Madisonbob Untrusting Client Snowmon34

ShootingArts said:
Dale,

Hopefully Bob does the paypal thing or sends you a certified check or postal money order via certified mail and ends this matter. If not odds are long on the DA being interested. Anything that is both a civil and criminal matter they are quick to reject unless it is a slamdunk case with major dollars or publicity involved. Been there with both local DA's in two jurisdictions and one 2000 miles away. The guy I contacted the DA about 2000 miles away had a thousand dollar deposit of mine and was over ten times later than he had promised completion of a custom he was making for me. No return of phone calls or e-mails, no contact at all. In the end I had to prove that I could track him to where he lived, not just his business, and that I was willing to travel to resolve the matter to get him to perform. The guy eventually had over eighty federal charges lodged against him, the local DA still wasn't interested.

In the case under discussion in this thread it is doubtful that any crime has been committed, even more doubtful that it could be proven a crime was committed. DA's don't mess with such cases.

Good luck, I hope this deal is over with.

Hu
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Hu, again thanks for your insight....why don't you go play in some other sand box....;)
 
I Cant Believe This Guy He Is An Out Right Thief All Az Ers Need To Give Mad Bob Negitive Feedback Bo You Need To Give This Man His Money Back Quit Hiding Like A Coward You Claim To Be A Good Business Man Prove It And Return His Money You Alreadt Ruined Your Reputation As A Business Person And No One There Right Mind Would Order Anything From You And I Have Been Told By A Close Friend Of Yours You Do Not Even Have Any Machines Left To Do Cue Work You Need To Do The Right Thing And Return This Mans Cash
 
Brain in pain

Madison Bob,

I tried to read your one paragraph explanation but I had a sudden fear of collapsing on my desk with some type of brain injury.

I would suggest you copy your reply and break it into 10 or 12 paragraphs so that you can be heard and understood.
 
brianna187 said:
I Cant Believe This Guy He Is An Out Right Thief All Az Ers Need To Give Mad Bob Negitive Feedback Bo You Need To Give This Man His Money Back Quit Hiding Like A Coward You Claim To Be A Good Business Man Prove It And Return His Money You Alreadt Ruined Your Reputation As A Business Person And No One There Right Mind Would Order Anything From You And I Have Been Told By A Close Friend Of Yours You Do Not Even Have Any Machines Left To Do Cue Work You Need To Do The Right Thing And Return This Mans Cash
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Cuejoey, is this what you're referring to (broken English) ? Or is this thread just a comedy of errors ?

Personally, I'm looking forward to seeing all this on an episode of "The People's Court" :p
 
This Is the problem

If your original agreement was what you said, then you should have corrected this problem originally " Our contract was $375.00 a cue half down which was not paid in full the rest before the cues were shipped"

This 525 that was supposedly half down should have been addressed in the beginning of this whole ordeal, now looking back it looks as though the 525 was okay with you, so no one has a clue as to who is truly right.

If this had been handled judiciously in the first place you would have no problem, I do not believe anyone can take a side, on a he said she said problem, you have to look at the facts, post some emails, ect... from my perspective and my opinion if you accepted this check of 525 then that was half of the total cost from an on lookers opinion.

Or the guy buying is a real sneaky guy, which doesnt make since either, because he is the one putting his own money at risk....

