Knowing your limitations by JoeyA

Defining one's own limitations is the smart thing to do so far as evaluating a shot making choice but if you fit yourself into a box of limitations too tightly, you might never realize your full potential. I suppose a person should just try to know what their limits are today and where they should push to expand those limits for tomorrow.

Mr. Wiggles, it was something about wrist movement - I can't remember now. :grin:

Joey, go for 11 diamonds.

UC,
I took your advice.

I practiced the draw shot with the object ball in the jaws. My average is 10 diamonds now and I can occasionally draw the cue ball all the say to the head rail. I was using too much muscle and only needed good technique. That's a big improvement in one night. I think I will come back to this again in the near future.
Thanks for the suggestion.
JoeyA
 
UC,
I took your advice.

I practiced the draw shot with the object ball in the jaws. My average is 10 diamonds now and I can occasionally draw the cue ball all the say to the head rail. I was using too much muscle and only needed good technique. That's a big improvement in one night. I think I will come back to this again in the near future.
Thanks for the suggestion.
JoeyA

Limitations are great to be aware of!Knowledge is power. Here is some
knowledge regarding your shot- place the object ball 3-4 inches out from
the pocket "jaws" and you will probably get more draw! Cloth is stretched tight
in the pockets and most wear is into the pocket.Getting out a little makes a differance.
 
Great post Joey A! Your weaknesses are just as important, or maybe even more, so than your strenths. If you know what they are, and don't let the old ego get in the way, it results in more wins for sure. Keep up the great work on the commentary as well. Love tuning in when I can.
 
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Limitations are great to be aware of!Knowledge is power. Here is some
knowledge regarding your shot- place the object ball 3-4 inches out from
the pocket "jaws" and you will probably get more draw! Cloth is stretched tight
in the pockets and most wear is into the pocket.Getting out a little makes a differance.

I had thought about how it seemed that draw was more difficult with the OB in the jaws than a few inches out from the pocket and now you explain why. Thanks.... very interesting.

Great post Joey A! Your weaknesses are just as important, or maybe even more, so than your strenths. If you know what they are, and don't let the old ego get in the way, it results in more wins for sure. Keep up the great work on the commentary as well. Love tuning in when I can.

Thanks Ron. I seldom have a problem with my ego getting in the way of making decisions but I sure has hell haven't measured my limitations lately and it was and continues to be an eye opener.

I'll try and do some commentary for the BigTruck show March 12 or 13th since he will be in our neck of the woods at the MONSTER Calcutta tournament in Lafayette, Louisiana. (Monster because it goes between $30,000.00 and $40,000.00 each time they have the tournament). It's probably the best weekend bar table tournament in America and maybe the WORLD. :D

A number of the bar table champions from around the U.S. show up for this one. Some of my Filipino friends keep telling me that they are coming but so far they have been a no-show. Anyway, the tournament is not this weekend but next weekend. Mardi Gras ends on March 8 and most of Louisiana will be hungover for the tournament so it should be easy pickings for any of the top players that come to visit.

Glad you enjoy my commentary. I have fun doing it and I try to do my best to give everyone an impression of what I see going on and I have fun with JoeyA's signature Trademarked SECRETS, where I have the pro players sign an agreement and pledge to give up their special secrets. :wink:

Best Regards,
JoeyA
 
JoeyA: limitations: Volume 2 ^^

Absolutely correct. This is simply an exercise that makes you face your outter limitations, in addition to teaching you what your average capabilities are.

Luxury exhibited a great draw stroke where he hits a draw shot with beautiful draw from a long distance. I too can occasionally make the shot he illustrated in his video and I find it strange that my cue ball can travel little more than 10 diamonds total with the "jawed" object ball.

Below is a shot that Larry Nevel made famous but all I do is attempt to draw it back to the rail where I shoot it from. (I don't attempt to go three rails with the cue ball or more like Larry. :wink:)

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It's funny and I don't know why but I would bet a dollar to a doornail that I could make that shot which is 14 diamonds of cue ball travel length before I could make 11 diamonds of cue ball travel length with the jawed OB. I guess jacking up and shooting side arm has it's advantages.:D

UBC, your PM was GREAT!
Thanks,
JoeyA

Hi there JoeyA,

took a bit until i was able to tryout a bit :) It was fun- the best result to draw the CB back to the head-rail and one more diamond into the kitchen-field. Reached the kitchen 3 times out of 5 trys.

