Kevin Trudeau
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Judge Robert Gettleman ordered Kevin Trudeau be locked up during a Tuesday hearing in Chicago.
CHICAGO — A federal judge rejected an impassioned plea from a television pitchman for his freedom on Tuesday, ordering U.S. Marshals to lock up Kevin Trudeau for failing to pay a $37 million civil judgment.
The visibly exasperated judge had already ordered that Trudeau be jailed during a hearing in Chicago when Trudeau stood up and asked if he could address the court. The Federal Trade Commission won the judgment after accusing Trudeau of hoodwinking viewers about his weight-loss books.
"There are no more assets to turn over, your honor," the 50-year-old Trudeau insisted during a 10-minute plea, at times striking a note of desperation. "I'm going to be incarcerated ... and I don't know what to do."
Judge Robert Gettleman seemed unimpressed.
"Thank you, Mr. Trudeau," he said flatly. "My order stands."
The judge then directed two marshals to lead Trudeau out of the courtroom and take him to a nearby jail.
Gettleman, like FTC lawyers, balked at Trudeau's insistence that he is penniless — noting that he recently spent hundreds of dollars on cigars and a haircut.
On Tuesday, Gettleman added that he has seen no sign Trudeau was cooperating to verify where he does and doesn't have assets.
"I haven't seen any new information, only resistance," Gettleman said. "This has to end."
The judge said the only way Trudeau would get the message "is to incarcerate him."
Gettleman didn't say how long Trudeau would have to remain behind bars. It will be until at least Thursday, when there's another status hearing scheduled in the case, Gettleman said.
The judge sent Trudeau to jail for one night last month, warning him at the time that he'd be sent back if he wasn't more forthcoming.
"Give him an enema and bury him in a matchbox." -Christopher Hitchens
Kind of like how some praise our international brethren of pool players quite often over our Americna Super Stars, like Shane Van Boening. :wink:
Everybody has opinions, SJM.
My opinion is that Kevin Trudeau poured close to 10 million into pool that some people appreciate, especially all the BCA Hall of Famers that got $30,000 for just showing up in Orlando at the King of the Hill in December 2005. and I have another opinion that there are members of this forum who people praise and put on a pedestal who raised their capital by taking advantage of the poor, the aged, and the defenseless. A little bit of a double standard, I think.
Kind of like how some praise our international brethren of pool players quite often over our Americna Super Stars, like Shane Van Boening. :wink:
Everybody has opinions, SJM.
My opinion is that Kevin Trudeau poured close to 10 million into pool that some people appreciate, especially all the BCA Hall of Famers that got $30,000 for just showing up in Orlando at the King of the Hill in December 2005. and I have another opinion that there are members of this forum who people praise and put on a pedestal who raised their capital by taking advantage of the poor, the aged, and the defenseless. A little bit of a double standard, I think.
I'm sure I'll regret wading in, but JAM please think about how this reads.
It sounds a lot like:
"You give me flak for praising this convicted criminal, but you have your own faults.
For example you praise foreign players instead of americans."
It sounds like you're putting "praising foreigners" in the same league as "praising criminals".
Kind of offensive! Obviously they're not.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with SJM giving credit to any player anywhere.
It matters not where he was born, just like the player's skin color or gender doesn't factor in
when giving praise or criticism.
We can't fairly judge people by those things, we can only fairly judge them by their actions.
KT's actions have earned him at least a LITTLE criticism.
The point of my post was to say EVERYBODY has OPINIONS, and they post them on this forum. Just like SJM praises international brethren of players and then posts, and I quote, "Don't worry, someone on the forum will praise Trudeau," I am the person on the forum giving my opinion about Trudeau. Read into it what you will, Creedo, but that's what I meant, nothing more and nothing less.
You call him a "convicted criminal," and I think of him as someone who lost $10 million in pool.
I also feel that some of this forum's members have also made their wealth from taking advantage of the poor and elderly, et cetera, but nobody utters one peep about them. Only Trudeau. I don't get it.
Kind of like how some praise our international brethren of pool players quite often over our Americna Super Stars, like Shane Van Boening. :wink:
Everybody has opinions, SJM.
