Make sure your getting the tip you ordered and not just the one the repair guy has in
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I did this one time on purpose,,,,,,
One time the cue stickman in Minn only had a kamui s. i had him put it on. The difference was huge. It did feel like a rock compared to the ss. I drove myself nuts trying to play with it for about 1 month. I really like that soft spinny hit.
It's kind of like someone sneaking a 9 iron onto your bag that says 9 but is really a 7.
i'll bet everyone in the pros wishes they had one of those.
We could run a special. Step right up and get your, guess what it is golf club. This is alot better. Now you can just guess how hard to hit it.
You might get lucky and hit it better sometimes.
One time the cue stickman in Minn only had a kamui s. i had him put it on. The difference was huge. It did feel like a rock compared to the ss. I drove myself nuts trying to play with it for about 1 month. I really like that soft spinny hit.
It's kind of like someone sneaking a 9 iron onto your bag that says 9 but is really a 7.
i'll bet everyone in the pros wishes they had one of those.
We could run a special. Step right up and get your, guess what it is golf club. This is alot better. Now you can just guess how hard to hit it.
You might get lucky and hit it better sometimes.
So what you are saying is that he played with the same tip every time (and cue, etc.) I wonder how it would have gone for him if someone changed his tip to something different without him knowing...
KMRUNOUT
Let's say you have Willie Mosconi's skill. Now, you have another choice. Play with a tip you like, or a tip you don't like. Which do you choose? This conversations is about tips...
KMRUNOUT
The man you are referring to is Doug Hale. In his prime of shooting,late 80's to early 90's he was definitely a force on the table. He quit playing for a while and made a comeback of sorts a few years ago. I haven't heard of him playing pool since.
I will excuse your ignorance due to your low skill level. If you knew what it took to play well, you would realise that making a change to your equipment is huge.
If you gave Doug Hale a different cue before each tournament, he would have been lucky to get in the top 3.
The same would be true for Mosconi or any Pro nowadays. If you gave them a different tip/cue right before they played in a top tourney, they would be lucky to cash. Every cue has a different deflection/squirt and each tip plays a lil different.
Lil sidenote: we all played with Le Pros back in the 80's, except a few who had Elkmasters. There wasn't much of a choice then.
Cocobolo, I think it's you who does not understand. Granted, skill will always outplay equipment. No one would dispute that.
But I do think that if Willie ever payed say $35 to have a Kamui S tip put on and recieved a Med instead he would know after the first shot and then open a can of Philly whoop ass on the cue crook.
The man ordered a product. Switching without prior approval is theft. End of story.
But I do think that if Willie ever payed say $35 to have a Kamui S tip put on and recieved a Med instead he would know after the first shot and then open a can of Philly whoop ass on the cue crook.
The man ordered a product. Switching without prior approval is theft. End of story.
I got that point, but some times you have to Adapt, Overcome, and Improvise. The world is not perfect, and I buy my TIPS from Mueller's, and when I need a TIP put on I take it to the local guy, he always uses my Tip so I know what I am getting, plus he can't be out of my preference.
Believe it or not I have a little box of Tips on the shelf, when I get down to only two. I order some more, as a few times during installation, let say there have been Tips that just don't go on right, or it was nice to have a backup Tip.
I tried playing with it today just to see......
Last night I played with it again. I was just giving some lessons at Madsens in Lincoln and shot some inbetween. I just could not get the spin and shape that I can with the ss soft. There is a world of difference.
I've been shooting with a predator Icon with a 314-2 shaft. This is the cue i had retipped.
I got out my old custom cue with a 314-2 predator shaft. it's a liitle bit heavier but plays pretty close. I made balls and got my shape as effortless as before.
I've had other people put on my tips since I've been using kamuis because they say you need to cut them down with a razor so they don't delaminate.
From now on though i think the only solution for me is to see the ss on the tip and be right there watching when they put it on.
Just like Coco here many guys that put on the tips don't know the drastic difference it makes when you are playing at a higher level. One missed shape in a race to 9 was the difference in the matches that i played for money. Plus the confidence is really shattered when you are not getting to where you want to get with whitey.
One guy that puts on tips kidded around with me saying that he could have just shaped up the tip I had on and told me it was new and I probably wouldn't know the difference. He said most players would't know for sure.
I told him I would know something because i like that extra little spring you get from a ss kamui when it is brand new.
There again he doesn't know what a difference it makes.
