include the last three World 9-ball champions in Feijen, Hohmann, and Appleton, and adds its other two World 9-ball champions, Souquet and Immonen, they will be very hard to beat, but I think a team of Shane, Sossei, Bergman, Deuel and either Hall or Oscar would get past five. If we show up with less than that, we better hope that Europe leaves at least some of its best at home.
Hard to bet on this with the teams not yet announced.
As much as I respect Johnny and believe that he is entitled to his opinion, I have to disagree with him on some of the points that he tried to make. The US's overall record at the Mosconi Cup is 11 wins, 8 loses, and 1 tie. We won 10 of the first 12 Mosconi Cups (1994-2005). I personally believe that playing pool for money among elite players in the U.S. was much more prominent during that time than it is today with the down turn of the economy.
I can almost guarantee that anyone on any Mosconi Cup team has stories of how they traveled around and gambled at one point or another. If anything, I think that gambling is a progression that every elite pool player goes through in order to become more well rounded. Gambling pretty much forces one to perform under pressure (or end up broke).
I agree with him that there is a difference in the culture and the youth overseas often matures faster than our youth. However, that isn't going to affect whether we win or lose the next 5 to 10 Mosconi Cups.
I can almost guarantee that anyone on any Mosconi Cup team has stories of how they traveled around and gambled at one point or another. If anything, I think that gambling is a progression that every elite pool player goes through in order to become more well rounded. Gambling pretty much forces one to perform under pressure (or end up broke).
I agree with him that there is a difference in the culture and the youth overseas often matures faster than our youth. However, that isn't going to affect whether we win or lose the next 5 to 10 Mosconi Cups.
Ok. Would you like to move this to pm? I'm not on the GAL, are you? Either way. My full name is in my sig, so obviously, I have incentive to uphold my end.
you'd be surprised what a cell phone can capture when you accidentally hit VIDEO, instead of PICTURE.
i'll take that $10 bet too, Cory. we can split it - not save or dump it - SPLIT it. USA will still lose to EUR :angry:, but we will have a better record than last year.
just want to be clear; you're saying that you are a much deeper thinker than most here and so they are unable to comprehend what you can?
You'll probably be safe making such a comment since the majority here, the dullards, won't know they should take offense.
best,
brian kc <--- just a medium-depth thinker...
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The problem with thinking too deep about something is that you start seeing connections that don't exist.
-matthew <--- a medium-spicy thinker
I do not see what Johnny Archer said was wrong. He most definitely has earned the right to express an opinion about the current state of affairs. Like it or not, it has a modicum of truth to it, I think.
The campaign of Mark Wilson to be captain of Team USA at the Mosconi Cup was well thought out and accomplished its mission. He had a lot of backing from friends in high places. It worked. He's there. :grin-square:
I think Mark Wilson will be an excellent captain. The proof is in the pudding, as the say, and we will all find out soon enough.
Johnny Archer has been in the headlines of pool around the world for decades, and he will always be heralded as one of the great ones. Nobody can take that away from him. Nobody. He's just not in it with the In Crowd anymore. It happens. That's politics. That's American pool too.
I agree. No apology necessary.
This forum sometimes takes things out of context that really don't need to be. For someone like Johnny and others whose entire life is pool, it is hurtful to read some of the comments written on AzBilliards Discussion Forum. I feel bad for him thinking he even had to issue an apology because I don't believe he said anything wrong.
I'll let others answer that and keep my thoughts to myself.
I was very careful with my words to say "the campaign of Mark Wilson."
I like this comment.
takeitdown
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Look, be cheerleaders all you like. No chance is no chance. Why just show up without a realistic chance of winning?
If anybody wants to take USA winning with some big odds let me know. I will certainly accommodate. I expect this experiment to fall on it's face.
takeitdown
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This guy wants you to take USA for the win with odds. How about 2.5 to 1? Whatcha gonna say Louie? I want some of that Barton money.
I pretty much assumed Mark has the job for SEVERAL years. I dont think it is a one year succeed/fail situation. He is trying to BUILD a team. If my assumption is incorrect and we start over next year with a new leader, well yeah it isnt that far from silly.
I heard it through the grapevine that there *may* -- [emphasis on "may"] -- be a couple new faces on Team Europe this year, which will be quite interesting.
ETA: Those who bet long may bet wrong if they don't wait until they find out who's in and who's not.
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No chance is no chance, but I like statistics and odds. If last years' team was truly 11-2 underdog as the score shows and this team is not as good, then the odds should be even worse for this team. The probability of the US team from last year (11-2) winning would be 11,243:1 or worse.
I would take the worst of it and bet $0.10 to win $1,000. Let's face it, no one believes that is fair. My only point in posting this ridiculousness is to show how the team last year would be pointless to send again.
I will bet this year's team wins more matches than last year.
According to William Hill online book, which I cannot access in the US, you can bet 5 to win 2 on Europe. If someone I trust can set up an account I would like to bet a very reasonable sum on team Europe.