Madisonbob Untrusting Client Snowmon34

reading all the attacks on the man's grammar and syntax is more tireing than the anti-semitisim,which i am sure was not meant to be that.really no reason to belittle someone for bad grammar or syntax.

i have to say that Bob has the opportunity to make this all right right now.Dale has agreed to do everything Bob's way.i know Dale and he is a straight up guy,and i am 100% sure he wouldn't try to cheat anyone out of $75,but none of that matters now.he has offered to pay the extra amount in question so there should be no problems finishing the cues.
 
Poolplaya9 said:
That second quote was taken directly from this thread posted by you early today:
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=90524

Bob, you sir are a real piece of work.

Now the question is, how are YOU going to resolve this Bob? Dale has offered to pay your inflated price if you ship the cues to a trusted person that you both know. This is way more than reasonable on his part. So are you going to make ANY effort to resolve this problem Bob?
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Poolplaya,

I find it real strange that Bob won't respond to my postings......again Mr Bob Griffin.....I will pay your inflated price of 375.00 per cue...ship them to your trusted friend and customer Dave Hughes and I will pay the remainder of the balance as you have requested COD....what do you say Bob?

Dale
 
bob griffin said:
i never agreed to a finish date do to heart problems at the time dale ordered i was just getting caught back up. i told him i would try to work them in here and there to finish them at a reasonable time. most cue builders such as myself are behind a year are more i believe my future holds contract orders only. were the down payment is held for earnest money like the sale of a house you don,t pay the rest you loose the down payment. its hard to sometimes fill orders on time the woods all don,t act the same when cut some must sit longer than others to overcome stress pulling at the grain do to oil content of the woods and grain structure of certain woods. madison bob
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I believe your future holds a lot less orders. I don't know anyone that is aware of this situation that wants to enter into any kind of contract with you, so you might just forget the contract work.

Bob, make this right already. He has offered a solution where he is giving WAY more than you, and it should be the other way around. Are you going to make ANY effort to resolve this and accept his offer?? Or are you just going to flat steal this mans money? He has waited long enough already, let him know immediately that you are accepting his offer, or stealing his money, whichever one it is that you choose.
 
I was until now refraining from giving Bob Griffin negative rep, in the hopes that he was just being hard headed and would make everything right. I now think that he has removed any and all doubt about what kind of person he is and negative rep has now been given. I encourage others to do the same.
 
bob griffin said:
i never agreed to a finish date do to heart problems at the time dale ordered i was just getting caught back up. i told him i would try to work them in here and there to finish them at a reasonable time. most cue builders such as myself are behind a year are more i believe my future holds contract orders only. were the down payment is held for earnest money like the sale of a house you don,t pay the rest you loose the down payment. its hard to sometimes fill orders on time the woods all don,t act the same when cut some must sit longer than others to overcome stress pulling at the grain do to oil content of the woods and grain structure of certain woods. madison bob
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YES you agreed to an approx finsh time frame....Bob it was 3 months...if you couldn't supply an approx delivery date theres no way in hell I would of sent you 525.00...that would of been stupid on my part
 
Thanks for your support

masonh said:
reading all the attacks on the man's grammar and syntax is more tireing than the anti-semitisim,which i am sure was not meant to be that.really no reason to belittle someone for bad grammar or syntax.

i have to say that Bob has the opportunity to make this all right right now.Dale has agreed to do everything Bob's way.i know Dale and he is a straight up guy,and i am 100% sure he wouldn't try to cheat anyone out of $75,but none of that matters now.he has offered to pay the extra amount in question so there should be no problems finishing the cues.
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Mason thanks for the kind words.....hows my sneaky coming along? :D

Dale
 
i got the blank in,but haven't cut it yet.it will actuall be in the next batch of cues.

also the price just went up.:D
 
would,nt answer

snowmon34 said:
Lee,

I have agreed to pay the inflated price of 375.00 per cue.....I wonder why Bob won't respond to my request to finalize the deal.......Bob lets complete this transaction.....I'm giving you everything you want.

Dale
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lee is this why when you told me you were coming over to look at some machines and never showed you would,nt answer the phone when i called ? then when i got you to answer you said the tax man had gotton all your cash and you no longer wanted the machine because you were broke even thou i had been holding them for you for over 30 days on your word. only to have you post on az about 2 weeks later saying you just recieved and payed for your newly ordered inlay machine from alighnrite tools and had ordered another for yourself. and you would,nt know how long it would take to build a sneaky the right way anyway. as for health issues i hope you are your family never have to deal with health issues and if you do i wish you the best there something that just don,t go away over night i have heart decease high sugar and have had 2 heart surgerys and many other problems with my health its not some thing i use its something i.am forced to live with even thou i can,t stand you are your ways i don,t wish this on you and if it happens i would show you the respect you deserve not sit and be uncompassionet this shows your a none caring person out to take from people for your gain thats why you,ve only taken from this sport and have never given anything other than a product here and there hoping they would come back and buy from you and you could take some more of there money how many people out there has old lee given a little dollar item to here and there ????? thats how he trys to make you think hes a great guy read his post i think you,ll see thru the little dollar items after you read this above what a guy. may you have many years of great health lee you and your love ones and i do mean that for real. MADISON BOB
 
I can't believe whats happening here......I've agreed to pay Bob's inflated price.....I'm offering Bob to send the cues to a trusted friend of his in my area....I will pay Dave Hughes the remainder of the balance in Cash....What more do you want MB? Lets complete this transaction, I'm sure everybody wants to see a resolution here.....play ball MB.