My opinion is that Kevin Trudeau poured close to 10 million into pool that some people appreciate, especially all the BCA Hall of Famers that got $30,000 for just showing up in Orlando at the King of the Hill in December 2005. and I have another opinion that there are members of this forum who people praise and put on a pedestal who raised their capital by taking advantage of the poor, the aged, and the defenseless. A little bit of a double standard, I think.
Agreed that some good came of Trudeau's tour for a few and I've often praised his plan of replenishing the roster annually by dropping the fifty lowest ranked players. Nonetheless, he was a many-times-indicated crook long before the IPT tour and his tour tried to stiff the players out of moneys due them. In addition, those who hosted qualifiers for the IPT tour were hoodwinked and lost money.
Yes, I'm happy for the fifty players or so that had significant money to show form the IPT events, but my concern is for the sport, not for the individual players. If you think pool came out of the IPT experience stronger, you are entitled to that opinion. I do not. In the early stages of his venture, Kevin openly mocked practically all who were involved in pro pool and made it quite clear that his plan had little to do with the general growth of the game. Some found this so repulsive that they wished for the failure of his venture, although I was not one of those. Those are not opinions, and if you choose to, you can review it all on the IPT forum.
As for my opinions regarding who the best players are, I always offer the justification for my opinions, and welcome those with different opinions to debate with me. That's the joy of this forum.
Contrastingly, I have never read anyone offer justification or explanations for the business plan or practices of the IPT, but I'm prepared to listen. As I see it, the IPT marked the single biggest disconnect ever between pro players and pool promoters, and its aftermath was, at least in part, a cold war between the promoters and the players that sadly rages on today.
Anyway, you are entitled to your opinion, and so am I. the truth probably lies somewhere between our opinions when it comes to the IPT, and we can leave it at that.
I appreciate you taking the time to express your thoughts in reference to my post, and it seems like you do, indeed, understand my stance on the IPT and Kevin Trudeau. As you said, having a friendly back-and-forth about the pros and cons of various pool-related matters is one of the benefits of this forum. :smile:
It seems to me like some folks -- and I do not mean you -- really have a strong hatred for Kevin Trudeau, after he invested $10 million in pool, even though some members of this forum have made their wealth in a similar fashion. This is what I don't understand, I guess.
In my experience of interacting with Kevin Trudeau, he treated Keith and myself very well, first class. He would come up and ask if there was anything we needed, et cetera. The IPT treated its members so different than other events I have been to. Yes, the business model, unfortunately, was flawed, resulting in its failure.
In this regard, Kevin Trudeau is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't when it comes to him losing $10 million. I'm sure Thorsten Hohmann enjoyed his winnings. What was it? $100,000? I'm sure Efren enjoyed his monies. I'm sure that every one of those BCA Hall of Famers, some of whom hadn't picked up a cue in years, enjoyed pocketing $30,000 just for showing up in Orlando. It is these things that I remember about Kevin Trudeau, how happy he made the players.
I've been going to pool rooms for over 40 years, and some of those characters in the pool room didn't make their money in a savory way, but the people who frequent those pool rooms, some of whom post on this forum, don't say a word about them, i.e., drug dealers, burglars, scallywags, and scoundrels.
I think this is what drives people nuts and spurs them to argue with you on this subject!
It's like you think the convicted criminal part, is some subjective opinion or interpretation.
Which is why you put it in scare quotes.
It's not. It's simple fact, black and white, a matter of public record. He admits it himself.
That's just the first of several convictions. He was (and still is) a criminal.
Would it be the end of the world to admit that he's at least a "mixed bag"?
CreeDo, seems like you're the one wanting to argue now. Why are you dissecting my words to mean what you want them to mean? I don't get it.
I don't want your words to mean anything bad, I have no anti-jam agenda. You seem basically OK.
What I was originally trying to point out is your comment to SJM has an anti-foreigner vibe.
And you've made other comments that put out the same vibe.
For example the 'boring euro robots' thing, and more recently comments on Larry Chiborak being Canadian.
For someone who is extremely well-spoken, it's weird your words would get misinterpreted so often.
I wanted you to be aware you're putting out that nationalist "us(a) vs them" vibe.
I assume you don't want people thinking you have a problem with foreigners.
On the subject KT, you're of course entitled to any opinion, it just seems really irrational.
How can you defend a guy who scammed desperate people by claiming to have cheap cures
for everything from AIDS to cancer? Pouring 10 million into pool doesn't erase that.
