Lathes & beginners

GoldCrown

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I'm currently deciding on a lathe to fit my needs. For now I'd like to tip & refinish shafts, clean up house cues in my community Billiard Room. And expand to small repairs as I move on. Will be for a hobby only. Not looking to make money.
I have no experience with a lathe. I'm starting from scratch. To the people that bought a lathe for fun and hobby that also had no experience how far did you get. Was it difficult to understand how to use it. Did your knowledge grow. Did you buy the right lathe...did you upgrade...sell....not use it. Did you discover a hidden talent. Tell me about your experience. Thanks. Frank
 
If you can swing it , a Hightower Mid size . I think its bullet proof . tsp&b has some nice stuff also . Good Luck Bud . Jim
 
I started because the local guy got an out of town job.
I had zero experience when I ordered my first lathe.
That was many moons ago now,
I too reccomend a mid size cuesmith.
I also reccomend a 6' bed, especially if you want to do house cues.
 
If you can swing it , a Hightower Mid size . I think its bullet proof . tsp&b has some nice stuff also . Good Luck Bud . Jim
Thanks JB.
I started because the local guy got an out of town job.
I had zero experience when I ordered my first lathe.
That was many moons ago now,
I too reccomend a mid size cuesmith.
I also reccomend a 6' bed, especially if you want to do house cues.

Thanks for your reply. I watched some of your you-tube vids. Thanks for posting them.
 
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GoldCrown,
Do you have any woodworking experience or other DIY kinds of experience? It does take some mechanical aptitude, curiosity, and interest to learn to use a lathe. You seem to have the interest and curiosity, but if drill presses and table saws and other machines like that are foreign to you, it seems to me that woodturning will be a little bit more difficult to learn.
IMHO
Gary
 
GoldCrown,
Do you have any woodworking experience or other DIY kinds of experience? It does take some mechanical aptitude, curiosity, and interest to learn to use a lathe. You seem to have the interest and curiosity, but if drill presses and table saws and other machines like that are foreign to you, it seems to me that woodturning will be a little bit more difficult to learn.
IMHO
Gary

I appreciate your post. I am a dental tech by trade and a bit of a DIY'r. I have better hands than brains. I have the skill to use tools.I sat in front of a Baldor lathe and Dremel tool for over 40 years. I think I was put on earth to help my friends and neighbors out with their small home repairs and projects. I have been hand tipping cues and do a decent application. A lathe looks interesting. If I thought I was going to buy one and lose interest I would pass. I know myself by now(I think).
My concern is I have no one to get me started. I'm a "safety first" operator. I need to be walked through the opening stages so I can prevent accidents/injury or damage to the equipment. Is there a Cue Lathes for Dummies book?
I have done some wood projects and refinishing. There's nothing more satisfying than a beautifully done piece of wood.
 
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Buy Chris Hightowers http://www.cuesmith.com/ book and DVD's and I promise you will have no trouble doing any repair or even building one. Joe Barringer http://www/cuecomponents.com also offers vidoes but I don't own them but I am sure they cover everything too.
Thanks DB. My first need would be info on operating the lathe. General basic instructions. Mounting a shaft, butt or one piece properly.
 
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Best thing to do is go for it. Buy some cheap dowl wood from Home Depot, practice cutting to 13MM, thread, put on cheap ferrules and cheap tips. Cut everything off at 3-4 inches, drill a hole and you have key chains. Unless you do big damage with the lathe you can always sell it for a couple few hundred dollar loss.

If you can't afford to bite a couple few hundred loss stay away from it. The only way you will truly know if its right for you is to try. Good luck no matter which way you go.
 
Best thing to do is go for it. Buy some cheap dowl wood from Home Depot, practice cutting to 13MM, thread, put on cheap ferrules and cheap tips. Cut everything off at 3-4 inches, drill a hole and you have key chains. Unless you do big damage with the lathe you can always sell it for a couple few hundred dollar loss.

If you can't afford to bite a couple few hundred loss stay away from it. The only way you will truly know if its right for you is to try. Good luck no matter which way you go.

Thanks for the push TH.
 
