johnny archer

JAM said:
At the U.S. Open this year, I was watching my counterpart Keith McCready playing Young Gun Sylver from Texas in a winners' side match. Keith was ahead of him 2 games for most of the match, but it was an excruciating one to watch for me as a railbird. Sylver being an excellent one-pocket player kept playing safety after safety after safety, and it was tough for Keith to get any rhythm going. :eek:

The spectators were cheering and clapping for BOTH players during this match. I'm setting about four rows up on the side next to Veteran Don Steele and his wife in the gallery. They were rooting for Keith, as was I. During the battle, Sylver committed a foul which gave Keith ball in hand. As Keith advanced to the table to pick up the cue-ball and place it in front of the next shot, I yelled out, "Go get 'em, Keith!," along with the rest of the crowd. Keith stopped dead in his tracks and turned to ME in the audience and said, "What did you say?" I turned about 10 shades of red and was totally embarassed. I wasn't the only one cheering. Yet, he singled my voice out of the crowd. :mad:

One time I saw Buddy Hall competing at Glass City Open, and as he was studying his next shot, he walked around the table, looking at it from all angles. He then got ready to pull the trigger. A VIP railbird who was sitting adjacent to the playing area stretched his legs, and his feet came out from underneath the table which happened to be in the pit. Buddy then stood upright and took his cue and pointed it at the guy's feet, who promptly pulled them back in, out of Buddy's peripheral vision. No words were every spoken. :p

Johnny Archer is a very focused player with a strong will to win. I haven't seen him act untoward to fans in my travels. He never hesitates to sign autographs or have his picture taken. A man of strong faith, he has a high regard for family values and is thought of by his peers as a player with integrity. He is an asset to the game/sport. Everybody does have a bad day at the office, so to speak. I guess Johnny Archer is human, too.

JAM
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I'm sure you're right; i.e., that it was an uncharacteristic [though regretable] occurrence. I simply reported what I witnessed. I certainly wouldn't want his livelihood or product endorsements threatened in any way. My hat's off to anyone who dares to try and eke out a living in this often maligned sport. To be truthful, I never had anything but a favorable view of Mr. Archer before this event, so I was really stunned when it happened.
 
When he said 'Why don't you go sit over there with them", which was a group of Philipinos, he probably did just mean Bustamante's fans.

I am Asian (Really?) and have known Johnny over 10 years. In all that time, every time I have seen him, he has treated me with the utmost respect and he has never even hinted that he thinks I am different than anyone else. He loved my daughter when she was little and spent time with her. He even asked for her picture. I don't think these actions depict a racist.

Johnny might have gotten hot but I am sure there was no discrimination behind his actions.

Linda
 
rackmsuckr said:
When he said 'Why don't you go sit over there with them", which was a group of Philipinos, he probably did just mean Bustamante's fans.

I am Asian (Really?) and have known Johnny over 10 years. In all that time, every time I have seen him, he has treated me with the utmost respect and he has never even hinted that he thinks I am different than anyone else. He loved my daughter when she was little and spent time with her. He even asked for her picture. I don't think these actions depict a racist.

Johnny might have gotten hot but I am sure there was no discrimination behind his actions.

Linda
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I'd like to agree with you, but that was not how it was said, and there was no group of Filopinos in the vicinity. Someone explained to me that there is some animosity due to the fact that Filopinos play in American tournaments, whereas Americans are not permitted to compete in their tourneys. Whether this explains the remark or not, I don't know. It's obvious from the comments in this thread that Johnny is well thought of and that this episode was atypical--out of character. I'd like to leave it there though, that is, that Johnny is human like the rest of us. And he should be proud of the fact that there are so many who have come to his defense, even if they were not witnesses to what occurred.
 
AzHousePro said:
Word about threads here seems to travel pretty fast. I got a call from Johnny over the weekend and he wanted to make sure his side of story was also out there.

