LD shaft users and custom cues

WillyCornbread

Break and One
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I've been using a Predator shaft for awhile now and I'm starting to look for a used cue from a custom maker - I want something nice and unique.

I keep hesitating to pull the trigger because I'm concerned that I'm so used to the LD shafts that my game will suffer with any custom no matter how nice.

I'm curious what other LD using folks have done - did you have matching rings put on your favorite LD brand, just adjust or what?

It's bumming me out - I've seen a few Tascarella's for sale that have me interested...

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I've been using a Predator shaft for awhile now and I'm starting to look for a used cue from a custom maker - I want something nice and unique.

I keep hesitating to pull the trigger because I'm concerned that I'm so used to the LD shafts that my game will suffer with any custom no matter how nice.

I'm curious what other LD using folks have done - did you have matching rings put on your favorite LD brand, just adjust or what?

It's bumming me out - I've seen a few Tascarella's for sale that have me interested...

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I used to have the rings matched from 314's to my JossWest cue, but I changed shafts several times and didn't bother re-doing the rings. I don't think anybody notices and I sure don't.

The shaft is the most important part of the cue as far your own performance. I am totally in favor of finding a cue you like and having your shaft adapted to it. My JW has about 10 shafts, 2 originals, OB Classics, Predator Z2's and now Tiger Pro X. I've had the Tiger shafts since they were introduced - have settled in with them and and I will not change from them anytime in the near future.

In each case I had the LD shafts custom fitted to my cue - that way the joint and alignment are perfect.
 
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I used to have the rings matched from 314's to my JossWest cue, but I changed shafts several times and didn't bother re-doing the rings. I don't think anybody notices and I sure don't.

The shaft is the most important part of the cue as far your own performance. I am totally in favor of finding a cue you like and having your shaft adapted to it. My JW has about 10 shafts, 2 originals, OB Classics, Predator Z2's and now Tiger Pro X. I've had the Tiger shafts since they were introduced - have settled in with them and and I will not change from them anytime in the near future.

In each case I had the LD shafts custom fitted to my cue - that way the joint and alignment are perfect.


Here you go. Easy peezy.
 
yeah, i'm having a new cue made and when he's ready, i'm sending my used LD shaft out to him to match up the rings.I am having one regular shaft made as well.
 
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It's bumming me out - I've seen a few Tascarella's for sale that have me interested...

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Don't be bummed out. Once you come out of the darkness of
the LD world and experience the awesomeness of a well made
solid maple shaft with superior woods as opposed to laminated
inferior woods you'll never go back.
I was into LDs big time. Then got tired of chasing that rainbow.
Now I just play the shafts that come with each cue and the cue
plays as the maker had intended.
Nothing muted, it's all there.
Yup.....I done said it....and I'd say it again.

Edit: by the way after dropping the LD's my game did NOT go
backwards at all, if anything it got better. So the notion that
LD's somehow "help your game" is something I personally
absolutely do not believe in.
Just get used to your equipment and your game goes up.
 
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Don't be bummed out. Once you come out of the darkness of
the LD world and experience the awesomeness of a well made
solid maple shaft with superior woods as opposed to laminated
inferior woods you'll never go back.
I was into LDs big time. Then got tired of chasing that rainbow.
Now I just play the shafts that come with each cue and the cue
plays as the maker had intended.
Nothing muted, it's all there.
Yup.....I done said it....and I'd say it again.

Edit: by the way after dropping the LD's my game did NOT go
backwards at all, if anything it got better. So the notion that
LD's somehow "help your game" is something I personally
do absolutely not believe in.
Just get used to your equipment and your game goes up.

ummmmm, we used solid maple shafts for years and decades, then decided there just might be something better...and there was. Not for everyone of course, but then again, I don't care that some folks use metal bats, and others use wood.

What ever gets the job done. Then again, and LD shaft is about the same price as a maple shaft anyways... not like it's costing any more money. Plus, when we sell our custom cue the next buyer will get a brand new, unused shaft, and we'll get a LOT more for the cue. It's win/win actually. Thus, the LD paid for itself :grin-square:
 
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I've been using a Predator shaft for awhile now and I'm starting to look for a used cue from a custom maker - I want something nice and unique.

I keep hesitating to pull the trigger because I'm concerned that I'm so used to the LD shafts that my game will suffer with any custom no matter how nice.

I'm curious what other LD using folks have done - did you have matching rings put on your favorite LD brand, just adjust or what?

It's bumming me out - I've seen a few Tascarella's for sale that have me interested...