Last night I played with it again. I was just giving some lessons at Madsens in Lincoln and shot some inbetween. I just could not get the spin and shape that I can with the ss soft. There is a world of difference.
I've been shooting with a predator Icon with a 314-2 shaft. This is the cue i had retipped.
I got out my old custom cue with a 314-2 predator shaft. it's a liitle bit heavier but plays pretty close. I made balls and got my shape as effortless as before.
I've had other people put on my tips since I've been using kamuis because they say you need to cut them down with a razor so they don't delaminate.
From now on though i think the only solution for me is to see the ss on the tip and be right there watching when they put it on.
Just like Coco here many guys that put on the tips don't know the drastic difference it makes when you are playing at a higher level. One missed shape in a race to 9 was the difference in the matches that i played for money. Plus the confidence is really shattered when you are not getting to where you want to get with whitey.
One guy that puts on tips kidded around with me saying that he could have just shaped up the tip I had on and told me it was new and I probably wouldn't know the difference. He said most players would't know for sure.
I told him I would know something because i like that extra little spring you get from a ss kamui when it is brand new.
There again he doesn't know what a difference it makes.
The guy that put the tip on came into the room while I was playing.......
I was gambling and having one heck of a time when in came the guy that put on my tip. At this time i didn't know that the tip was not what I wanted.
I took my cue over to the side and started sanding the tip to taper it more. They say your not supposed to sand a kanmui but i thought that might be the problem. too flat.
He came over to let me know I shouldn't be sanding on it. I knew before he got there what he was going to say.
I continued to play and the shaping didn't help much at all.
After I was done playing is when I asked him. What tip did you put on there. He replied kamui soft. I told him I said I wanted a kamui ss. He appoligized and said he would put me on a ss kamui tomorrow. So i know it wasn't because he didn't have the ss kamui tan. He just put on the wrong one.
I didn't get back down to the tourny the next day right away and they were gone. I'll run into him again at another tourny. He's a good guy and is very knowledgeable, just made a very bad decision/mistake with my equipment.
That tip cost me $200. Actually more because I'm very confident that I would have won both sets if I would have had the correct tip on the cue.
So really it cost me $400 + $30 for the tip.
Sad thing is he knows how I play and he got to watch me struggle with his tip job.
the good news is that when I see this guy that I played he is not going to like the matchup when we meet again and I'm going to his home town in the near future. I might pick up some rail action.
But then again i might now like it at all. that's why we play. To see who gets the cash that day.
It wouldn't be fun at all if you always knew who was going to win.
But it is fun when you think you have the nutz and the cash goes into your pocket. For some reason I really sleep better on those nights.
One man, a van and the Road..............
I was gambling and having one heck of a time when in came the guy that put on my tip. At this time i didn't know that the tip was not what I wanted.
I took my cue over to the side and started sanding the tip to taper it more. They say your not supposed to sand a kanmui but i thought that might be the problem. too flat.
He came over to let me know I shouldn't be sanding on it. I knew before he got there what he was going to say.
I continued to play and the shaping didn't help much at all.
After I was done playing is when I asked him. What tip did you put on there. He replied kamui soft. I told him I said I wanted a kamui ss. He appoligized and said he would put me on a ss kamui tomorrow. So i know it wasn't because he didn't have the ss kamui tan. He just put on the wrong one.
I didn't get back down to the tourny the next day right away and they were gone. I'll run into him again at another tourny. He's a good guy and is very knowledgeable, just made a very bad decision/mistake with my equipment.
That tip cost me $200. Actually more because I'm very confident that I would have won both sets if I would have had the correct tip on the cue.
So really it cost me $400 + $30 for the tip.
Sad thing is he knows how I play and he got to watch me struggle with his tip job.
the good news is that when I see this guy that I played he is not going to like the matchup when we meet again and I'm going to his home town in the near future. I might pick up some rail action.
But then again i might now like it at all. that's why we play. To see who gets the cash that day.
It wouldn't be fun at all if you always knew who was going to win.
But it is fun when you think you have the nutz and the cash goes into your pocket. For some reason I really sleep better on those nights.
One man, a van and the Road..............
Can't argue, just wondering, would Hale have played as well each time with a Cuetec, Irish linen wrap and a Elk tip? Hard question to answer unless he played all the games over.
Me? I would like to have Mosconis game but it aint happening.:smile:
I always put on what the customer asked for, if I don't have what they want I will make a reccomendation and then order what they really wanted..... Just in case they didn't like my alternative.