CreeDo, you have I have exchanged PMs about this exact same topic, Canadians. I explained to you then the reason I created that thread. I don't think you will ever understand, though. I took the heat to help a friend, and I'm just going to leave it at that. I got the message out there and received multiple replies, so mission accomplished. I don't think I need to explain my stance tt you in the public forum or via PM anymore. If you interpret my words that way, then that is your opinion. I really don't feel I have to elaborate anymore about it.
I am who I am, and that's all I am. If you choose to believe I am not, then so be it, but I am.
But while we're on this topic, can somebody come with this word in red? I can't understand what he's saying.
I have taken a big interest in scripture, all scripture, everybody's scriptures, Hindus, Analacs, Islam, everything, becuase of the . . .
What is that "Analacs" word? Please help. TIA! :smile:
I have taken a big interest in scripture, all scripture, everybody's scriptures, Hindus, Analacs, Islam, everything, becuase of the . . .
What is that "Analacs" word? Please help. TIA! :smile:
Hell of a job
Well spoken That was put about as nice as any could say it .
Said like a true gentleman.
That had to of been the worst 5 minutes of your life :killingme:
MMike
Well spoken That was put about as nice as any could say it .
Said like a true gentleman.
That had to of been the worst 5 minutes of your life :killingme:
MMike
Fair enough. I have to resist the urge to post a pic of Popeye 
What's the context of the analacs thing, is there an audio clip online?
I thinking it'll be some super common term that just came out stuttered/mispronounced.
I regret googling for the alternate possible spelling "Analax".
What's the context of the analacs thing, is there an audio clip online?
I thinking it'll be some super common term that just came out stuttered/mispronounced.
I regret googling for the alternate possible spelling "Analax".
Fair enough. I have to resist the urge to post a pic of Popeye
What's the context of the analacs thing, is there an audio clip online?
I thinking it'll be some super common term that just came out stuttered/mispronounced.
I regret googling for the alternate possible spelling "Analax".
In my shorthand, believe it or not, it came out as "anal sex," but I know that's not it. I think I am going to have to go with "Analects." It's the only thing that makes sense. The guy speaks like a mush-mouth. The topic is so boring. Yuck! It is due tomorrow, and I have so much more to go. :frown:
KT: master hustler
I'm with you on this thread.
KT is a master hustler...some here bought into his nice personal demeanor, ignoring his history. He's made unknown millions off "his" books, none of which he actually wrote. He created the IPT to make money (not to promote pool) and to give his buddy MS a nice little $100,000 gift.
I'm with you on this thread.
KT is a master hustler...some here bought into his nice personal demeanor, ignoring his history. He's made unknown millions off "his" books, none of which he actually wrote. He created the IPT to make money (not to promote pool) and to give his buddy MS a nice little $100,000 gift.
I try my best to not reply to those type of remarks. A person who is well spoken should not have to correct or elaborate on their points as it should be obvious to all levels of readers what the speaker is saying. Hidden meanings, imagery and forcing an audience to extrapolate is best suited to literary endeavors, not a pool player's forum.
I've seen a few other members make snipes at the flag-waving too. It's not just us low-brow league types who interpret it as bigotry. As a person, I've always found it interesting how focused some people can be on their way of seeing the world and their place in it.
In doing some research and found an interesting article on the differences between European and Asian psychology versus American psychology. In the article, it is noted how Americans focus on themselves and the Asians in particular (but also the Europeans) focus more on the surroundings and circumstances. I can see that in religion as well, where western Christians focus more on obeying, and punishment and how you are viewed, but in Eastern practices it is more focused on the Earth itself, the plants and animals. Of course this is no place for that discussion and I've found too many people get very angry about religion to ever have an intelligent discussion on it.
I think all of it flows from the same source. It's a way of life and no matter how well worded someone might find your writing you should always try to look at it from both sides. In that vein, understand Jennie, this is no attack. I would have hoped by now from our conversations you know that behavior, beliefs, and pool are my main interests. I'm pointing out the differences in culture.
As far as Kevin, I don't know why people are so fascinated with him. He didn't start the IPT to help pool, it was a business venture. It went sideways. If you choose to say, "He was found guilty but it doesn't count", then be prepared to forgive all convicts, not just your favorite one.
PS: In reference to the unfairness, Eric has been beaten up several times on this forum for his past.