Lou wants more

JAM said:
Not really. I contribute a lot of content. You just seem to hang out on the flame threads and may not read pool-related threads that I do contribute to. :)
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Tell him how it is JAM. I would but I'm on probation for dealing with the same B.S.
So I gotta keep my nose clean.
 
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mia said:
You also piss a lot of people off and annoy them. And then you complain that its always OUR fault. I can't count how many times you've b!tched and moaned about the state of the forums these days. And you have, on a number of occasions, said that you were done with this place. But yet, you're still here... complaining. Why?
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Two words: book and launch.
 
JAM said:
You know, I used to get really pissed off when forum members would rip apart the pro players ad nauseum, but after this match-up, reading the multiple threads about it, I realize that some members on this forum would rip apart Willie Mosconi himself, if given the chance to see him on a live stream. What a bunch of whiners!

I wonder how many people on this thread would step up and play for 10 dimes and have it live-streamed for this forum's critique. :grin-square:
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That number may be more than you think ,, 10 is not much to someone who would not miss it ,, and many would play if their backed me being one of them


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CreeDo said:
I hate to say this, because it might add 20 pages to the thread.
I honestly mean it in the spirit of helping the guy, not to bash anyone.
I think CTE has hurt his game.
Here's why -

John steers violently after many shots. Everyone noticed this.

What is steering? It's not really a stroke flaw.
We all know you can't affect the cue ball once it's left the tip.
So the actual STROKE is already finished, steering happens after the stroke.

So what is this steering and flailing? It's a mental flaw. In a word, it's fear.
It's his body reacting to his fear that he just completely undercut (or overcut) the shot.
Or failed to apply the spin he wants.

Why does he have this fear all the time?

He shouldn't, right? CTE is supposed to give you a simple, foolproof method of aiming
that takes away the guesswork and the fear of missing.
But John clearly still has that fear... he has no confidence that he just made the ball.

(Before anyone says it, the "fear steer" is not about the money,
I saw it years ago when he was just filming himself practicing in his shop)

I believe he has this fear because trying to use CTE has taught him to start out
with the wrong initial alignment and aiming point.
Part of the CTE shot process involves you lining up (at first) towards a point
you don't actually plan on hitting, for example a half ball hit,
when the cut is actually a bit thinner than that.
Then you are then asked to 'pivot' to correct it.

The pivot is why you don't actually make a half-ball hit even if you start out aiming that way.
What John is doing is 'pivoting' (actually changing direction) on his final stroke,
which points in a totally different direction than his warmup strokes.

And the fear steer?

That's happening because there's a conflict between what he sees when he lines up,
and his desired result. His eyes and hands stick are lined up to send the CB to point A,
but subconsciously he knows he must actually send it to point B.

THAT'S why he steers - he's scared he sent the shot where he initially aimed,
and is trying to "body english" the ball towards point B.

That's also why he tries to shoot so fast. John is letting his subconscious take over
and make the ball (using whatever speed and english it knows will work) because
if he tried to do it in a mechanical and systematic way, using CTE, he's not going
to make the ball.

If you ever tried speed pool you know subconscious aiming can be really powerful,
but unfortunately it means some stuff like speed control goes out the window.
Hence he cuts tough balls way too hard even though he knows pocket speed would be better.

I know John will strenuously deny all this but I hope he considers it for just a millisecond.
He's got to start all over and learn how to start and finish his stroke aiming at the correct point.

Once he learns not to lean on his subconscious to make balls, and he learns how to get his
cue pointing correctly right at the start, his fear and the steer will evaporate.
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I agree with what you are saying. I think everyone "steers" when they "know" they may have mishit the ball and "may" not come up with the "desired" result that they had hoped for. Some people do it once in a while and people of a "lesser" caliber do it a lot more often...unless you are like Ralph and can maintain the composure of a robot no matter what is going on in the game.

If you are going to use CTE/TOI/ABC/DEF/ or GHI you have to stay with your plan. You can't jump from system to system to no-system on each and every shot.

From what I've seen of the match, it is a couple of amateur (less than A-skill level) players who are playing for a lot of money. It should be expected that there will be mistakes made on more than one occasion per game. It will be the one who "capitalizes" on the mistakes of the other who will eventually win...not their exceptional playing skills.

