Kim Davenport, interesting

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So I have heard this from a couple differnt people. They say that Kim Davenport has won more 9 ball tournaments that Sigel, Rempe, Hopkins and Mizerak all put together. They have also said they don't understand why he isn't in the Hall of Fame.
I know Kim but never really been around pool with him only ever played golf with him and had lunch or dinner. So was he really that good and did he really win that many titles?
 
Is there a single source listing all of Kim's accomplishments? If not, here are some from wikipedia to help get you started.

Title wins for Kim Davenport
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Davenport

2000 and 2001, U.S. Bar Table Champion
1997 and 1990 Sands Regency Nine-ball Championship
1995 PBT Chalker's Nine-ball Classic
1994 PBT Pro Tour Championship
1990 Billiards Digest Player of the Year
1990 Brunswick Challenge Cup
1990 PPPA World Nine-ball Champion
1989 McDermott Masters Champion
1988 Japan Cup
1985 Bowling Green Open

This is the list of tournaments Jim Rempe won
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Rempe

1971 Invitational Nine-Ball Arlington, Virginia
1971 U.S. Masters 14.1 Arlington, Virginia
1971 Hustlers World One-Pocket Johnson City, Illinois
1972 U.S. Master's 14.1 Arlington, Virginia
1972 World's Nine-Ball Dayton, Ohio
1972 Maine State 14.1 Scarborough, Maine
1972 Minnesota Fats Classic 14.1 and All-Around Arlington, Virginia
1973 Ohio Open Nine-Ball Cleveland, Ohio
1973 New York State 14.1 Newburgh, New York
1973 World's Nine-Ball Dayton, Ohio
1975 World Nine-ball Association Tournament
1975 U.S. Master's 14.1 Arlington, Virginia
1975 Eastern Invitational Nine-Ball Elizabeth, New Jersey
1975 World's Nine-Ball Burlington, Iowa
1976 Master's Invitational All-Around Norfolk, Virginia
1976 Indiana Open 14.1 South Bend, Indiana
1976 International Brunswick Open Rotation Tokyo, Japan
1977 Mako World Nine-Ball Association Invitational Tournament, Irvine, California
1977 Q-Masters Invitational All Around Norfolk, Virginia
1977 Miami Open Nine-Ball Miami, Florida
1977 International World Invitational Nine-Ball and 14.4 Grand Championship Osaka, Japan
1990 Classic Invitational Straight Pool Championship, Rochester, New York
1998 World Pool League
1999 World Pool League


Career titles for Steve Mizerak
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Mizerak

1970 Stardust Open, Las Vegas, Nevada
1970 US Open 14.1 Pocket Billiards Championship (d. Luther Lassiter)
1971 US Open 14.1 Pocket Billiards Championship (d. Joe Balsis)
1972 US Open 14.1 Pocket Billiards Championship (d. Danny DeLiberto)
1973 US Open 14.1 Pocket Billiards Championship (d. Luther Lassiter)
1974 US Master's, Arlington, Virginia
1976 US Master's, Arlington, Virginia
1976 World Open, Asbury Park, New Jersey
1977 World Series of Pool Asbury Park, New Jersey
1978 World Open, New York City, New York
1978 US Open Nine-ball Championship
1978 Trick and Tough Shot Championship, Las Vegas, Nevada
1980 Breaker Pool 14.1 Challenge Cup, England
1982 PPPA World Pocket Billiard Championship (14.1)
1983 PPPA World Pocket Billiard Championship (14.1)
1988 PBA U.S. Open 14.1
1997 Grand Casino Biloxi Classic
 
He won some nice tournaments, but Sigel alone probably won twice as many.

He had a great run, was Player of the Year one year, but I don't think his record is even close to a Sigel or Varner. Archer and Strickland have far better records as well.

I honestly don't know if I would vote for him to enter the HOF. Especially since he pretty much only played in pro nine ball events...Hopkins, Sigel, Mizerak were all straight pool monsters and excellent one pocket players.
 
I am gonna have to do some more research on this. I am not doubting the info that has been posted but I think there must be alot more somewhere that is not listed. Varner is one of the people who told me this and in my opinion he really does know his stuff. Thank you for the info posted, although it is gonna make me do a bunch of research :) I wish you had just said "Yes thats right" lol
 
I know Kim won a ton of regional stuff out here in California. If those were included, he mght be the guy with the most titles in pool.
 
8ballEinstein said:
I know Kim won a ton of regional stuff out here in California. If those were included, he mght be the guy with the most titles in pool.
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That may be what they are reffering to but I am not 100% sure, I will be finding out though. Thanks for the info
 
Golfball/Eyeball

Kimmer would of had even more, if it wasn't for the golfing incident....
 