Here is a shot where a guy tried to slow me down. I was 4-0 up in a 10-ball final (innerstate). Think i thought and ran about 5 minutes around the table before i finally shot...and did it. I tried this shot many many times in training again......but it just worked a few- but it worked at the right moment and made the game. Interested how good your trys are^^

Cueball is about 5 cm from the corner of the headrail- a minimal angle on the 8-ball, which was about 2 cm from the rail. I shot it with extreme accelerated follow-shot with lefthand english.

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Felt great to make kind of this shot under pressure- suddenly the idea came up and i knew*now or never* and bam :)

lg
Ingo
 
Hi there JoeyA,

took a bit until i was able to tryout a bit :) It was fun- the best result to draw the CB back to the head-rail and one more diamond into the kitchen-field. Reached the kitchen 3 times out of 5 trys.

Here is a shot where a guy tried to slow me down. I was 4-0 up in a 10-ball final (innerstate). Think i thought and ran about 5 minutes around the table before i finally shot...and did it. I tried this shot many many times in training again......but it just worked a few- but it worked at the right moment and made the game. Interested how good your trys are^^

Cueball is about 5 cm from the corner of the headrail- a minimal angle on the 8-ball, which was about 2 cm from the rail. I shot it with extreme accelerated follow-shot with lefthand english.

CueTable Help



Felt great to make kind of this shot under pressure- suddenly the idea came up and i knew*now or never* and bam :)

lg
Ingo

Ratta,
That is an awesome shot!

Some progress has been made on my draw shot. My average is now IN THE KITCHEN. I can sometimes hit the head rail. yeeeHAWWWWWW!

It's interesting. Knowing your limitations doesn't mean accepting them as permanent. It just means that at the moment, that is what you are capable of doing and knowing that is a good thing. If knowing your limitations motivates you like it does me, it means that you have an opportunity to improve.

How did I increase my draw? By practice and by having a coach who witnessed all of my imperfections and who didn't mind setting the record straight.....:)
 
Ratta,
That is an awesome shot!

Some progress has been made on my draw shot. My average is now IN THE KITCHEN. I can sometimes hit the head rail. yeeeHAWWWWWW!

It's interesting. Knowing your limitations doesn't mean accepting them as permanent. It just means that at the moment, that is what you are capable of doing and knowing that is a good thing. If knowing your limitations motivates you like it does me, it means that you have an opportunity to improve.

How did I increase my draw? By practice and by having a coach who witnessed all of my imperfections and who didn't mind setting the record straight.....:)


Don t want it so badly....- i think for these kind of draw-shots you need to believe. Its just about the acceleration. Like Scott loves to say: Your cue is 3x of the wight of the CB . And for sure the material is also important.
But on this shot i like to just stand behind the CB watching it- play it in my mind-go down- bam. If you have negative thoughts on shots like that they can t work that good :) No time for negative^^

lg
Ingo
 
A kind of shot that is (in my opinion) easier as it seems. In a situation likethis where the ball is almost *in* at the corner-pocket i always choose the force-follow shot to make in this case here the 10-ball. Looks nice-but if you praticed it sometimes it will be a sure-shot in your arsenal. High-percentage shot!

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A kind of shot that is (in my opinion) easier as it seems. In a situation likethis where the ball is almost *in* at the corner-pocket i always choose the force-follow shot to make in this case here the 10-ball. Looks nice-but if you praticed it sometimes it will be a sure-shot in your arsenal. High-percentage shot!

CueTable Help

 
Good thread, nice break from the CTE discussions... :)

I can consistently make the following shots on a 9' table without sidespin etc. At times, I've hit both where the cue ball not only gets back to the end rail but bounces back out a diamond or two but that's rare and usually not useful in a game either...


I actually practiced this one as part of the progressive draw drills that Bob Jewett has on hiw website. I start out 1 diamond away and try to draw back 1 diamond, then 2 - 2, then 3 - 3, etc., trying to land past the mark but no more than 1 diamond farther. Usually accuracy is better than distance, but pulling the stroke out once in a while is nice too...

