Lil John postings on the SB Board

[uwate]

Lil John posted this on the Southern Billiards Board:

"Well Im currently in Poppas Billiards in Bham ALA and I have just experienced some of the action that Bham has to offer. Let me say before I start that the people and staff at Poppas are great!!!!
I got involved with a George Carter yesterday and George was letting me play the nine ball ghost races to 9 and I was getting one on the wire. Needless to say I lost 3500 at the game and went bust. My corporation and I rounded up some more money and are at poppas right now trying to play and George has left the building showing no action and his excuse is well "he doesnt have one." Jaybird is with me and George asks us to play Tim Orange even one pocket for 500 game and we say rack them up. Jaybird loses the 1st game and wins the next two and George Carter quits. Now I say, George can I play the same game that I lost at yesterday and raise the bet and he says "no" and leaves the building. I want everybody to know that his actions dont reflect the action at poppas or the locals but everyone needs to know to "duck" him in any kind of way possible if you make it over here. This has been one of the worst gambling experiences of my life. Ljon "
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I dont get this, John Macias lost to the 9ball ghost in races to 9? What am I missing here..was the table a real gaffe table, was it ridiculously tight? Did he have to play no BIH to start?

Surely Lil John can bust the 9ball ghost playing break and take BIH, right?

 

[Williebetmore]

I dont get this, John Macias lost to the 9ball ghost in races to 9? What am I missing here..was the table a real gaffe table, was it ridiculously tight? Did he have to play no BIH to start?

Surely Lil John can bust the 9ball ghost playing break and take BIH, right?

Uwate,
I also am puzzled. From what I've seen at DCC 2 years ago, Lil John seemed to be quite an accomplished player.

A former road player of my acquaintance beats the 9-ball ghost (on a super-tight Diamond table) like a red-headed stepchild, rarely losing even a game except on freak layouts where multiple balls get tied up. Let us know if you get any details.

I've heard of C.J. Wiley and George Breedlove beating the 12 ball and 13-ball ghosts. Anyone seen anything like this???

 

[uwate]

I know two players in Miami that I wouldnt think could beat Lil John and yet they also completely ROB the 10ball ghost. Thats why reading that he went bust against the 9ball ghost (with a game on the wire no less!) is like someone just showed me the Rubiks cube for the first time. I am really puzzled by this.

 

[TX Poolnut]

Interesting post. Everytime I've seen Lil Jon play 9-ball (4 or 5 times), he made the game look like a joke. He just roasts the table when he plays getting out like the champ he is. Usually, I would have thought this George fellow was mad at his money.

 

[sjm]

There are some missing details:

On a 9-footer or bar table?

Break box or no break box?

Which version of the ghost? 1) break then ball in hand, 2) play it where it lies after break, or 3) break ball in hand in the kitchen (lowest ball spots if in the kitchen)? I've seen all three.

 

[jingle]

Another thing to think about is that when betting/playing the ghost, all the pressure is on Jon. The other bettor just has to sit and watch. As the bet rises, so does the pressure.

 

[huckster]

Another thing to think about is that when betting/playing the ghost, all the pressure is on Jon. The other bettor just has to sit and watch. As the bet rises, so does the pressure.

Betting 3500 is no pressure on Lil John. I have seen tables cut so tight no one is a favorite against the ghost. Anyone in the world is welcome to come to my table to play the nineball ghost race to 20 for as much as they want to bet and I don't think anyone can win.

 

[TheBook]

I was asked by a pool instructor/author of billiard material (he was trying to get a feel on my playing ability) if I ever played the ghost and how do I think I would do. I said no but I could possibly do 2 or 3 racks against the ghost. He said it is a good evalution of ability. He then said that I should know that every pool hall has action available on the ghost and the ghost always comes out ahead.

 

[breakup]

I used to go to a pool hall for lunch. Once a week or so a guy would play the ghost and bet with me while I ate lunch. He never won. Great lunchtime entertainment. (for me anyway )

 

[JAM]

Lil John posted this on the Southern Billiards Board:

"Well Im currently in Poppas Billiards in Bham ALA and I have just experienced some of the action that Bham has to offer...