HMMMMMMMMMM
 
bob griffin said:
HEY EVERYBODY WHATS UP? OLD dale has forgotten a few things. so he runs to the forum for some aproval. the old boy calls me up he wanted 3 sneakys all spiecal order stuff excotic woods and ringwork and weights and balances and so on . i quoted $375.00 a cue plus shipping i told him i could at that time not promise him a derect time of completen because i have health problem and i had just had a problem with a guy that had told me to take my time only to later blaster me all over the forums with right down lies keep in mind i,ve build cues for 15 years at that pont with a total of 1 complaint which happened at the time of my health problems uprising but have since been taken care of i just got behind i was to sick. well dale was supose to send me half down but he only sent $525.00 i went and started the cues i had told him it would be maybe 2 months to 6 months time because of some back orders and again sickness problems about a month to 2 months went by he called saying him are his friends who had went in on the cues with him had seen the forum about the 1 problem i ever had with a customer that i can remember saying it concerned him and them i reasured him he had nothing to worry about he seemed okay about 2 weeks later he called wanting to know if the cues were done i said no he asked if i would send pics that upset me because it made me feel he no longer trusted me i send the pics he said he wanted more pics of the ringwork i said if i could free up the time i did not he called about twice over the next 2 months asking about the cues which they were not done then about 2 to 3 weeks later i called him saying there done please send the remaining balance. our contract was $375.00 a cue half down which was not payed in full the rest before the cues were shipped he wanted me to ship the cues to him then he would pay i refused then he wanted cod i refused so i offered him to pay thru paypal he says no then he informs me his 2 partners have backed out and needs pics of the cues completed to try to get them to become reinterested at the time my camrea was completly destroyed we had to search everywere all over town to find a camrea to match are software are come up with $300.00 for a new one we got lucky and found one we could use and send him the pics he said they look great give him a day are 2 to confide in his friends he comes back and said just send me my down payment back i have changed my mind now keep in mind i build these to his specs spiecal order his size shafts wood and ringwork these sneaky have a finish to kill for like most high dollar cues i have called him on my dollar atleast 10 times emailed countless times send pics serval times started the cues without a full down payment put up with him calling me dishonest finishing the cues now he wants all of the down payment back so get this i must now sale these cue to pay him back a down payment that i feel he owes me some cash out of if i must resale his spiecal ordered cues to pay for them for him them i should get payed a sales commission of 25 percent really my policy as always been no returns on any custom made cues after down payment is made as we were discussing shipping and paying the overall price was never mentioned but when i mentioned the total cost that when he says well your lying the downpayment shows the price was double that amount because you said to send half down but dale was trying to jew me down that day and he did get me down to $375.00 from $390.00 with 2 shafts which is my reg. price he tryed the $350.00 but i refused does everyone think i should return him all his money are a portain i wish to be fair about this but hell guy,s try doing everything i did to find out a old boy don,t have all the money to pay for what hes had you work your ass off to improve his pool game for it would be like all you all going out here and working all week even doing extras for the boss because he distrust you over what some else as said thats untrue then finding out that it did,nt matter that you tryed to prove youself because the boss says well hell i can,t pay you anyway are pay you half but want it back even though you done the whole job plus extras for him and have to sale the cues to make his money back and eat phone bills emailing time the resaling of the speical made cues . buy a house pay half down the builder gets done and wants the rest you say i don,t want it my partners got out on me they will auction it off if it sales a $100,000 less than you owe quess what you still owe the rest plus interest auction cost late fees and so on but everybody should not want a cue builder to work for nothing then attack him without knowing the whole story i will work with dale but he wants me to do all the work for nothing remember all hes done here is order cues i worked and completed them he refuses cues never seeing them so i work building trying to collect adding to my phone bills useing my time and contacting buyers for cues i was supose to already have been payed for and yea defending myself for him not wanting to pay for the products he had made spiecal for himself please give me a break guys its enough just to build a nice hitting and looking cues for the price i sale them for i run my prices on the edge this kind of stuff only drives the cost for what i believe cue builders will be calling just incase money i must say that everyone i,ve ever dealt with has always been fair i have i quess 2 overall complaints now in 15 years thats all i can remember and its all been in the last year one was my fault for getting sick this one hell i don,t know i quess hes broke dale we need to work this out i have never screwed anyone out of a red cent i,am 44 years old i don,t plan on it but lets be fair here you had me do a job i did it your buddys backed out you had me do all kinds of extra stuff that most cue builders would,nt mess with for the cost of a sneaky are 2 you questioned my morals and let me know you distrusted me over hearsay you forced me to run up my phone bills you lied about the overall cost of the cues are maybe and i mean maybe misunderstood atleast you,ve threatened me you refused $225.00 i said i would send you since one cue as sold and offered you more when another sold what else do you want i have so far done everything i think anyone would are could do i really believe you need help dale i,am serious with your dis trusting issues and your unreasonable disposition boarding on self centeredness i would think you get on a forum attack a guy for him screwing you out of a downpayment he already at that point had offered you money back you then threaten me with the A.G what are you going to tell them yeah the guy won,t pay me but his policy for 15 years is no down payment returned on any custom cues but he did say he sold for me one of the cues and offered me $225.00 and said he has a lead on another sale and he would then pay me more but i told him no i did,nt want it that way i want it all at once now and refused the money well these are the facts some of the time period may be off but for the most part it is the story man this crying on these forums is i think bad for the sport it took me 15 years to build my business a lot of long hours and these guys get on here and attack people telling half truths are getting involved in stuff they know nothing of destroying peoples good reps it should be againest the law as slander please remembers theres 2 sides and the truth is the truth madison bob
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If the $75 was not that big of a deal as was stated... I would have just sent the $75, got my cues, and avoided all this crap.
 