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For this one, cue ball is a chalk width from the end rail. Saw some guy hit this when I was younger, kept messing with it until I could do it as well, took a while to learn. Then I see Nevel hit it one handed or freezing the cue ball and hitting it with a full masse stroke and I want to take up bowling...

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Lastly, this is a concept that comes up when playing 3-cushion and can translate on a pool table as well, although usually just back to the end rail is sufficient. On a 9' table somedays I can do it first or second try and somedays just don't have the stroke. OB is frozen to the rail, slight elevation is sometimes needed, depending on angle of approach and the table, and the cue ball actually curves from the first to second rail and will often hit above the side pocket but I screwed up when trying to show the curve in Cuetable and didn't feel like redoing it...

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Scott
 
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JOEY A. You write some great stuff here for us! Thanks.

Thanks Cleaveland! I hope many of you will tune into the Big Truck show this weekend at the best weekend bar table tournament in the country. www.poolactiontv.com

White Diamond Billiards has this tournament 3 to four times a year and the Calcutta regurlarly goes over $30,000.00.

They've already got 90 players signed up for the weekend and they only take 128 players, so if anyone wants to have a blast at the tournament, contact White Diamonds to get your entry in or just sit back and enjoy the LIVE STREAM this weekend.

JoeyA
 
Good thread, nice break from the CTE discussions... :)

I can consistently make the following shots on a 9' table without sidespin etc. At times, I've hit both where the cue ball not only gets back to the end rail but bounces back out a diamond or two but that's rare and usually not useful in a game either...


I actually practiced this one as part of the progressive draw drills that Bob Jewett has on hiw website. I start out 1 diamond away and try to draw back 1 diamond, then 2 - 2, then 3 - 3, etc., trying to land past the mark but no more than 1 diamond farther. Usually accuracy is better than distance, but pulling the stroke out once in a while is nice too...

CueTable Help




For this one, cue ball is a chalk width from the end rail. Saw some guy hit this when I was younger, kept messing with it until I could do it as well, took a while to learn. Then I see Nevel hit it one handed or freezing the cue ball and hitting it with a full masse stroke and I want to take up bowling...

CueTable Help




Lastly, this is a concept that comes up when playing 3-cushion and can translate on a pool table as well, although usually just back to the end rail is sufficient. On a 9' table somedays I can do it first or second try and somedays just don't have the stroke. OB is frozen to the rail, slight elevation is sometimes needed, depending on angle of approach and the table, and the cue ball actually curves from the first to second rail and will often hit above the side pocket but I screwed up when trying to show the curve in Cuetable and didn't feel like redoing it...

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Scott

Nevel and Jesse Allred (sp?) are freaks when it comes to shots like these.
 
Limits

What a great concept for a thread brother. I have a trick to help me remind myself to play within my limits. I simply recall a hilarious quote from Michael Caine's character in "Dirty Rotten Scoundrels," when he is mentoring Steve Martin's character in the art of conning folks.
The quote is: "KNOW YOUR LIMITS. YOU... ARE A MORON." If you have seen this, you would appreciate it so much more, because eventually they BOTH get conned in the end. Arrogance in pool gets PUNISHED even more so than in daily life. Example? The Color of Money match.
~Again, thanks for a kick a@s thread.
 
What a great concept for a thread brother. I have a trick to help me remind myself to play within my limits. I simply recall a hilarious quote from Michael Caine's character in "Dirty Rotten Scoundrels," when he is mentoring Steve Martin's character in the art of conning folks.
The quote is: "KNOW YOUR LIMITS. YOU... ARE A MORON." If you have seen this, you would appreciate it so much more, because eventually they BOTH get conned in the end. Arrogance in pool gets PUNISHED even more so than in daily life. Example? The Color of Money match.
~Again, thanks for a kick a@s thread.

LOL.

You're welcome bro!
 
To review many different aspects of your limitations see Bob Jewett's Progressive Drills. He has a comprehensive systematic approach that will (or can) challenge any player. The nice thing about Bob's work is that it is easy to do (using a coin on the table). In addition to showing you your limitations, it is also an excellent practice routine. So using Bob's approach you not only know and remember your limits you also can practice as needed and follow your progress over time.