The video of Kim beating Earl at the Sands is one of the most entertaining matches you will ever see in your life. Anyone who hasn't watched it is seriously missing out.
 
bfdlad said:
I know Kim but never really been around pool with him only ever played golf with him and had lunch or dinner. So was he really that good and did he really win that many titles?
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Absolutely not. I recall virtually all of Kim's career and saw him play on countless occasions.

Kim was a fine player, and was one of the top few nineballers in the early 1990's, but mentioning him with these guys is ridiculous ... and that's from a guy who was definitely a Kim Davenport fan back in the day. FYI, to omit the 14.1 accomplishments of these four legends is to consider just a fraction of their careers. What's the point?

Earl Strickland had been quoted as saying that "Mike Sigel is the best nine ball player I've ever seen." There can be no denying that Sigel was the best straight pooler of the modern era, listed as the third best player of the twentieth century (behind Greenleaf and Mosconi) by Billiards Digest. Mentioning Kim and Mike in the same sentence is a bit strange. From that era, only Nick himself merits mention with Sigel,

Don't mean to take away from a fine player who was always a credit to our sport, but Kim is not nearly mentionable with these guys, all of whom mass produced major titles. Perhaps your claim is true, but who won more local titles is a trivial matter when it comes to judging the all time greats. Kim simply doesn't have the track record on pool's biggest stages to merit comparison with these other players.

I've posted on this forum for ten years, but I don't ever recall hearing Kim's name come up in threads about the greatest ever nineballers.

Nonetheless, Kim was definitely a role model in pool who is, deservedly, remembered fondly by all who had the pleasure of seeing him compete.
 
The key word was 9-Ball tourneys. Now I am not arguing the points that have been made just making sure I am not saying more total tourneys just 9-Ball. Like I said I am gonna ask more questions on how this info has been calculated. Its not a big deal either way but it did make me think when I heard it.
 
bfdlad said:
The key word was 9-Ball tourneys. Now I am not arguing the points that have been made just making sure I am not saying more total tourneys just 9-Ball. Like I said I am gonna ask more questions on how this info has been calculated. Its not a big deal either way but it did make me think when I heard it.
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No, the key words in the original post were "hall of fame" and a very strange type of justification for such consideration was attempted.
 
sjm said:
No, the key words in the original post were "hall of fame" and a very strange type of justification for such consideration was attempted.
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Well, you read it as you saw it. Look, to me if Nick Varner says that about someone I tend to believe there is something more that we don't know. Again, not sure what it is at this point but if Varner thinks someone is deserving of that honor I am gonna have to take what his oppinion is with alot of seriousness. I mean, come on, he has forgotten more about billiards than most will ever know.
 
bfdlad said:
So I have heard this from a couple differnt people. They say that Kim Davenport has won more 9 ball tournaments that Sigel, Rempe, Hopkins and Mizerak all put together. They have also said they don't understand why he isn't in the Hall of Fame.
I know Kim but never really been around pool with him only ever played golf with him and had lunch or dinner. So was he really that good and did he really win that many titles?
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As a voter, I can tell you that I will vote for Kim Davenport for as long as he is eligible. I just don't think half of the voters understand his place in the history of pool as it transitioned to 9-ball. When I think 9-ball players as their primary, I think of three players: Earl, Kim, and Louie. I guess we can put David Howard and Danny Medina on that list, but I put the first three ahead.

Freddie <~~~ thinks Kim should be in before several recent inductees
 
Sigel winning est in tournaments!! Varner is only player to win world championships in all 5 categories!
 
bfdlad said:
So I have heard this from a couple differnt people. They say that Kim Davenport has won more 9 ball tournaments that Sigel, Rempe, Hopkins and Mizerak all put together. They have also said they don't understand why he isn't in the Hall of Fame.
I know Kim but never really been around pool with him only ever played golf with him and had lunch or dinner. So was he really that good and did he really win that many titles?
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I just played Kim 1 pocket the other day
 
bfdlad said:
Well, you read it as you saw it. Look, to me if Nick Varner says that about someone I tend to believe there is something more that we don't know. Again, not sure what it is at this point but if Varner thinks someone is deserving of that honor I am gonna have to take what his oppinion is with alot of seriousness. I mean, come on, he has forgotten more about billiards than most will ever know.
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That would make me question his statement more than back it up!
 
i know kim since 85, saw him win a pile of $5 tournaments back in the day:p in addition to Reno, player of the years, and lots of $$$ in action. I remember Dave Ferroni teling me that "I could give him the 7 bal, then 6 months later he was giving me the 7, he is a thourghrobred he just keeps getting better and better". that he did. The golf thing did slow his roll a bit, but he told me he adjusted to it after a year(he said he was "lucky" he could see the dots from the ball thru his eye-kinda weird. but he over came that and played high stakes pool on the golf box at hardtimes many times after. Seen Kim shoot point shots in one hole for the $ a few times in Sacramento.
 
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