Last two balls frozen on rail - What would you do?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTDXFD3iASo&feature=youtu.be

I spent 20 minutes trying two of the shots on this thread.

Up to minute 11 is the way Mohrt diagrammed. From 11:20 on is the way JJ diagramed.

Some of them became battles against myself, lol. I'll admit the way Mohrt diagrammed was more difficult to execute in such a way not to leave an easy return. It might be my skill level (high C to low B). I think if both balls weren't frozen, the shot would work a lot better, because it would have been less likely to leave both balls parallel and on the rail after the shot.

JJ's shot worked great the more I tried it. I even made it once or twice. The first couple times I hit it I got a double kiss. But as I learned the hit, it came closer to banking in the hole, and even went once or twice. Even with the double kiss, it worked out well.

Anyway, it was fun to try. I feel I learned a lot from both shots.
 
RunoutJJ said:
I rather give my opponent a VERY hard shot with no real safe option (unless they get really lucky which does happen from time to time) then to botch a safe or leave them out.

If you put a player in a DONT MISS situation then Im willing to bet 9/10 they're gonna lose with the shot I posted. Again im not saying my shot is the best option (there a ton of great shots you can play here) but 7/3 are really good odds don't you think??

Also you have to consider the fact that if this player just gives you BIH as a move its almost down right cheating and stupid!!! Do you really think that they can beat you at that point?? I love it when players pull this crap. I make they pay each and every time and it great watching them get pissed off about it :lol::lol::lol:
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I would give 10-1 odds Mohrt will shoot his shot and you will be the 11 ball. If you can win one out of 10 games you win the bet. You will not win.

JC
 
when the bridge is shorter than the distance between the cue ball and the object ball

JC said:
Mohrt's shot is the correct answer for skilled players. You would be amazed how many intermediates do not know how to shorten up their bridge and stroke to control this shot though. They want to dink the ball and you still see a 12 inch bridge and a 10 inch back swing. Not saying you cannot execute it like this with proper finesse but why work so hard?

JC
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Yes, actually when the bridge is shorter than the distance between the cue ball and the object ball there is a very unlikely chance of fouling and it's very accurate.

Even advanced players don't know that if there's only an inch (or less) between the cue ball / object ball you can make a "one inch bridge" and actually stroke the shot and draw the cue ball if needed.

I showed this techniques to a group of super advanced players from New York in Vegas last year, and none of them has seen it before. No matter what you may hear there are many shots in pool that haven't quite been made "public". 'The Game is still the Teacher'
 
I posted a video of me shooting this shot. This shot *should* be as simple as a straight-in shot, ie. success *every* time. If it is not, practice the shot until it becomes so. This is not a hard shot!

http://youtu.be/Z4vqPSxmqdA

[edit] Comparing this with the other shot where the CB and 8B are sent up table, in that situation your opponent is nearly guaranteed a hit on his 11. He will probably never try an offensive shot, he will nudge that 11 and leave you long and/or tough cut on that 8 ball. I'd rather completely lock him up and make him kick at the 11, giving me BIH or an easy shot on my 8, or at the very least another opportunity to play safe.
 
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mohrt said:
I posted a video of me shooting this shot. This shot *should* be as simple as a straight-in shot, ie. success *every* time. If it is not, practice the shot until it becomes so. This is not a hard shot!

http://youtu.be/Z4vqPSxmqdA

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I do not consider that to be a good shot Mohrt. You drove the 11 too near the corner pocket. Probably a winner but I have made this mistake and gotten my butt "kicked". You make the 11 ball a lot bigger to kick at when it's near that corner. My 10-1 is now down to 5-1. :)

JC
 
I didn't read the entire thread but I'll give my opinion having been in this situation many times.

If I wanted to guarantee a win here It would take a few ball in hands to position the balls to the point where I would finally push his ball away and wedge the cue ball between the eight ball and the rail. By doing this it would take most kicks away and prevent him from rolling the eight ball back onto his ball.

The only possible kicks for him would be (using the diagram of the balls as shown) to use some extreme left hand English and strike the long rail on the left and to masse back to his ball one rail. The other kick is to load up the cue ball with left spin and hit the long rail on the left and go around the table four rails. Both kicks, even for the most skilled players, are extremely difficult.
 
