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Sorry if I wasn’t clear, I meant the cf vs wood debate.
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So why does Predator persist with a format none of the players, and most knowledgeable spectators like?
I personally think they're trying to stand out with the general public. Most sports have an overtime of some sort, maybe that's what they're trying to do?
I knew what you meant. Speaking on the mixed doubles why wasn't Cheska and Carlo no involved? That would have been a great team.
Here's a thread from time immemorial that indicates that a no-deflection or even negative-deflection shaft is possible: https://forums.azbilliards.com/threads/tiger-no-deflection-shaft.308754/
[Maybe start with post #11.]
i wondered about that too. i suppose they have to put the lid on at some point. note that the mixed event isn't going by nationality, it's just mixed pairs of any type, friends, siblings, etc.
Don't scare me like that again?
Differentiation of its product...a twist not seen elsewhere.
Yep they're experimenting, hopefully listening to all avenues of complaint.
Like the NFL now, considering changing the kickoff completely, idea from XFL league.
THIS SOUNDS EXCITING.
XFL's kickoff rule compared to the NFL's current kickoff model.
XFL: Kicker lines up at his 30-yard line, with the 10 other members of the kickoff team lining up at the opponent's 35 -- 5 yards away from the returning team. The kicker and returner are the only players who can move until the ball is fielded. Touchbacks are placed at the 35-yard line.
NFL: Kicking team lines up at its 35-yard line, with eight returning team members within 15 yards. Double-team blocks are prohibited. Touchbacks are placed at the 25-yard line.
If the Predator format became popular with the public, I'd be fine with it. If it doesn't, Predator will change the format.
Ultimately these events have to succeed commercially to be sustainable.
I don't mind sets myself. The format also seems to lead to somewhat shorter matches than Race to whatever. While I might like races to 11 or 13, it's probably too much for the general public.
Nine-ball is faster than 10 ball, so races to 9 or 11 don't seem quite as long.
Pool should and is experimenting. We fans are part of the conversation, so people should express their opinions, pro or con, on this site.
Ultimately these events have to succeed commercially to be sustainable.
I don't mind sets myself. The format also seems to lead to somewhat shorter matches than Race to whatever. While I might like races to 11 or 13, it's probably too much for the general public.
Nine-ball is faster than 10 ball, so races to 9 or 11 don't seem quite as long.
Pool should and is experimenting. We fans are part of the conversation, so people should express their opinions, pro or con, on this site.
Trying to develop a format they can sell to a large platform/advertisers…
Lou Figueroa
just a guess
Chezka is my new favorite player because of her aggression and the speed at which she plays. Seoa Seo had a great strategy to slow her down and it appeared to be working. Until it didn't. Blink once and Chezka has already finished off her foe.
By the way, you can't say player X was better because she won 10 games to 8 for her opponent in a three-set match. Players are playing to the format. So their strategies are different than if it was a simple Race to 11.
By the way, you can't say player X was better because she won 10 games to 8 for her opponent in a three-set match. Players are playing to the format. So their strategies are different than if it was a simple Race to 11.
I'm guessing it's because they hold these events in conjunction with the league tournaments. Every time I'm there watching the people seem to love it. I think there is one good thing about it. Until the last ball is pocketed, either player still has a reasonable chance to win. You can get shut out 4-0 in the first set, then get down 3-0 in the second set, and all you need is a couple rolls to get to the third set and take it down. I like that.
Back in 1987 the Peter Vitalie Invitational 9-Ball format was Two Out of Three Sets, each set a Race to Seven. It was a Single Elimination tournament as well, starting with 64 players (four women in the field). We played winner breaks. It was to be a prototype for a pro tour, which unfortunately never got off the ground. The matches were very interesting with many going to a third set. The fans loved it, and the players also seemed to like the format. They got a lot of play for their money, and a loss in the first set (even 7-0 or 7-1) could be overcome. Every round the prize money went up starting with 750 if you won one match. The losing finalist got 7,500 and the champion won 15,000. Good prize money back then.