Personally I think that he has the best advanced player's system available. When you have learned how he sets these exercises up you can create your own for new topics that you want to master such as kicks, banks, etc.

You can download his instructions from his web site and take it to the table with you. here is the link

http://www.sfbilliards.com/progpract.pdf
 
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A lot depends upon your equipment, the table you are playing on (cloth, size of pockets, type of pockets etc).

There are lots of drills that are designed to increase your proficiency but I think there is great merit in knowing just what your limitations are, so that you don't go there. For example, on tight pocket Diamond tables with worn cloth, I do not want to try and draw the cue ball four diamonds if the cue ball is already 6 diamonds away from the object ball. I'm just not consistent enough at that distance.

The same thing applies to those side English shots. You might be surprised at what you actually do and what you think you can do on the five ball shot below.

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With just side spin I can widen the angle more than I can with low right. I wouldn't have thought so until I tried this shot many different ways. Maybe it's the angle or maybe it's just my limitations. Anyway, I'm glad to practice the limitation exercises. It's kind of sobering for sure. :)

JoeyA


Joey thats a great shot, I like to also practice these "style" shots with hard inside pounding the rail and taking the curve out the CB, with it just traversing the table side to side. I love love love those shots......i made one on the 3 ball against Bubba in the last White Diamonds event, cut the piss out of the seemingly impossible cut. I feathered it perfectly but the OB had to travel like 1.5, 2 ft. As tight as it was you couldn't get no speed with the clip so I stroked with fusion power and snapped it in. Sounded like i broke the freaking table lol.

I like practicing my cuts by placing the OB one balls width + 1/16" off the center diamond on the short rail. I then take the CB in hand in the corner pocket by the same short rail and I CUT the OB into the side pocket on the long rail. I can move the CB further up the short rail and still make it.........SUPER GREAT DRILL/PRACTICE.........it will teach you to feel edges the balls and see them better, teach you the clip shots.......and the OB ROLLS as its just a edge edge clip so not much momentum is going to be transferred to the OB from the CB so you have to learn so use english and angle to control the rocks track because you have to let the CB "fly" a little sometimes on these shots......that doesn't mean the rock is flying blind tho.

-Grey Ghost-
 
joey thats a great shot, i like to also practice these "style" shots with hard inside pounding the rail and taking the curve out the cb, with it just traversing the table side to side. I love love love those shots......i made one on the 3 ball against bubba in the last white diamonds event, cut the piss out of the seemingly impossible cut. I feathered it perfectly but the ob had to travel like 1.5, 2 ft. As tight as it was you couldn't get no speed with the clip so i stroked with fusion power and snapped it in. Sounded like i broke the freaking table lol.

I like practicing my cuts by placing the ob one balls width + 1/16" off the center diamond on the short rail. I then take the cb in hand in the corner pocket by the same short rail and i cut the ob into the side pocket on the long rail. I can move the cb further up the short rail and still make it.........super great drill/practice.........it will teach you to feel edges the balls and see them better, teach you the clip shots.......and the ob rolls as its just a edge edge clip so not much momentum is going to be transferred to the ob from the cb so you have to learn so use english and angle to control the rocks track because you have to let the cb "fly" a little sometimes on these shots......that doesn't mean the rock is flying blind tho.

-grey ghost-

that's what i'm talkin' about!
You understand the passion in these shots. I like those words, "feel the edges of the balls".

We have to share some drills this weekend at the White Diamond Tournaments. You got it goin' on! lol
 
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To review many different aspects of your limitations see Bob Jewett's Progressive Drills. He has a comprehensive systematic approach that will (or can) challenge any player. The nice thing about Bob's work is that it is easy to do (using a coin on the table). In addition to showing you your limitations, it is also an excellent practice routine. So using Bob's approach you not only know and remember your limits you also can practice as needed and follow your progress over time.

Personally I think that he has the best advanced player's system available. When you have learned how he sets these exercises up you can create your own for new topics that you want to master such as kicks, banks, etc.

You can download his instructions from his web site and take it to the table with you. here is the link

http://www.sfbilliards.com/progpract.pdf

Bob has many resources on his website, FREE OF CHARGE. This is a great one. Thanks for bringing it up Joe.

JoeyA
 
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