Thanks for the push TH.

Tom is right. I don't even know how many lathes I have sold Tom since he started back in the 90's let alone the other equipment he has picked up through the years of starting, selling moving and buying again to start back up.

So when he says you will lose a little money selling your equipment used he is right. And from experience I can tell you the average loss is close to a third selling it used.

One of the best cue repairman I know was also an apprentice dental tech making dentures in his brother's lab. That guy is really good with his hands. So if you are anywhere near as good with your hands as he is, learning how to use a cue lathe should be fairly easy.
 
Your starting point should be Chris Hightower's book, especially if $1000 concerns you. That is a drop in the bucket. But Chris' book will give you the knowledge to start at your own financial needs. His book can help you see inexpensive ways to do things yourself and how and where to invest your money. It will also be a "wake-up call" of sorts to see both how you can do it, but also how much you have yet to learn.

Reading this forum and learning how to search it is a close second. Knowledgeable Cm's post here all the time. Be careful, there are sometimes misleading info (learn whose comments to heed and whose to ignore). It wont take long to figure out.

If your still interested buy the DVDs when you get the lathe and all the needed tooling. They are good to go along with the book and and AZ searching. But not a shortcut for necessary study and self reflection, because everyone can learn from others but have to learn their own ways.

Daren
 
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you might

check around your area for builders or repair men that use hightowers lathe and ask if you could come over for a visit so you can get a hands on look at the set-up and how it works. [ offer to bring the beer ] and just bs about how the lathe works. i am sure any az members in your area would help....
 
I'm ok with the cost of what I buy. Regardless of how much I use the lathe I'm ok with it. Not concerned with trying to sell it if . At this point I want to buy the right lathe. I do not have a lot of space and I will most likely take it with me to Florida for the Winter.
Portability is a factor.
Here's my immediate goal. Re-tip, refinish shafts, clean/tip 1piece cues.
After that: wraps, ferrules, make a sneaky from a house cue. Not interested in making cues. What is the best all around small lathe to fit my needs. I'd like to stay around $7-$1200 (can go a bit higher). Will buy a suction unit aside from the cost of the lathe.
I have a woodworking friend. He could help me somewhat.

Thanks for everyone's help. I'm fairly new here. It's nice to be on a forum with a great group of sharing people. Made some nice contacts and friends on AzB. Found an instructor I enjoy working with. Found a Table Tech. And Seyberts for cues and stuff.
This place rocks.
 
Frank,

I recently purchased a used Mid America Pool lathe with 4' bed that Todd sells. So far I have used it to retip, replace ferrules, replace tenon (required purchase of drill chuck) and we have cleaned shafts. If will also accomodate a house cue although we have not put a house cue in it, we have used a 2 pc pawn shop $5 cue and it spun full length just fine to do tip work. That cue has been invaluable to practice tipping, ferrules, and tenon replacements.

The lathe is light weight and affordable. Todd's customer service is as good as everyone has indicated. I feel this was the perfect fit for my partner and I to learn and within a week our workmanship is good enough that I would do other players work. The correct tools make the learning curve quite a bit easier.

In order to make 2 pc cues from house cues and to do butt cap work, the large bore headstock would be required, but that could be an expansion later down the road. On thing I would really recommend is some form of DVD for learning. The process is not hard, but overlooking a small step can have big consequences. For instance, my first tip I didn't have completely centered and it took a LONG time to get the tip flush to the ferrule.

Good luck and have fun, it is a pretty cool experience learning how to do repair work.
 
Frank,

I recently purchased a used Mid America Pool lathe with 4' bed that Todd sells. So far I have used it to retip, replace ferrules, replace tenon (required purchase of drill chuck) and we have cleaned shafts. If will also accomodate a house cue although we have not put a house cue in it, we have used a 2 pc pawn shop $5 cue and it spun full length just fine to do tip work. That cue has been invaluable to practice tipping, ferrules, and tenon replacements.

The lathe is light weight and affordable. Todd's customer service is as good as everyone has indicated. I feel this was the perfect fit for my partner and I to learn and within a week our workmanship is good enough that I would do other players work. The correct tools make the learning curve quite a bit easier.