Aloha.
 
one stroke said:
That number may be more than you think ,, 10 is not much to someone who would not miss it ,, and many would play if their backed me being one of them


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This may be an individual trait. I'm not sure.

Ryan McCreesh, for example, said he played better on other people's money than his own. There's nothing worse than staying out all night and coming home with bad news about a match.

Keith doesn't feel the pressure on playing for other people's money or his own. He's the same both ways. However, me as a railbird sweating Keith in action, I like it better when he's playing on other people's money, but that's selfish on my part.

Keith would rather play on his own dime because, of course, there's more profit. :wink:

I actually think $10,000 is a lot of dough for most people to gamble with. Maybe I'm wrong, but I know I'd be shaking on every shot. :o
 
one stroke said:
He's only giving pep talks:eek:

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I can only hear the commentating ,so do both players have someone to give them advice before there up? I hope not,would be nice just to see the players own instinct .
 
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JAM said:
This may be an individual trait. I'm not sure.

Ryan McCreesh, for example, said he played better on other people's money than his own. There's nothing worse than staying out all night and coming home with bad news about a match.

Keith doesn't feel the pressure on playing for other people's money or his own. He's the same both ways. However, me as a railbird sweating Keith in action, I like it better when he's playing on other people's money, but that's selfish on my part.

Keith would rather play on his own dime because, of course, there's more profit. :wink:

I actually think $10,000 is a lot of dough for most people to gamble with. Maybe I'm wrong, but I know I'd be shaking on every shot. :o
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That's because Ryan never had any money to lose ,, hard to play on scared money
Yes for most people 10k is a lot but to some it's not


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JAM said:
Just like in pool, I would ensure the rules are set in stone to cover eveyrthing well before the match begins. :yes:

I might be a goat-roper in pool, but this ain't my first Scrabble rodeo. : :ok:
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I kin spel allso! letts pla sum scruabble!
 
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jtaylor996 said:
JB, when you were good last night it was when you thought you were no good... because you'd play more conservatively and put all the pressure on Lou. The pressure was getting to Lou.

Remember to take breaks when you need it, and cut it with the aggressive play. You're like 1-2 mistakes away from losing this thing. You need to play to not lose it, not play to win it.
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You play not to lose, you lose.
 
JB Cases said:
I never claimed to be a road player ever.



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Never, eh? What about this little snippet, back when you were 20 balls worse, 7 years ago.. (the full post)

As Roadie..

"Mr. Booth, I have been there many times, on the road, and at the DCC. I have been privy to the scheming that goes on when people are trying to trap other people. There are always the few players that get the most attention, such as Scooter and Durbin because they seek that attention. There are many other player there however that take down a lot of targets that they worked over by any number of means to get them into games that were way out of line."

Will you be in Vegas in July? I could probably make a point of going since you've barked at me in the past. I could use the extra money.
 
Lol

John,
LOL I watched the match! What were you thinking? You should watch others stroke as you have none! I am no pro by any means but have a much better stroke! You didn't have a chance against lou or myself as far as that goes! LOL this was really something all the woofing and you play like this! LOL WOW I cant believe it! Thanks John better stick with cases and have others do them! LOL I think Roger as well as myself would love to play you! That stroke of yours is really special! I did better 40 years ago when I first started playin! I really enjoyed watching you with your cheap cue get your BUTT handed to you by this bad player! Wow unreal!
Ron<---Likes this as much as Roger
 
Banks said:
Never, eh? What about this little snippet, back when you were 20 balls worse, 7 years ago.. (the full post)

As Roadie..

"Mr. Booth, I have been there many times, on the road, and at the DCC. I have been privy to the scheming that goes on when people are trying to trap other people. There are always the few players that get the most attention, such as Scooter and Durbin because they seek that attention. There are many other player there however that take down a lot of targets that they worked over by any number of means to get them into games that were way out of line."

Will you be in Vegas in July? I could probably make a point of going since you've barked at me in the past. I could use the extra money.
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Who is Roadie? As myself I can say that I have been around the scheming and that does not mean I am a road player.



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