Johnny said a Filipino fan had been heckling him the entire match. When Johnny asked him to stop talking, the response was "I paid my money, I can say whatever I want". (Johnny feels this comment in itself is admission that multiple things were being said)

After the match was over Johnny did make a comment that maybe the guy should go sit with a different group of people. Then someone else jumped into the converation and accused Johnny of making a racist remark.

Johnny said the comment was the farthest thing from racist. He was simply saying that if the guy was a fan of the other player, then maybe he should go sit with the other players fans.

Mike
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Happy happy-joy joy, heck, let's hang somebody!
 
Sorry to get off topic, but I just saw the repeat of his match with Thorsten where he went down 1-7, I think.

Anyway, in one of the last games, Johnny kicks at a combo but it doesn't go, and as he goes back to his chair you can hear him say something like "every time it just squirts off".

Was he trying a different shaft? What shaft does he normally use?
 
I've never heard Johnny Archer make a racist comment, and I, for one, do not tolerate racism since I've been faced with it half my life. I also don't think he'd be starting brawls in front of his wife and son, who were also at the US Open.
 
JohnnyP said:
Sorry to get off topic, but I just saw the repeat of his match with Thorsten where he went down 1-7, I think.

Anyway, in one of the last games, Johnny kicks at a combo but it doesn't go, and as he goes back to his chair you can hear him say something like "every time it just squirts off".

Was he trying a different shaft? What shaft does he normally use?
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If that was the BCA Open, he was talking about the cloth. It was very, very slippery!
 
Sad that this even had to be brought up. No one looks good and all it can do is tarnish someone's reputation.
I was not there but for the record, of the numerous times I have seen Johnny play, he has always been quiet and inconspicuous. Almost to the point that I didn't even realize he was playing a match. Not to mention the guys so damn good he is boring as hell to watch. Not a bad trait in actuality.

Regards,
Koop
 
two idots

I can't believe that two idots who have posted 15 times, and who are obvious trouble makers, can get a rumor about Johnny Archer started this easy. He was only telling the guy to go sit on the other side (behind the other team) if he liked him so much. Now he's a racist! This is crap and Johnny should seek legal action against the two idots who started this thread. This kind of false information is slander and he should not stand by and let it happen.

I've known Johnny (and his family) all of his life. There is not a better person.
 
If johnny only said to go sit with the other fans, I hardly see how that would lead to people holding him and the other fellow back. Seems pretty apparent something really did happen either way. I for one have seen him be a 'bad sport' on a couple occasions, missing a shot and breaking his shaft in half for one example. If this was a incident at your local poolroom with some average joe you wouldnt hear the end of it. Since its the great Johnny Archer everyone comes to his defence. (When in reality he should hold himself to a upmost level of integrity).
 
Get real ....

Jross said:
If johnny only said to go sit with the other fans, I hardly see how that would lead to people holding him and the other fellow back. Seems pretty apparent something really did happen either way. I for one have seen him be a 'bad sport' on a couple occasions, missing a shot and breaking his shaft in half for one example. If this was a incident at your local poolroom with some average joe you wouldnt hear the end of it. Since its the great Johnny Archer everyone comes to his defence. (When in reality he should hold himself to a upmost level of integrity).
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We are talking about a REAL LIFE human being here, not some professional
robot that never expresses what they are feeling.

Let the first poolplayer who has NEVER been angry at themselves or
anything else, especially after losing a match, be the first to cast a stone ..

THE POINT IS .... Johnny has been a good ambassador for Pool and a great
player. He almost always stays within the scope of a professional and
sportsman, BUT HE IS HUMAN. Torching someone for 1 incident is absolutely
ridiculous .... It is not like he acts up all the time, or causes as much a riff
as Earl does.

PERSONALLY, YOU are expecting Johnny to live up to standards that you
yourself can not live up to 100%.