I wouldn't buy a cue from MB to save my life. I bought a cue from Dale and it went smooth as silk. Just my .03 !!

Russ
 
That is what Small Claims Court addresses

ShootingArts said:
Dale,

Hopefully Bob does the paypal thing or sends you a certified check or postal money order via certified mail and ends this matter. If not odds are long on the DA being interested. Anything that is both a civil and criminal matter they are quick to reject unless it is a slamdunk case with major dollars or publicity involved. Been there with both local DA's in two jurisdictions and one 2000 miles away. The guy I contacted the DA about 2000 miles away had a thousand dollar deposit of mine and was over ten times later than he had promised completion of a custom he was making for me. No return of phone calls or e-mails, no contact at all. In the end I had to prove that I could track him to where he lived, not just his business, and that I was willing to travel to resolve the matter to get him to perform. The guy eventually had over eighty federal charges lodged against him, the local DA still wasn't interested.

In the case under discussion in this thread it is doubtful that any crime has been committed, even more doubtful that it could be proven a crime was committed. DA's don't mess with such cases.

Good luck, I hope this deal is over with.

Hu
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I have been reading every word of this. Lets not start a new contraversy.
We've talked of grammer, writing, reading, run on sentences, no paragraphs. I read of being PC of which I am a big fan. I have made my decision of who I will and will not do business with in this thread.

I have learned a great deal about my AZ family. Someone even sniped about stealing but so far there has been no mention of criminal behavior. If Dale has to go the legal route. His best path will be small claims court. IMO
 
Maybe it would have been more appropriate to say he was trying to "Trudeau him down"....:D

Southpaw
 
So I guess you're not jewish?

Neil said:
I wasn't going to post this, but I will. This is to all those that took offence at Bob saying "jew me down". Some have called him anti-semitic and bad-repped him just for this statement. To those to whom it is applicable, do you even know what the term means?

A number of years back, when there were still a lot of small shops, not the megastores you see today, a good number of the jews were business owners. They tended to gather a reputation for their business accumen. They were known as very shrewd businessmen. Back then, there was a lot of haggling or bartering on the price of goods. Both in selling, and in buying. The jews quickly garnered a reputation as being very tough to negotiate with. More often than not, they would end up with the better part of the deal.

That is where the term 'jew them down' came from. They were so good at their negotiating that a new term came about because of them. It was something others looked up to and admired about them. Very, very shrewd.

So, when someone says that term, they are not degrading anyone. They are actually paying a compliment to them. It actually means getting a seller to sell for less than they really wanted to. It is not an anti-semitic statement, it is a pro-semitic statement.

So if you are going to get down on someone for saying something, at least know what they said first.
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WOW!!! What a great way to put a good spin on something insulting.:confused: NOTE MY SARCASM!!!
?Jew? as an adjective (?Jew lawyer?) is an ethnic insult; the word is ?Jewish.? But people who object to ?Jew? as a noun are being oversensitive. Most Jews are proud to be called Jews. The expression ?to Jew someone down"?an expression meaning ?to bargain for a lower price??reflects a grossly insulting stereotype and should be avoided in all contexts.

Every insult can be SPUN to show a good light on it - in one's persons own mind. That is why bigots do not realize they are bigots.

Michael
 
Neil said:
I wasn't going to post this, but I will. This is to all those that took offence at Bob saying "jew me down". Some have called him anti-semitic and bad-repped him just for this statement. To those to whom it is applicable, do you even know what the term means?

A number of years back, when there were still a lot of small shops, not the megastores you see today, a good number of the jews were business owners. They tended to gather a reputation for their business accumen. They were known as very shrewd businessmen. Back then, there was a lot of haggling or bartering on the price of goods. Both in selling, and in buying. The jews quickly garnered a reputation as being very tough to negotiate with. More often than not, they would end up with the better part of the deal.