That's just downright pitiful that Liljon is willing to bet it up, and the only action he can get in Birmingham is a ghost game.

Looks like the action is really dwindling if Liljon can't get any players to step up to the plate.

And then after Liljon loses a chunk of change, the other guy quits winner and won't give him any more gamble.

JAM

 

[5ballcharlie]

Betting 3500 is no pressure on Lil John. I have seen tables cut so tight no one is a favorite against the ghost. Anyone in the world is welcome to come to my table to play the nineball ghost race to 20 for as much as they want to bet and I don't think anyone can win.

I have a super tight 9 ft brunswick 3 7/8" pockets. The guy I bought it from offered buddy hall to play the 9 ball ghost on it and he didnt take it. He also offered that road player mac cant think of his last name , out of clarksville tennessee the same action and he turned it down. So beating that ghost on super tough equipment is tough.

 

[The Kiss]

While maybe not the manlyest thing to do...But 3500 is a lot of money....To quote a famous movie..."Your not walking out on me Fats? Watch me"... Thats just smart business...Why should some guy wait until he is even to quit or down....Just to be a man?

 

[TheBook]

While maybe not the manlyest thing to do...But 3500 is a lot of money....To quote a famous movie..."Your not walking out on me Fats? Watch me"... Thats just smart business...Why should some guy wait until he is even to quit or down....Just to be a man?

Agree

Appears as if the hustler got hustled.

There was this so called hot shot player on our team years ago. He was a loser gambler. Jim was always looking for the sucker. All he had to do was look into the mirror. He would always try to hustle someone by "laying off" and then eventually try to raise the bet. Majority of the time he had to try and borrow money to stay in the game. Jim would always say that he was raising the stakes to get to the other guys breaking point and we would always tell him that we think the other guy found his. Anyways the other guys would always quit when way ahead and Jim would then complain about not having a chance to get his money back and how he would spread the word about them. Jim should have had "loser/sucker" tattood on his forehead.

 

[ScottW]

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Can someone explain this whole "ghost" bit to me? I fear I know little/nothing as far as how things work when it comes to hustling. :/

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[jingle]

Betting 3500 is no pressure on Lil John.

Well he said he went bust losing the $3500, so I have to think he felt at least a little pressure.

 

[huckster]

Well he said he went bust losing the $3500, so I have to think he felt at least a little pressure.

He has a whole contingent of backers. He also wanted to play the same game for more chedder the next day.

 

[NaClBandit]

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Can someone explain this whole "ghost" bit to me? I fear I know little/nothing as far as how things work when it comes to hustling. :/

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Do a search. It's out there twenty times over. I know I answered it once before so look in my previous posts if you like.

 

[Egg McDogit]

I was asked by a pool instructor/author of billiard material (he was trying to get a feel on my playing ability)
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He then said that I should know that every pool hall has action available on the ghost and the ghost always comes out ahead.

and this guy teaches and writes about pool..

 

[Steve Lipsky]

Kiss,

I agree completely. The varying "rules" about what is right to do when winning in a session are very confusing. On a personal level, situations like this led me to quit gambling on pool. It was as bad winning as it was losing because if you won, you were somehow indebted to the loser to keep gambling with him until he wanted to quit. Half the time they wanted to change the spot also.

It's hard to tell from John's story, but it may not even have been on the same day that he rounded up more money. What's this guy George supposed to do? Take the money he won and put it in escrow somewhere for a stated period of time? It could be like a statute of limitations, lol.

What if he took the money and, together with his original stake, bought a used car, for example? Somehow he's bad action because he went out and bought something with the money?

Again, tough to tell from John's story, but he also seems to say they wanted to DOUBLE the bet. This guy George is bad action for not wanting to do that?

A bizarre set of rules, I tell you...

- Steve

 

[sniper]

There are some missing details:

On a 9-footer or bar table?

Break box or no break box?

Which version of the ghost? 1) break then ball in hand, 2) play it where it lies after break, or 3) break ball in hand in the kitchen (lowest ball spots if in the kitchen)? I've seen all three.

That's what I wanted to know, unless I missed it somewhere in the thread we don't know the details. If it was on a nine footer with tight pockets and play it where it lies then beating the ghost would be no easy feat.