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You are the only person who is going to know if you like a cue or not..

Almost any cue repair person and cue maker can make you a non laminated LD shaft.
Or fit up a factory laminated LD blank ..
I can only say that when I switched back to a good solid maple shaft that was what made me happy.

To bad you didn't live closer I could let you try out some of cues and the different shafts I have.

It might give you a Idea what you do or don't like.
Everyone that sales custom cues normally can help you, but at the same time they do sale cues and some of the cues are good cues and sale themselves....

You should know in the first 3 strokes. Good cues stand out, don't pay attention to brand names as much as much as how does the cue feel how do you like the hit.
And how do you like how the cue looks .

Good luck .
 
ive been using a Mike Gullyssay custom cue butt with a LD mezz hpII shaft for so many years and I'm loving it.

I don't use ringwork, my cue butt got just a black joint which is perfect for me, then I only order a black collar shaft and i'm good to go.

sometimes there wont be black collar ring available on shafts, so I just take the white ring and even tho it doesn't match, i dont care, i really dont care about looks as much as feel, all I need is a collar joint that measures .840 which will fit perfectly with the butt / shaft, then i'm good to go.

and yea the mezz shafts are great, been using hpII for ages but now i'm considering switching to try out the new mezz LD shaft, can't remember its name.
 
I had a bought a 314 partial after they first came out in the 90's and had it fitted to my Joe Childs. After so long playing the same equipment it just feels natural now.
 
Thanks

Thanks for the replies folks, it's very helpful...

I was planning on selling my Predator and shafts to fund the new cue purchase, but I'm going to just buy a new one, play with the solid shafts for a bit and see how it effects my game in order to then decide if I should have the 314-3's matched or not.

I wish I could go to SBE this year, but I'll have to settle for searching for cuemakers that are near me that I can meet at Steinway or somewhere in the city...

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Don't be bummed out. Once you come out of the darkness of
the LD world and experience the awesomeness of a well made
solid maple shaft with superior woods as opposed to laminated
inferior woods you'll never go back.
I was into LDs big time. Then got tired of chasing that rainbow.
Now I just play the shafts that come with each cue and the cue
plays as the maker had intended.
Nothing muted, it's all there.
Yup.....I done said it....and I'd say it again.

Edit: by the way after dropping the LD's my game did NOT go
backwards at all, if anything it got better. So the notion that
LD's somehow "help your game" is something I personally
absolutely do not believe in.
Just get used to your equipment and your game goes up.

This is some great advice, I think especially true for those that don't get a lot of playing time. For those better players LD is more noticeable I'm sure.
 
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Also, try a regular shaft that is smaller than 13mm too. A skinnier shaft is naturally lower deflection. I was playing 12.75mm LD shafts for a while, then went to 11.75mm LD shafts. Thm I got a custom cue with 12.75mm shafts and loved it but never did warm up to the feel of the shafts and kept playing with my LD shaft for a while.

A while ago I had a 12mm shaft built to match my cue and I absolutely love it! Th feel is perfect and the amount of deflection just seems natural to me so I find it even easier to compensate for than LD shafts.
 
Im having a custom Pechauer made right now with their plus lite shaft. Hit with one a while back and really liked it. :)
 
Im having a custom Pechauer made right now with their plus lite shaft. Hit with one a while back and really liked it. :)

(Scene 3, TATE, looking sympathetic, with a heavy, aristocratic British accent)

"Certainly appropriate for those stuck in the 700 to 800 Fargo rating range.

When you exceed that, may I suggest a private consultation for a more, shall we say, appropriate shaft?"
 
I've been using a Predator shaft for awhile now and I'm starting to look for a used cue from a custom maker - I want something nice and unique.

I keep hesitating to pull the trigger because I'm concerned that I'm so used to the LD shafts that my game will suffer with any custom no matter how nice.

I'm curious what other LD using folks have done - did you have matching rings put on your favorite LD brand, just adjust or what?

It's bumming me out - I've seen a few Tascarella's for sale that have me interested...

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I was in your shoes when I bought my custom. Had been playing for 10+ years with LDs, starting out with moderately low LDs (Meucci Red Dots and an original 314), and then running through a gamut of various LDs over the years.

When I bought my new cue, I agonized over what LD I was going to use and how much I would have to spend to get matching rings, etc. I settled at first by getting a small cross-joint extension to fit my butt to my LD shafts (the pins were different). It played ok but I felt that something still wasn't right.