I agree whole heartedly that a ss plays different than a s....... If they didn't I'm sure kamui wouldn't offer them.
Just my .02
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I agree whole heartedly that a ss plays different than a s....... If they didn't I'm sure kamui wouldn't offer them.
Just my .02
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Well Geno maybe you should splain how Old Willie Mosconi did so well at Pool without all this Hi Tech Modern Sticks, Shafts, Tips, Chalk etc. I think it was Willie's skill, and nothing more. Some of Willie's records are still being spoken of years after his death.
Willie Mosconi was a GREAT AMBASSADORS for Pool, and of Pool. Don't think we have very many today playing Pool who could wear Willie Shoes.
JMHO.
White Wolf, no offense taken, My entire post was tongue in cheek.
But I guess you couldn't see my tongue when I was typing the post.
But I guess you couldn't see my tongue when I was typing the post.
People That Don't Gamble Don't Have A Clue
I don't understand why you would discuss gambling with someone that won't bet that water is wet? You, playing with the wrong equipment, could be a huge advantage to a lesser player playing with equipment they play with all the time. Like Geno said, " one shot can make a big difference in your bankroll." All you are doing is helping this guy up his post count.
I don't understand why you would discuss gambling with someone that won't bet that water is wet? You, playing with the wrong equipment, could be a huge advantage to a lesser player playing with equipment they play with all the time. Like Geno said, " one shot can make a big difference in your bankroll." All you are doing is helping this guy up his post count.
I may try to sell a different tip, but only if I am positive they will like.
Just because I typically know what tip or ferrule is best for each situation, with all of the different personalities involved, we wait get in the right material if we don't have it.
We do a lot of extra stuff just to make sure that the player gets exactly what he wants.
If the shaft has to sit for a few days, thats OK.
When someone doesn't care what gets, we still may order the tip or ferrule that we think he (or she) should have.
It's kind of a big deal to do it right, and with some of the players we know, I won't name names but let's call him "measureman", it's a real big deal.
We also know that the good player is going to be happy, but the non-player takes one shot, misses, and says he doesn't like it.
We are just the installers, hired to screw-on a few tips, turn a few ferrules, per the specifications.
Just because I typically know what tip or ferrule is best for each situation, with all of the different personalities involved, we wait get in the right material if we don't have it.
We do a lot of extra stuff just to make sure that the player gets exactly what he wants.
If the shaft has to sit for a few days, thats OK.
When someone doesn't care what gets, we still may order the tip or ferrule that we think he (or she) should have.
It's kind of a big deal to do it right, and with some of the players we know, I won't name names but let's call him "measureman", it's a real big deal.
We also know that the good player is going to be happy, but the non-player takes one shot, misses, and says he doesn't like it.
We are just the installers, hired to screw-on a few tips, turn a few ferrules, per the specifications.
Coco why all the hate for Geno? Almost every time he posts something you try and put him down. This has went on for a couple of years now. Don't you think it's time to get over your jealousy of his talent an let it go. There is no doubt Willie was one of the best of all time but everytime Geno states his opinion on pool you go off on a rant about Willies talent. Do you think Willie would still be using the same equipment he used back then? I really doubt it.
Wow, you have got to stop referencing Willie Mosconi, and comparing everything today to him.
If he were alive today, he'd be playing with modern equipment. Perhaps not with Kamuii chalk, or an LD shaft, (though maybe he would, too) but rest assured that he would be using better stuff than he played with "back in the day".
Just because he played as well as he did "then" doesn't mean he would forsake technological improvements NOW. It is a tired argument. Do you think Tiger Woods should play with equipment that Ben Hogan used to use, while competing against Phil and the rest of the other pro's? Sheesh....
Stop crying about new stuff. It's OK if you don't wanna buy it or support it, but stop acting like a grumpy old man. (Willie Mosconi didn't have a fancy case made by JB Cases, either, I'll wager.) Things change, every generation. It did when you were younger, too. Maybe not as fast, but things changed, compared to previous generations. That's not always bad, and it's not always good. But to keep railing against change here makes you rather tiresome. And you can be more thoughtful than that, I have seen it.
Dub I agree, sometimes change is for the good, sometimes not.
As long as they don't come out with a spring loaded pool cue its all good.
Ooops, I was wrong.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZceOrsfoug
As long as they don't come out with a spring loaded pool cue its all good.
Ooops, I was wrong.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZceOrsfoug