Low Down Dirty Red of Johnson City fame

JoeyA

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekyLXFehvvk

Anyone know who this uniquely named fellow was?
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We have one guy with a similar name in New Orleans called LOW DOWN EDDIE BROWN. You can guess how he got his name. Some people call him Downtown Eddie Brown. :(

JoeyA
 
JoeyA said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekyLXFehvvk

Anyone know who this uniquely named fellow was?
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We have one guy with a similar name in New Orleans called LOW DOWN EDDIE BROWN. You can guess how he got his name. Some people call him Downtown Eddie Brown. :(

JoeyA
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I couldn't get the sound on this video, but I did know Red quite well. I did not see him on the video. I saw Fats (a lot), Ronnie, Shorty, Hubert Cokes, Omaha Fats and several others.

Red was also known as Preacher Red, and to put it bluntly he was a ruthless hustler. I think his real name was Charles Jones. I used to know it, but now I'm not 100% certain. I played him three or four times. It was not beneath him to steal balls from your side of the table in One Pocket. In fact, nothing was beneath him.

I beat him one time playing One Pocket at the old Fourth and Main in downtown L.A. I vowed never to play him again, yet he talked me into playing at least two more times. He was consistently aggravating. Red died about four or five years ago in Vegas. Just before he died, I bought his entire collection of old pool magazines.
 
JoeyA said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekyLXFehvvk

Anyone know who this uniquely named fellow was?
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We have one guy with a similar name in New Orleans called LOW DOWN EDDIE BROWN. You can guess how he got his name. Some people call him Downtown Eddie Brown. :(

JoeyA
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That's an excellent video and very representative of American pool during this era. Weenie Beenie speaks about Johnston City days in many of his interviews. The news reel video clip is from Chicago local News 5 with Dick Kay and occurred in 1972, the same year my daughter was born. :p

They called Ronnie Allen "Fast Eddie" a lot, and I loved the broadcaster's deep voice narrating all the the festivities and the brief snippets of the attendees, showing the cash moving back and forth between hands.

The ending to this 3-minute video says it all: Hustling may have been the name of the game, but it was a way of life.

Great video. I wish there were more like this one. It is a real American treasure. I never tire of seeing it.

JAM
 
Low down dirty, stinkin Red

jay helfert said:
I couldn't get the sound on this video, but I did know Red quite well. I did not see him on the video. I saw Fats (a lot), Ronnie, Shorty, Hubert Cokes, Omaha Fats and several others.

Red was also known as Preacher Red, and to put it bluntly he was a ruthless hustler. I think his real name was Charles Jones. I used to know it, but now I'm not 100% certain. I played him three or four times. It was not beneath him to steal balls from your side of the table in One Pocket. In fact, nothing was beneath him.

I beat him one time playing One Pocket at the old Fourth and Main in downtown L.A. I vowed never to play him again, yet he talked me into playing at least two more times. He was consistently aggravating. Red died about four or five years ago in Vegas. Just before he died, I bought his entire collection of old pool magazines.
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It was Charles Jones, Jay. At the Stardust Tourney in Vegas, Red got a promotion from Eddie "The hat" Burton to, Low down, dirty, stinkin, Red. I loved him. I have him rated as the 3rd greatest sharker in the world behind Ronnie Allen and Chicago's Fonzi Daniels. Once, at the Stardust in Vegas, I was shooting a difficult proposition bank shot with a certain amount of shots allowed to make it (15). Steve Mizerak was betting against me, and I had my whole bankroll up (about $400). Preacher Red (AKA Charles Jones, & D.L.D.S. Red) was presiding over the bet and counting the shots. With my whole B.R. up, I was dogging it slightly, and the shot count was at 11. Red sensing my shakyness, and at the count of 12, he repeated "11," giving me an extra shot. That little edge motivated me enough to finally make the shot on the 15th and last (actually 16th) try. Naturally, Red eased over to me later and put his hand out for some "consideration" for his part in my score. I gladly paid off. All the bad things said about Red are probably true.
Little side-light: Red died recently in Vegas, an old man. Artie Bodendorfer and Red's mother attended the funeral.
 
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JoeyA said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekyLXFehvvk

Anyone know who this uniquely named fellow was?
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We have one guy with a similar name in New Orleans called LOW DOWN EDDIE BROWN. You can guess how he got his name. Some people call him Downtown Eddie Brown. :(

JoeyA
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Nice clip Joey.

Every time I see one of these and the tey clled Omaha Fars, it brings back many memeories for me. What a character he was. He also is gone now. Hee was just an incredible character and had a voice that resembled finger nails accross the chalk board.

Just one quick one. Marty was about 5 ft 9 in tall and weighed in the area of 300-325 lbs. He was bald and only wore pleated slacks, wing tip shoes, and a white t-shirt. The t-shirt would be splattered with mustard and coffee stains or whatever else he attempted to consume.He wore as much as he ate.

Marty {real name Martin Kamain} at one time was a fair player and really could play a bit jacked up. ABC SPORTS heard of this and showed up in Denver to take shots of Marty MAKING a one handed spot shot.

This was to be shot at an old bowling alley belonging to Walt Disney and a popular late night hang ou in Denver.

About 11 am, marty came walking in weraing hi famopus t-shirt and someone from the crew came over and as tactfuly as possible suggested to Mart that he may want to don a cleaner and nicer shot for his appearance on Wide World of Sports. Marty smile and said he afreed and would be back in 20 minutes.

Sure enough about 20 minutes later Marty came wobbling back in sporting and brand spanking new,,,,, white t-shirt and smiling like a youngster in his first tux. I was standing there with Weldon Rogers and Surfer Rod and I was sure we were going to be asked to leave as Rod lost it as I had never seen. He laughed so hard and so long I thought for sure he would choke.

The shot was finally set up and everybody in place and Marty wobbled to the table, stuck his cue in the air and miscued. Rod near ran out of oxygen laughing and Marty was gettin pissed. Again and again he attempted and again and agin he blew it.

On about the 23 attempt, Marty made it and the whole crowd went nuts and Marty went into his routine claiming to be the greatest one handed player in the world. The crew just stood there and looked about as shocked as if someone had farted right in front of the Queen. They were packed and gone in what I would wager was record time.

Maety could be a pain in the ass, but, he wasn't a bad guy. A WW11 vet who had suffered a head wound and never really got over it. He was my friend. RIP Omaha Fats.
 
Grady said:
I have a good picture of Red. I'll post it if I can figure out how to do that.
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This was far more than I expected. With a name like that, you have to be special and you guys proved it once more. I love what Freddy said about him. Sometimes I even feel the same way about Low Down Eddie Brown. :D :p

Grady I look forward to seeing Low Down Dirty Stinkin' Red's picture.
JoeyA

BTW, I think it was our own Colin Colinsco sp? that put that video up on youtube.com
 
Eddie Brown

How is Eddie hitting them these days Joey? I went to New Orleans a bit when I was young to play in a tournament at Flyboys. I was around 18 (15 years ago) and Eddie played about the 8 under Scotty and Scotty was playing well then... It was fun watching the two of them play, they both had such beautiful strokes.

That was a great bar table tournament, I think it was $2000 added race to 7(?) and $.50 cent tables. Funny story, some friends of mine and I went there for the first time and we couldn't match up the night before the tournament so I played a friend of mine cheap on the 9' table. I was hitting them pretty good that night and the next day when it came time for the calcutta I went for a bit more than I should have, around 4th pick behind Scotty, Joe Salazar and Eddie. By the time I was due to play my first match I got the pink eye and one eye was almost completely closed. I tried to play anyway and got smashed 2 and out lol...

It was a fun trip though, on the way down this character rode with us from Monroe named Scotty Justice. If you've ever met him you'll know he's a nut. People used to fight to play him every Friday(payday) because he was going to lose his whole bankroll no matter how bad he had the nuts... He'd just keep adjusting until he lost, talk about no give up heh... I could tell you a hilarious story about going to a strip club there and he saw his first pair of fake breasts but I'd better not on here lol..

Anyway, my buddy was driving his single cab pickup and Scotty J. was going nuts because he would only drive the speed limit and we were all three big guys in a single cab truck. We got on that longgg bridge(ponchatrain?) and he was laughing at the cops saying they couldn't get him from the other side so he was driving about 90. We made it about two miles or so before a cop was sitting in one of those connections and nailed him... He let my buddy drive after that.

Shane
 
ironman said:
Nice clip Joey.

Every time I see one of these and the tey clled Omaha Fars, it brings back many memeories for me. What a character he was. He also is gone now. Hee was just an incredible character and had a voice that resembled finger nails accross the chalk board.

Just one quick one. Marty was about 5 ft 9 in tall and weighed in the area of 300-325 lbs. He was bald and only wore pleated slacks, wing tip shoes, and a white t-shirt. The t-shirt would be splattered with mustard and coffee stains or whatever else he attempted to consume.He wore as much as he ate.

Marty {real name Martin Kamain} at one time was a fair player and really could play a bit jacked up. ABC SPORTS heard of this and showed up in Denver to take shots of Marty MAKING a one handed spot shot.

This was to be shot at an old bowling alley belonging to Walt Disney and a popular late night hang ou in Denver.

About 11 am, marty came walking in weraing hi famopus t-shirt and someone from the crew came over and as tactfuly as possible suggested to Mart that he may want to don a cleaner and nicer shot for his appearance on Wide World of Sports. Marty smile and said he afreed and would be back in 20 minutes.

Sure enough about 20 minutes later Marty came wobbling back in sporting and brand spanking new,,,,, white t-shirt and smiling like a youngster in his first tux. I was standing there with Weldon Rogers and Surfer Rod and I was sure we were going to be asked to leave as Rod lost it as I had never seen. He laughed so hard and so long I thought for sure he would choke.

The shot was finally set up and everybody in place and Marty wobbled to the table, stuck his cue in the air and miscued. Rod near ran out of oxygen laughing and Marty was gettin pissed. Again and again he attempted and again and agin he blew it.

On about the 23 attempt, Marty made it and the whole crowd went nuts and Marty went into his routine claiming to be the greatest one handed player in the world. The crew just stood there and looked about as shocked as if someone had farted right in front of the Queen. They were packed and gone in what I would wager was record time.

Maety could be a pain in the ass, but, he wasn't a bad guy. A WW11 vet who had suffered a head wound and never really got over it. He was my friend. RIP Omaha Fats.
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Good story Ironman. You got it all right, especially his voice, irritating just to hear him talk. But so damn funny. He even made Fats laugh.
 
ironman said:
Nice clip Joey.

Every time I see one of these and the tey clled Omaha Fars, it brings back many memeories for me. What a character he was. He also is gone now. Hee was just an incredible character and had a voice that resembled finger nails accross the chalk board.

Just one quick one. Marty was about 5 ft 9 in tall and weighed in the area of 300-325 lbs. He was bald and only wore pleated slacks, wing tip shoes, and a white t-shirt. The t-shirt would be splattered with mustard and coffee stains or whatever else he attempted to consume.He wore as much as he ate.

Marty {real name Martin Kamain} at one time was a fair player and really could play a bit jacked up. ABC SPORTS heard of this and showed up in Denver to take shots of Marty MAKING a one handed spot shot.

This was to be shot at an old bowling alley belonging to Walt Disney and a popular late night hang ou in Denver.

About 11 am, marty came walking in weraing hi famopus t-shirt and someone from the crew came over and as tactfuly as possible suggested to Mart that he may want to don a cleaner and nicer shot for his appearance on Wide World of Sports. Marty smile and said he afreed and would be back in 20 minutes.

Sure enough about 20 minutes later Marty came wobbling back in sporting and brand spanking new,,,,, white t-shirt and smiling like a youngster in his first tux. I was standing there with Weldon Rogers and Surfer Rod and I was sure we were going to be asked to leave as Rod lost it as I had never seen. He laughed so hard and so long I thought for sure he would choke.

The shot was finally set up and everybody in place and Marty wobbled to the table, stuck his cue in the air and miscued. Rod near ran out of oxygen laughing and Marty was gettin pissed. Again and again he attempted and again and agin he blew it.

On about the 23 attempt, Marty made it and the whole crowd went nuts and Marty went into his routine claiming to be the greatest one handed player in the world. The crew just stood there and looked about as shocked as if someone had farted right in front of the Queen. They were packed and gone in what I would wager was record time.

Maety could be a pain in the ass, but, he wasn't a bad guy. A WW11 vet who had suffered a head wound and never really got over it. He was my friend. RIP Omaha Fats.
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In the video, which one is Omaha Fats?
 
Joey don't yas mean Eddi "The Mouth" Brown :):)

I wish I still lived down there.... you would know when Eddie was in the hall.....can hear him yellin crap from 3 blocks away :)
 
Jay---If you got Red's collection of pictures, look for one with him and Amarillo Slim. It's a winner!
He also had a picture of Jimmy Reid playing highschool basketball.
 
alstl said:
In the video, which one is Omaha Fats?
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I'm not getting a very clear view and can't relly tell. Had you ever seen him, well, it would be a hard picture to forget. He was entertaining. Not a bad guy either really.
 
alstl said:
In the video, which one is Omaha Fats?
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You see him briefly in profile. He has a fat face with big jowls. He is mostly bald, but what hair he has is cut real close. He is by far the ugliest mug on this video.
 
cajunbarboxplyr said:
Joey don't yas mean Eddi "The Mouth" Brown :):)

I wish I still lived down there.... you would know when Eddie was in the hall.....can hear him yellin crap from 3 blocks away :)
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Yeah, one and the same. Those are some of the nice names that people give him. Eddie when he is not playing is louder than a pack of frustrated hyenas. Now he has been playing for what 30 years and he still doesn't know to tone it down. Come on........Low-Down, you can do better and don't promise, just do it.

Eddie stills play right under Scotty IMHO.
JoeyA
 
JoeyA, we have a guy they call Fox down here in South Florida that can hit a pretty high volume level too. He was at the DCC this year, staking a South Florida player named Monster John. One night I was in the tournament room and I was watching some action on the accustats table and no shit I can hear Fox woofing at someone near the right side of the room as you walk in. For those that havent been to the DCC, thats a pretty long ways to hear someone woofing.
 
Red's Photo

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Here's the photo I promised. I liked Red. What you saw was what you got. He once played the longest one pocket match ever. 3 out of 5 games. Lasted more than 6 hours.
 
Grady said:
DirtyLowDownRed.jpg


Here's the photo I promised. I liked Red. What you saw was what you got. He once played the longest one pocket match ever. 3 out of 5 games. Lasted more than 6 hours.
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There's larcency in those eyes. And we all knew it.
 
uwate said:
JoeyA, we have a guy they call Fox down here in South Florida that can hit a pretty high volume level too. He was at the DCC this year, staking a South Florida player named Monster John. One night I was in the tournament room and I was watching some action on the accustats table and no shit I can hear Fox woofing at someone near the right side of the room as you walk in. For those that havent been to the DCC, thats a pretty long ways to hear someone woofing.
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That's a pretty far piece for someone's voice to travel. Fox sounds like a real hound with a set of lungs but I will put our Low Down "Stinking" Brown against your old Fox any day. And his cackle is far worse than Fox's cackle. It truly is close to a wild hyena's cackle. His specialty is not how loud he bellows constantly as much as the way he reaches a crescendo over and over.

Then when he is having a tough match (which isn't very often), he wants everyone to be quiet like a mouse.

Maybe we should get the two of them together and they could put on a show for us. When they do I want to be out of the tournament, broke and drunk so I can enjoy the show. :o
JoeyA
 
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