I loved the way the original shafts hit and balanced but was afraid to switch to a maple shaft. My friend, a very high amateur who learned on maple shafts told me that if I made the switch, "It will take you a year to make the adjustment." I play almost everyday and compete in tournaments weekly, and I didn't want to hear that from him.

Long story short, he turned out to be dead right. After I finally committed to making the switch, I took lumps for a long time. Losing to players my speed regularly. Losing to players under me often. Never beating any stronger players, ever. I swallowed many bitter pills, just shook my opponents' hands, congratulated them and never said a word.

I worked and played on, and over time my game gradually came back. After that year mark, I'm playing at my original level again. Going deep in tournaments, cashing high at times. I finally won a small one. I win a lot more now, and sometimes upset stronger players at times.

You will go through a lot a phases and ups and downs. You will think you are in the clear at times, and then suddenly crash. It took the whole year because that is how long it takes a regular player to completely retrain your long-honed instincts and ingrain the new ones. I don't think many players would want to go through this and you have to be really motivated and humble to change if you are an experienced player.

I'll leave you with this: When I played with LDs, I was always on the hunt for the next shaft out there. I was looking for something that had better feel and that aimed like the way I was accustomed to. In the end, the feeling that I was truly after was the hit of a good solid maple shaft. That was my solution, not saying that it would be the same for anybody else. I no longer have any desire to find that "magic" cue, it is already in my hands.

Also, in retrospect I would say that anyone thinking that buying either this or that shaft will improve their level are fooling themselves. Believe me, I've been through them all and any bumps in my game were ephemeral. The best way to improve your skills is through gaining knowledge, hard hours of practice and competition, and being realistic about your weaknesses and working doggedly to turn them into your strengths.

Find that cue that feels right in your hands (you will know it the first few hits), buy it no matter the price, and run with it for years. That is the first step towards being consistent.
 
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I've been using a Predator shaft on my Mottey cue for close to a decade now, and it works great for me. In fact, I haven't missed a ball in almost three months.
 
I've been using a Predator shaft on my Mottey cue for close to a decade now, and it works great for me. In fact, I haven't missed a ball in almost three months.
So you say you haven't been playing for a few months, Jim? :D

How's it going bro?
 
I was in your shoes when I bought my custom. Had been playing for 10+ years with LDs, starting out with moderately low LDs (Meucci Red Dots and an original 314), and then running through a gamut of various LDs over the years.

When I bought my new cue, I agonized over what LD I was going to use and how much I would have to spend to get matching rings, etc. I settled at first by getting a small cross-joint extension to fit my butt to my LD shafts (the pins were different). It played ok but I felt that something still wasn't right.

I loved the way the original shafts hit and balanced but was afraid to switch to a maple shaft. My friend, a very high amateur who learned on maple shafts told me that if I made the switch, "It will take you a year to make the adjustment." I play almost everyday and compete in tournaments weekly, and I didn't want to hear that from him.

Long story short, he turned out to be dead right. After I finally committed to making the switch, I took lumps for a long time. Losing to players my speed regularly. Losing to players under me often. Never beating any stronger players, ever. I swallowed many bitter pills, just shook my opponents' hands, congratulated them and never said a word.

I worked and played on, and over time my game gradually came back. After that year mark, I'm playing at my original level again. Going deep in tournaments, cashing high at times. I finally won a small one. I win a lot more now, and sometimes upset stronger players at times.

You will go through a lot a phases and ups and downs. You will think you are in the clear at times, and then suddenly crash. It took the whole year because that is how long it takes a regular player to completely retrain your long-honed instincts and ingrain the new ones. I don't think many players would want to go through this and you have to be really motivated and humble to change if you are an experienced player.

I'll leave you with this: When I played with LDs, I was always on the hunt for the next shaft out there. I was looking for something that had better feel and that aimed like the way I was accustomed to. In the end, the feeling that I was truly after was the hit of a good solid maple shaft. That was my solution, not saying that it would be the same for anybody else. I no longer have any desire to find that "magic" cue, it is already in my hands.

Also, in retrospect I would say that anyone thinking that buying either this or that shaft will improve their level are fooling themselves. Believe me, I've been through them all and any bumps in your game were ephemeral. The best way to improve your skills is through gaining knowledge, hard hours of practice and competition, and being realistic about your weaknesses and working doggedly to turn them into your strengths.

Find that cue that feels right in your hands (you will know it the first few hits), buy it no matter the price, and run with it for years. That is the first step towards being consistent.

So, it took you a full year of playing with a maple shaft to finally hit your speed that you use to play at with an LD shaft ? Weird, it's almost like you got worse after you stopped using high end technology ;)
 
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