In order to make 2 pc cues from house cues and to do butt cap work, the large bore headstock would be required, but that could be an expansion later down the road. On thing I would really recommend is some form of DVD for learning. The process is not hard, but overlooking a small step can have big consequences. For instance, my first tip I didn't have completely centered and it took a LONG time to get the tip flush to the ferrule.

Good luck and have fun, it is a pretty cool experience learning how to do repair work.

This is the same lathe I bought when I was in your shoes. Great lathe for doing exactly what you mentioned you were interested in doing.. It is also very portable.. I mainly keep it in my "work shop", but I've taken it over to the place I own from time to time. Problem with that is that EVERYBODY will be all over you watching and wanting something done (lol), especially if there isn't anyone in your local area who's does tips and shafts (like my area). So forget about shooting any pool that night... . I suggest you start out on some junk shafts. Practice with some cheap tips (Buy a box of 50 LePro's. They are like $.50 each, and good to practice with). Then do some cheap layered tips for practice, because 95% of the tips I sell and install are layered tips. What yours will be depends on your areas demographics. My local customer base is mainly in my age bracket (I'm 39) 20-50yrs old, and don't fret spending $15-$30 to get a good tip installed. The older guys generally do, but usually are set in their ways with LePro's, Triangles, Elk Masters, etc.., and either have learned to do them themselves over the years, or have someone they've been using forever to do tips. So I do not do a lot of the single layered tips, but I have them in stock just in case.
Watch as many videos on doing tips as you can, you will get a lot of good pointers from them. Everybody does their tips a little different, so don't worry about doing them to some industry standard. You will find what works for you in time....
But practice practice practice before you start doing work for other people. Make sure you are 100% comfortable at what your doing, because if you screw up someone's ferrule or shaft, your gonna be responsible for it to either fix it, get it fixed, or replace it. That can be a very expensive error, that your responsible for...
My last bit of advice is to NOT do stuff for free (unless it's for kids and stuff). Charge something, anything, but charge a fee for your services. I stress this because in time you will have SOOO many people wanting stuff done for free that you will start to actually HATE doing it. I know your intentions are not profit motivated, and are more of a good will gesture for your area, but that will do a 180 on you if you don't compensate yourself in some small way. You will feel just as good doing things for a few bucks for your friends as you would for free, and the feeling and desire to do so will be there much much longer. Remember, your STILL doing them a really good favor if you charge even $5-$10 labor for a tip install...

Good luck, and I will gladly answer any questions you ever have (and I'm sure most others on here are as well), so don't hesitate to ask if you need something...

Rain-Man
 
Lathe stands for a Mid Size lathe. Is there an ideal height? I'd like to get a slim one ....just big enough securely mount a lathe. PennState Inds. has one but it's a bit low...31". Horror Fright has one but the reviews flame it. Suggestions on what and where to get one. Sears, HD, Lowes? Thanks
 
I found the most sturdy woodworking bench that I could and made it to my dimensions. It works fine. You can find many on youtube.

For buying a 48" bench top, I believe Shop Fox (on Grizzly's site) has a solid built leg system, but be sure to check it for damage during shipping. I've heard that the company doesn't do a good job of handling them before shipping. But, those people with problems were able to get a good set when they sent back to the company. This was either Shop Fox, Jet or Grizzly. Not sure which.

For me, diy is preferred, unless some company can built something better.
 
I would recommend spending a few extra $$$ on a sears workbench. They're sturdy, solid wood top, don't change levelness every time the humidity changes, and, most importantly, have plenty of room to put all the supplies you will realize you need to go with a repair lathe, and will work well when you upgrade to building cues.....everyone knows you will>>>:thumbup: It's a sickness we cannot fight and win..lol.
As far as lathes, Both Chris and Todd build a great product, and are both awesome people to deal with....they don't sell just to make their wallet fatter, they are about helping other repairmen/cuebuilders. Goodluck, and happy sawdust making.
Dave
 
How about suction. Let's say in the area of $2-$300. Any good mini units?.
 
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