We played the tournament in the Biltmore Hotel in downtown L.A. in a large meeting room called the Biltmore Bowl. It was a semi circle shaped room with comfortable built in seating for 1,500. All good seats with an elevation gain from the front to the back. Every morning there was a line from the ticket office down the long hallway and up the curving staircase with people waiting to get in. Maybe a few hundred in line before we opened each day. Tickets were $10 for the day and night sessions. We played five days with nine "gates." Two each day until the final day with only one entrance for the semis and finals. Price went up to $20 on the last day. We sold over a thousand tickets each of the first two days, and over 2,000 a day on Friday and Saturday and 1,000 more on Sunday (it was one gate only). You do the math!
The entry fee was 500 each for 32,000 and we added 32,000 for a 64K purse. The overall expenses to produce the tournament were about 60K. We actually turned a small profit and I was paid $2,500 as TD, my biggest pay check to date. There were maybe ten or twelve vendors outside who each paid 500 for their booth and we garnered over 25K in sponsorship. The Peter Vitalie pool tables (eight of them) were each sold for 3K, plus arena banners went for 500 each. I produced a souvenir program and sold about 5,000 in Ads. The programs sold for $2 each and we sold maybe 500 of them. We printed 2,000 programs and lost money there. This was the event that taught me that a pool tournament could be profitable if done right. The ballroom cost us 1,500 a day! And the hotel owned the bar and food sold there.
Everybody (with a few exceptions!) had a good time and left happy. Miz won about 2,000 and said he couldn't even pay his expenses. Of course he stayed at the Biltmore Hotel (100/day for a week) and ate in their restaurants every day. Ah, memories
We played the tournament in the Biltmore Hotel in downtown L.A. in a large meeting room called the Biltmore Bowl. It was a semi circle shaped room with comfortable built in seating for 1,500. All good seats with an elevation gain from the front to the back. Every morning there was a line from the ticket office down the long hallway and up the curving staircase with people waiting to get in. Maybe a few hundred in line before we opened each day. Tickets were $10 for the day and night sessions. We played five days with nine "gates." Two each day until the final day with only one entrance for the semis and finals. Price went up to $20 on the last day. We sold over a thousand tickets each of the first two days, and over 2,000 a day on Friday and Saturday and 1,000 more on Sunday (it was one gate only). You do the math!
The entry fee was 500 each for 32,000 and we added 32,000 for a 64K purse. The overall expenses to produce the tournament were about 60K. We actually turned a small profit and I was paid $2,500 as TD, my biggest pay check to date. There were maybe ten or twelve vendors outside who each paid 500 for their booth and we garnered over 25K in sponsorship. The Peter Vitalie pool tables (eight of them) were each sold for 3K, plus arena banners went for 500 each. I produced a souvenir program and sold about 5,000 in Ads. The programs sold for $2 each and we sold maybe 500 of them. We printed 2,000 programs and lost money there. This was the event that taught me that a pool tournament could be profitable if done right. The ballroom cost us 1,500 a day! And the hotel owned the bar and food sold there.
Everybody (with a few exceptions!) had a good time and left happy. Miz won about 2,000 and said he couldn't even pay his expenses. Of course he stayed at the Biltmore Hotel (100/day for a week) and ate in their restaurants every day. Ah, memories
The hotel was probably delighted with the turnout and exposure. I imagine you got local TV mentions. I bet you could have gotten a better deal in a second event.
We got great coverage in the L.A. Times (two major stories and daily results posted). I sent them the daily results/scores every evening and they printed them the next day. Same with other local newspapers (Long Beach Telegram, Riverside Press Enterprise). I also sent the results to local TV stations and some of them reported on our tournament, if only for a few seconds each night. There was no internet back then, so we needed the press coverage to get the word out. The L.A. Times was key and we ran a couple of small Ads in the sports section the week prior to the tournament and had one article appear the day before the tournament began. It worked and word-of-mouth took care of the rest.