Dale
 
Bob, make this right already. He has offered a solution where he is giving WAY more than you to include everything you wanted, when it really should be the other way around.

Are you going to make ANY effort to resolve this and accept his offer?? Or are you just going to continue to refuse to communicate with him and just steal his money?

He has waited long enough already, let him know immediately that you are accepting his offer, or stealing his money, whichever one it is that you are choosing.
 
"lee is this why when you told me you were coming over to look at some machines and never showed you would,nt answer the phone when i called ? then when i got you to answer you said the tax man had gotton all your cash and you no longer wanted the machine because you were broke even thou i had been holding them for you for over 30 days on your word. only to have you post on az about 2 weeks later saying you just recieved and payed for your newly ordered inlay machine from alighnrite tools and had ordered another for yourself. and you would,nt know how long it would take to build a sneaky the right way anyway."

wow.
 
Mis-understandings

This deal could have been avoided with a simple worksheet that both parties could approve prior to commencement of work. If you want to see something professional in Cue
World, order a cue from Bob Flynn at Denali. All parties know every detail about what's being expected from the down payment to all materials, weights, sizes, etc.. He even quotes a due date for the cue (that he actually hits, no less!). I know that lots of people think this kind of paperwork is a hassle, but it beats having the kind of misunderstanding that we have here.

Steve[/QUOTE]

Steve: Thanks for atta-boy. Actually, without a detailed worksheet I would be completely lost. I build 2 or 3 cues a week and wouldn't have a clue
without a worksheet on who wants what when. When the cue is completely
finished I e-mail a pic for the customers final approval. I just apply the golden rule.

Bob Flynn
www.denalicues.com
International Cuemakers Assoc.
 
Wow. I've read this entire thread, and a while back I read the entire thread with the previous MB issue.

I must say, Bob sure has had the opportunity to show he is an honest stand-up businessman. He failed miserably to do that. When this complete failure was brought to his (and our) attention, rather than take this new opportunity to restore his name, he really drove it into the ground and took a big dump on it.

Bob has taken on the role that many people do: "The Victim". Bob is a victim because this choice allows one to shed responsibility for their own failures. Bob demands compassion from people, but is not willing to show compassion for himself. If he did, he would just say that he had a tough time and screwed up. He clearly dropped the ball, and most people would be ok with that if he just said "I screwed up". Instead Bob is implying that someone else is responsible for Bob's failure. Damn shame to see a person so lost.

Bob--a solution has been served to you on a silver platter. You don't even have to face the fact that you are a dishonest waste of a businessmann. You don't have to admit to anything, take any responsibilty, or show any signs of moral character. All you have to do is send the cues and take your money. Perhaps you can get the cues out in time for a nice passover celebration for Dale.

In the words of Dr. Suess, "I wouldn't touch you with a thirty-nine-and-a-half-foot pole"

Good luck with life. I seriously do hope your health improves. It would be good to have enough life left to learn to appreciate the lessons life has to offer.

KMRUNOUT
 
Dale, explain the dollars please

Dale,

What you are offering isn't anything new, the COD deal was rejected before these threads started from what I read. However I am still trying to understand the dollars deal and this is a serious request for you to explain it.

What part of the $525 was your money and what part was someone else's? It doesn't make sense that you put up half again more than your cue was supposed to cost to save a few dollars on a bulk purchase. Maybe you did, but that doesn't pass the "reasonable person" test. Did you put up an extra $175 to save $25?

If a refund is given, are other people owed money? If you buy the two cues, are you buying them with all your money or partially monies that the other two "buyers" paid as a deposit? (as I read it Bob has sold one cue, correct?)

I would like to see this matter resolved but it seems that there are two people who were involved with this deal that have had no input here as yet. That leaves me uncertain that any settlement between you and Bob is the end of the matter.

Hu



snowmon34 said:
I can't believe whats happening here......I've agreed to pay Bob's inflated price.....I'm offering Bob to send the cues to a trusted friend of his in my area....I will pay Dave Hughes the remainder of the balance in Cash....What more do you want MB? Lets complete this transaction, I'm sure everybody wants to see a resolution here.....play ball MB.

Dale
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ShootingArts said:
Dale,

What you are offering isn't anything new, the COD deal was rejected before these threads started from what I read. However I am still trying to understand the dollars deal and this is a serious request for you to explain it.

What part of the $525 was your money and what part was someone else's? It doesn't make sense that you put up half again more than your cue was supposed to cost to save a few dollars on a bulk purchase. Maybe you did, but that doesn't pass the "reasonable person" test. Did you put up an extra $175 to save $25?

If a refund is given, are other people owed money? If you buy the two cues, are you buying them with all your money or partially monies that the other two "buyers" paid as a deposit? (as I read it Bob has sold one cue, correct?)

I would like to see this matter resolved but it seems that there are two people who were involved with this deal that have had no input here as yet. That leaves me uncertain that any settlement between you and Bob is the end of the matter.

Hu
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Hu,

The other parties are no longer involved...I refunded their down payments they no longer want the cues..The whole dime is on me.....The 525.00 deposit is 100% mine.....the remainder of the balance will be paid by me, and by me cod. Hu Bob has a close friend and customer in my area......infact Bob's close friend Dave hughes has been to Bob's shop several times ...why wouldnt Bob send the cues to him COD.....I would pay Dave the balance in cash.......doesnt that make sense....at this point there is no way that I would send Bob more money before delivery.....my proposition makes more sense and it protects both parties imo....

Dale
 
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