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JC said:
I would give 10-1 odds Mohrt will shoot his shot and you will be the 11 ball. If you can win one out of 10 games you win the bet. You will not win.

JC
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Wow bro I never said anything about Mohrt's shot not being a good shot!! You really think I couldn't win more than one out of 10 games?? Thats some serious brass you got there. I may not be a to flight guy but im no slouch either. Sweesh :eek:
 
RunoutJJ said:
Wow bro I never said anything about Mohrt's shot not being a good shot!! You really think I couldn't win more than one out of 10 games?? Thats some serious brass you got there. I may not be a to flight guy but im no slouch either. Sweesh :eek:
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Hey I saw Mohrt execute it and now it's down to 5-1.:sorry:

JC
 
JC said:
Hey I saw Mohrt execute it and now it's down to 5-1.:sorry:

JC
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:angry: :lol:


Mohrt shot is good against players that pick up the cueball and surrender it to you. More than sure that that player wont beat that spot. Now if your playing a person that can "PLAY" then yes it may not be the best shot but this came up against a weak player.
 
You boys see my video? lol. I just tried it again a few times after seeing Mohrts, and I could not get the same result he did. (I didn't video the new attempts).
 
iusedtoberich said:
You boys see my video? lol. I just tried it again a few times after seeing Mohrts, and I could not get the same result he did. (I didn't video the new attempts).
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I got Mohrt's execution now. I was hitting the 8 too full. If I cut it a hair, the CB ends up hugging it like in his video, and the two balls point towards the rail. I like this a lot. I just hit it 5 times in a row with great results to prevent sending the 8 on the 11 again due to the angle.
 
The only problem I have with the frozen safe on the 8 is this. The 8 ball is still closer to the 11 and on the rail. Say your opponent kicks at the 11 and come across the side of it lightly and leave it in front of the pocket... Then the cueball hits the end rail and goes up table. This was my point about losing to a lucky roll. It doesnt happen often but it suck when it does.



So here the player kicks at the 11 and barely hits the right edge and pushes the 11 closer to the pocket.



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This is what "could" be left if this happens...



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JC said:
I do not consider that to be a good shot Mohrt. You drove the 11 too near the corner pocket. Probably a winner but I have made this mistake and gotten my butt "kicked". You make the 11 ball a lot bigger to kick at when it's near that corner. My 10-1 is now down to 5-1. :)

JC
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I suppose I could move the 11 a little less, but IMHO better than leaving an open shot on the 11.
 
RunoutJJ said:
The only problem I have with the frozen safe on the 8 is this. The 8 ball is still closer to the 11 and on the rail. Say your opponent kicks at the 11 and come across the side of it lightly and leave it in front of the pocket... Then the cueball hits the end rail and goes up table. This was my point about losing to a lucky roll. It doesnt happen often but it suck when it does.



So here the player kicks at the 11 and barely hits the right edge and pushes the 11 closer to the pocket.



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This is what "could" be left if this happens...



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Sure anything can happen. It's all about maximizing your own chances of winning. Making them kick at the 11 is pretty strong.
 
mohrt said:
Sure anything can happen. It's all about maximizing your own chances of winning. Making them kick at the 11 is pretty strong.
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Absolutely agree.


You know what shot on the 11 I would've tired in that video you posted?? Masse bend off the side rail. Just because it looked on and would've on been pretty fricking sweet :lol:
 
RunoutJJ said:
Absolutely agree.


You know what shot on the 11 I would've tired in that video you posted?? Masse bend off the side rail. Just because it looked on and would've on been pretty fricking sweet :lol:
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Whatever you like, have at it! :)
 
mohrt said:
I suppose I could move the 11 a little less, but IMHO better than leaving an open shot on the 11.
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Like I said, probably a winner but often I have shot a cinch safety lazily, not paying attention to the fine details and come out on the short end because of it. And these failures add up over time. Why give them any air?

JC
 
RunoutJJ said:
Absolutely agree.


You know what shot on the 11 I would've tired in that video you posted?? Masse bend off the side rail. Just because it looked on and would've on been pretty fricking sweet :lol:
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Yup, sweet for the railbirds. You're back to a 10-1 dog now:wink:

JC
 
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