Yes, he is not the most exciting player to watch, one of the reasons is
because he is very intelligent, and he acts and plays with his intelligence.
Playing the sport to perfection should be entertaining enough for anyone.
 
jed1894 said:
I can't believe that two idots who have posted 15 times, and who are obvious trouble makers, can get a rumor about Johnny Archer started this easy. He was only telling the guy to go sit on the other side (behind the other team) if he liked him so much. Now he's a racist! This is crap and Johnny should seek legal action against the two idots who started this thread. This kind of false information is slander and he should not stand by and let it happen.

I've known Johnny (and his family) all of his life. There is not a better person.
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It does not surprise me that any 2 idiots can ruin a person's reputation, 3 years ago I started playing UK 8ball and joined a league team, I was playing doubles and was partnered up with a more experieced player (so that I could learn from him), the rules state that we are not allowed to discuss shots after the first ball has been made and my partner goes on to clear up the table and he pots our last ball and comes off 3 cushions to land perfectly behind the 8ball to play it into the middle, I said good shot and he then pots the 8ball, our opponents afterwards start complaining to the referee that when I said good shot that I was coaching my player to pot the straight 8ball into the middle.

At the time the referee came up to me and said that I should make sure not to speak in future but agreed that his own teammates were being stupid because my doubles partner was on a straight black, I though nothing more of it at the time but found out the next week that the two players we had been playing had went round telling everyone I was a cheat, this reputation followed me around at every league game for the next couple of months.

Sadly there are a lot of people with big mouths and there are a lot of people who like to believe the worst of a person whether they have met them or not.
 
<< shakes head, wondering if other one-on-one games have anything near the same quibling and petty-ism>>

Pretty sad commentary IMO.
 
There have been instances of imposing a "silence" rules to those that flap their jaws to much, but that was when there was problems between the two players....I think those in the audience who shark a player should be 'no questions asked' escorted from the room....
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Does anyone wonder why the guy in the back behind the 2 guys took offense?He wasn't even in the augument.I personally believe the 2 guys are full of it and they were heckling Archer.A official should of given the guy his 10bucks back and sent him and his buddy packing,because they paid a few lousy dollars they think they can say whatever they want.Reread their posts and you can tell they were disrespecting both players by talking during the match.
 
archer slow? so what its his money to lose!

hey i have watched archer play before and yeah he does take a long time to shoot. but he makes his living doing this thats what everybodys forgetting here.
these pros dont fly around thousands of miles and pay air fares and expensive
hotel rooms to lose. you would slow down or do what it takes im sure hes not thinking if hes inconviencing little johnny who drove 2 hours from cincinnati(me):cool:
to watch him play. he is just concerned about winning the damn match no matter what. i remember talking to keith mcready about the fact about touring around and playing in tournaments he said its almost not worth it because all the expense he said you damn well better win money or your out money.
just i know when im at my job i do whatever it takes to get the job done and these guys are doing the same. so you have the choice to watch him play or not.
 
bobroberts said:
Does anyone wonder why the guy in the back behind the 2 guys took offense?He wasn't even in the augument.I personally believe the 2 guys are full of it and they were heckling Archer.A official should of given the guy his 10bucks back and sent him and his buddy packing,because they paid a few lousy dollars they think they can say whatever they want.Reread their posts and you can tell they were disrespecting both players by talking during the match.
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Ditto....except they should keep their $10 and send them packing.

IMO, it's sad how spectators and people in general nowadays seem to have less manners. I have never, ever seen or heard of anything remotely racial from J.A. These two creeps unfortunately show what is now more common than ever with pool specators...bad etiquette. Timberly hit it dead on the nose with her earlier post.

Sean
 
hey sean your right spectators have lost their freakin minds. they are provoking alot of shit. Archer would never start any shit with the crowd hes got a business and is a respectable man. now ive seen him get pissed at cell phones and pagers
well who can blame him on that. hes generally very quite and keeps to himself.
see people love to pick on earl the pearl because those punks can get a reaction from him. i geuss those same people are trying to poke and prod new people to see if they can find the next earl.

oh yeah leave earl alone too i know he sometimes asked for it.
in the end it would please me to see some of these people who speak out loudly in the middle of a match get booted out and this crap would come to a halt!
 
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