JTS Brown Review.

White Tab and Whiskey

Funny - I always thought he said white tab and whiskey - I thought maybe "white tab" was the way they used to refer to soda water. There are some strange lines in there.

Another was "100 dollar freeze out - ten games ten bucks a game". What the heck is that? Sounds like the modern 10 ahead set.
 
Run the Century said:
Funny - I always thought he said white tab and whiskey - I thought maybe "white tab" was the way they used to refer to soda water. There are some strange lines in there.

Another was "100 dollar freeze out - ten games ten bucks a game". What the heck is that? Sounds like the modern 10 ahead set.
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BINGO :smile:
 
Run the Century said:
Funny - I always thought he said white tab and whiskey - I thought maybe "white tab" was the way they used to refer to soda water. There are some strange lines in there.

Another was "100 dollar freeze out - ten games ten bucks a game". What the heck is that? Sounds like the modern 10 ahead set.
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Yeah Freeze Out is an ahead set. You "freeze" up the money na play for it all.

Fats asked for White Tavern Whiskey, and told Preacher to get it a Johnny's. The get it at Johnny's was telling Preacher to alert Bert that Fats had big action and needed his backer. The White Tavern was also a hustle. There is no such brand, although, as this thread indicates, JTS Brown does exist. Fats was calling for fake whiskey, he hustled Eddie into getting fall down drunk, which is how Fats beat a better player. Fats and Bert hustled Eddie.

The cool thing about Bert is later when Eddie and Bert are discussing the match and Bert is ascribing what Fats beat Eddie with as "character", Eddie brings up the subject of how much they both drank, and Bert ascribes Fats being able to hold his liquor to character too. Bert is a con man, and even partnered with Eddie he won't tip his his real hand. Bert partners with nobody. Bert is a complete user.
 
I have a mimeograph copy of the Hustler script, Fats says White Horse Whiskey.
 

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kvinbrwr said:
I think it was White Tavern.

As JTS Brown did exist, and White Tavern did not, I think that Fats was calling for placebo Whiskey in order to get Eddie drunk, which worked pretty good (if it was a ploy).
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You're right, it's White Tavern. I looked at the subtitles. Always sounded like White Tappan to me, with Jackie Gleason's Brooklyn accent.

However, I don't agree that it's not supposed to be real whiskey. The novel never indicated that Fats wasn't drinking real whiskey. Also, it would be asking too much of the audience to somehow know that this was not a real brand - and if we did know that, why wouldn't Eddie know? Surely he spent enough time in bars to know.

All that dialog that comes later - "you think that's a talent too, knowing how to drink whiskey? You think Minnesota Fats was born knowing how to drink whiskey?" - becomes meaningless if we suppose that it was not real whiskey. It would instead have been written "You're a fool, Eddie, a babe in the woods. Minnesota Fats played you like a violin. He lets you get drunk while he drinks iced tea. Stick with me, kid, learn something!"
 
Run the Century said:
Funny - I always thought he said white tab and whiskey - I thought maybe "white tab" was the way they used to refer to soda water. There are some strange lines in there.

Another was "100 dollar freeze out - ten games ten bucks a game". What the heck is that? Sounds like the modern 10 ahead set.
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Not strange at all, actually. In those days 'freeze out' was the term for
what was later to be called 'ahead set'.

Instead of betting x number of dollars a game - each player would
'freeze up' a total amount.

Dale
 
mnorwood said:
Until a few years ago I didn't know that JTS Brown was an actual brand of whisky. When I found out it was real I looked for it. Well the other day I found a fifth for 10 bucks.

The price of the bottle should have alerted me to its quality, but I tried it anyways. It is absolutely terrible. The after taste is still in my mouth as I type and it aint good. :eek: I have never tasted goat piss but I am sure if you cut JTS Brown with it the taste would be better.

I am going to keep the bottle for a decorative item for my pool room.
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Is this what you have?:
http://www.thewhiskyexchange.com/P-1158.aspx
That's the 10 year old. The number of years aged makes a big difference.

Looks like Heaven Hill still lists it as one of their bourbons (scroll down to the bottom of the list) but I don't think they produce much of it.
http://www.heaven-hill.com/brands-bourbon.html

It was considered a good bourbon. Someone disparaging it's "quality" probably doesn't like any bourbon. There's no way bourbon tastes worse than scotch. I don't care for either.
 
mnorwood said:
I am more of a scotch man. For the sake of wedding receptions and family gatherings I have tried to like cognac, but I really can't get in to it even the really expensive bottles.

I have to believe this stuff was cooked up for fans of the movie. I am going to keep it around to entertain true pool players.

If I start to lose I will offer them some with no ice. :thumbup:
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I've never seen or heard of Cognac at a wedding reception. Do you mean Champagne? Big difference.

You'll never see anyone drinking Cognac with ice. If Scotch was really good no one would be adding ice or water to it. If I do drink any Bourbon it is straight.

Sometimes straight from the bottle. : )
 
Fast Eddie Felson

If it wasn't for JTS Brown, Eddie Felson wouldn't have lost all that money to Forest Whittaker in TCOM!!
 
Bourbon on Bourbon

This thread reminded me of my first time in New Orleans.
I was barely drinking age, not much of a drinker, but I felt it was my
solemn duty to take a night off and party.

Sooo..there I was walkin' down the middle of Bourbon street at two in
the morning with a triple bourbon in a balloon glass and the horns just
awailin' from bars on both sides and I'm thinkin' there's no other place
on earth I'd rather be at this particular time.....
...and my buddies are on the sidewalk yelling "What are you DOING?"
...and I'm sayin' "Relax, chiilun, this be NAWLINS."

..had 'bout 400 pancakes for breakfast next day and never missed a ball
for 3 hours.

thanx to the OP for bringing that back
 
risky biz said:
I've never seen or heard of Cognac at a wedding reception. Do you mean Champagne? Big difference.

You'll never see anyone drinking Cognac with ice. If Scotch was really good no one would be adding ice or water to it. If I do drink any Bourbon it is straight.

Sometimes straight from the bottle. : )
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Well then you have never been to a Vietnamese wedding reception. The men drink the cognac the chicks drink the bubbly.
 
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