That is where the term 'jew them down' came from. They were so good at their negotiating that a new term came about because of them. It was something others looked up to and admired about them. Very, very shrewd.

So, when someone says that term, they are not degrading anyone. They are actually paying a compliment to them. It actually means getting a seller to sell for less than they really wanted to. It is not an anti-semitic statement, it is a pro-semitic statement.

So if you are going to get down on someone for saying something, at least know what they said first.
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... and the "N" word really isn't an insult either right? Are you for real? Honestly? " Jew me down" is a pro-semitic statement?... On what planet? Well as a jew I can certainly tell you that I don't feel all warm and fuzzy inside when I hear that in a conversation. I certainly don't think to myself, "wow that fellow over there holds ppl of my race in high regard!".

Serge
 
Neil said:
I wasn't going to post this, but I will. This is to all those that took offence at Bob saying "jew me down". Some have called him anti-semitic and bad-repped him just for this statement. To those to whom it is applicable, do you even know what the term means?

A number of years back, when there were still a lot of small shops, not the megastores you see today, a good number of the jews were business owners. They tended to gather a reputation for their business accumen. They were known as very shrewd businessmen. Back then, there was a lot of haggling or bartering on the price of goods. Both in selling, and in buying. The jews quickly garnered a reputation as being very tough to negotiate with. More often than not, they would end up with the better part of the deal.

That is where the term 'jew them down' came from. They were so good at their negotiating that a new term came about because of them. It was something others looked up to and admired about them. Very, very shrewd.

So, when someone says that term, they are not degrading anyone. They are actually paying a compliment to them. It actually means getting a seller to sell for less than they really wanted to. It is not an anti-semitic statement, it is a pro-semitic statement.

So if you are going to get down on someone for saying something, at least know what they said first.
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Neil,

I'm not Jewish and not trying to start an arguement but I think your rationale is flawed. Just because something begins as innocent doesn't mean it is always intended that way. Case in point, the origin of the "N" word was not meant as a derogatory term, however I think anyone would have a hard time convincing people today that it was meant in a nice way.
It is my opinion, and I could be wrong, that Bob had no idea where the term came from, only that it is a strong way to say that someone was trying to bring a price down.

Regards,
Koop
 
Neil said:
I wasn't going to post this, but I will. This is to all those that took offence at Bob saying "jew me down". Some have called him anti-semitic and bad-repped him just for this statement. To those to whom it is applicable, do you even know what the term means?

A number of years back, when there were still a lot of small shops, not the megastores you see today, a good number of the jews were business owners. They tended to gather a reputation for their business accumen. They were known as very shrewd businessmen. Back then, there was a lot of haggling or bartering on the price of goods. Both in selling, and in buying. The jews quickly garnered a reputation as being very tough to negotiate with. More often than not, they would end up with the better part of the deal.

That is where the term 'jew them down' came from. They were so good at their negotiating that a new term came about because of them. It was something others looked up to and admired about them. Very, very shrewd.

So, when someone says that term, they are not degrading anyone. They are actually paying a compliment to them. It actually means getting a seller to sell for less than they really wanted to. It is not an anti-semitic statement, it is a pro-semitic statement.

So if you are going to get down on someone for saying something, at least know what they said first.
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Wow, learn something new every day......

So that now means the term "Nig*** rich" is a compliment as well?

I'm jus' sayin'...... :rolleyes:

-Ross

ps - for the record, Stan gets really pissed when Cartman keeps calling him a "Jew"....
 
Neil, please

Neil said:
So to you saying someone is really good at what they do is insulting. Interesting.

By the way, you are the one trying to put a spin on an old good term to try and make it an insult. I suppose to you saying someone drinks like an Irishman (which means they can really hold their beer) would be an insult too?
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quit while you're behind.

MM...Irish and offended (and tipsy:p )
 
Huh!!!!!

Neil said:
So to you saying someone is really good at what they do is insulting. Interesting.

By the way, you are the one trying to put a spin on an old good term to try and make it an insult. I suppose to you saying someone drinks like an Irishman (which means they can really hold their beer) would be an insult too?
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:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
Is this guy for real?
Please tell me this is barkcinnamon.
 
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