JP Hoarders - Cool, or Not Cool

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Kickin' Chicken

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Having bought and sold quite a few cues over the years I have seen JP hoarding happen and it really bothers me in certain instances.

First, let me clarify what it is I'm talking about. :wink:

Joint protectors that come with a cue. I *always* pass them on with the cues I sell, even if they're plain black delrin ones.

Recently, I was lucky to get back a high end cue that when I sold it just 6 months prior, it had a gorgeous 3 piece set of custom matched jpoint protectors. The guy I bought the cue from said they never came with the cue when he got it and a little detective work by me uncovered who 'held onto' them when he sold the cue. He is now looking to sell them for hundreds of dollars. Did I mention these were custom made for this exact cue? wtf!

I see it aometimes where a guy will sell a cue then 2 weeks later, the matching jp's go up for sale.

To me there is something wrong with this.

Obviously, guys are always looking to squeeze the last twenty bucks out of what they have.

Times are tough, I suppose.

Maybe these guys don't think adding the jp's to the cue deal nets them as much as selling them seperartely.

Am I all wet in how I'm thinking about this?

What do you guys think?

best,
brian kc
 
Ive seen it too. I wondered why these people that sell the custom joint protectors dont sell them with the cue. It doesnt really make sense to me.
 
All cues should have joint protectors. As a matter of fact, all new production cues should come with them included. I really dont think a few dollars added to the price will mean anything. After all, you end up paying for them anyway. A cheap 10 dollar set of joint protectors probably only actually cost less then 5 bucks. Add the 5 or 10 to the price of the cue and Include them. A lot less pain in he ass for me!
 
Allen Brown said:
Ive seen it too. I wondered why these people that sell the custom joint protectors dont sell them with the cue. It doesnt really make sense to me.
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They do and probably adjust the price accordingly. You make the comment "Sell them with the cue", that does not mean give them away. Should he want to keep them and sell them separately what business it that of the the buyers? They belong to the seller, he doesn't have to give them away.

If I sell someone a gun, do I have to give them ammo and a holster and all the mags I have that fit the gun?
I don't get the problem.
 
bdorman said:
It's like selling the mother without the children.

It's just plain wrong.
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Actually I am surprised it is an issue. Selling a cue at a decent price is not all that easy. Anything that can sweeten the deal like JP's, extra shafts and even a case is usually thrown to help close the deal.
 
macguy said:
They do and probably adjust the price accordingly. You make the comment "Sell them with the cue", that does not mean give them away. Should he want to keep them and sell them separately what business it that of the the buyers? They belong to the seller, he doesn't have to give them away.

If I sell someone a gun, do I have to give them ammo and a holster and all the mags I have that fit the gun?
I don't get the problem.
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But, you sell the rifle and remove the scope???

The joint protectors to many people are a part of the cue. You seem to think it is not! If the builder made it to go with the cue then WHY not include it in the sale? Most people think/believe when they buy something that they are getting everything that goes with it. Why look a week later after a $1000 plus dollar purchase to see matching Joint protectors being sold to your surprise. They were NEVER mentioned or offered. Just surprise buyer! if you want the joint protectors to stay with the cue then I need X amount extra! It is upsetting that the seller has no use for it since he sold you the cue and would not match any other cue!

Just stop nickel and dime a buyer like this and include the joint protectors with the cue and INCLUDED it in the price of sale. SO, to answer your question! No the buyer is not looking for something for nothing.He wants to buy EVERYTHING not bits and pieces.

KD
 
Kid Dynomite said:
But, you sell the rifle and remove the scope???

The joint protectors to many people are a part of the cue. You seem to think it is not! If the builder made it to go with the cue then WHY not include it in the sale? Most people think/believe when they buy something that they are getting everything that goes with it. Why look a week later after a $1000 plus dollar purchase to see matching Joint protectors being sold to your surprise. They were NEVER mentioned or offered. Just surprise buyer! if you want the joint protectors to stay with the cue then I need X amount extra! It is upsetting that the seller has no use for it since he sold you the cue and would not match any other cue!

Just stop nickel and dime a buyer like this and include the joint protectors with the cue and INCLUDED it in the price of sale. SO, to answer your question! No the buyer is not looking for something for nothing.He wants to buy EVERYTHING not bits and pieces.

KD
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I agree, but If I sold the cue with a set of JP's I got from the original builder that matched the cue, I didn't get those for free. I can't see why someone would not want to offer them to the buyer or just have it figured in the price though.

Like I said, it is not that easy to sell a cue any why. You may have to do what ever it takes to close the deal. Seems like a non issue though. How many cues other then high end even have matching JP's.
 
If they were originally made for the cue, they ought to stay with the cue. Otherwise, it shouldn't matter.
 
I agree if they were made for the cue yes they should go with it. Now is its some mismatching set that doesnt match, no. I have a cue made for me that has the matching JP's on it. If I was to sell the cue (which I cant because the cue has my pool hall name on it), the JPs would go with it. But as I said, I cant because it has my name on it lol!
 
I've done this but for me it's very utilitarian, not to turn a profit. I'm not trying to flip the JP's, I just know they may come in handy in the future. In a perfect world all JP's would pass on to new owners. As it is, I might have to worry about the next cue I purchase not coming with JP's and it may be the case that the ones I kept match that new cue's pin. This is especially true if you're a buyer of the odd bastard pin cues like Benders. If I had JP's made to match a cue, however, I would let them go with the cue because that's the point of those JP's to begin with.
 
well it depends . . .

When someone has haggled forever and got me down to bottom dollar if the $150 pair of joint protectors weren't mentioned in the deal they ain't in the deal. He can buy some two dollar plastic ones same as anybody else.

I'll probably be sporting in a week or two and ask if he wants the joint protectors that match the cue before I list them. He ain't getting them for any bargain though! :thumbup:

Years ago I made a little side trip to deliver a rifle, scope, several barrels, a few other things I had sold on the way to a match in Kentucky. I was going to toss in a few more things but the buyer backed out of buying some things because he had found another rifle he wanted while on the road and didn't have the money! I had the custom carbide reamer just used to chamber those barrels, another carbide reamer just used to chamber the dies to reload for those barrels, and an extra custom die of another brand. The reamers were about three-fifty for the pair and the die was around two-fifty. I had intended to toss them in on the deal.

I waited until the buyer sold the rifle to a third party then contacted the new buyer and gave him the reamers and die, shipped them free. The reamer maker was maybe the best in the world and had since went out of business. Those reamers were true unobtainium! Sometimes you can be too cute trying to buy something for bottom dollar.

Hu
 
In this market, you almost have to separate. Seriously. Look at how everybody remarks on cues selling for so little in the WFS section...

If they are custom made for a cue, and the buyer of said cue won't pay the premium for them, separate and try your luck selling elsewhere. Odds are he buys them at the discounted price that no one else will pay.
 
I appreciate getting them with a cue, but it also don't think I've ever beat anyone up over the price so much that they'd withhold joint protectors out of spite.

Generic JPs I can see holding onto for use with another cue. Custom matching JPs should go with the cue they were matched to, and if they're exotic enough in design or material I think it's fair to ask a little more on the cue sale price.

I'm personally going to start flipping cues specifically to cull enough custom JPs to swap out all the drawer pulls in my kitchen.
 
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