Mark Tadd

Funny thing is he will gamble at poker. Go figure.
I do like Mark too. He can come up with some interesting ideas sometimes. He has a unique perspective on things.
 
jay helfert said:
Funny thing is he will gamble at poker. Go figure.
I do like Mark too. He can come up with some interesting ideas sometimes. He has a unique perspective on things.

Would he consider playing in exhibition matches where both players get payed something? I know that I would pay to see him play someone like John Schmidt in an all-around format.
 
jay helfert said:
He was just practicing. He was ALWAYS practicing between matches.
Its funny you say that Jay, because thats actually how I got to meet Mark. I ran into him everywhere at DCC. He was in the action room practicing, the main room, the chapel, upstairs, it didnt matter. Anywhere there was a free table the was there practicing. Plus his "Budweiser" cue kind of caught my attention. I started talking to him when he was on a table next to me and he seemed like a great guy. My buddy played Jose Parica in the mini-tournament, and after the match my buddy and I were BS'ing around with Jose and the next thing we knew Mark was over practicing on the table and jumped in the conversation. Just watching Mark play that week, there is no doubt in my mind he would have been one of the best if he hadnt taken all that time off. But each has to make their own choices to do whats best for their own situaion.
 
jay helfert said:
Mark rarely plays pool anymore. He is into his faith and being a good man. When he did play, he was as good as ANYONE alive. He had what I call a big game, the ability to string racks at will. Only a few players were ever in his league. Earl, Dennis, Swanee and maybe Buddy were there.

And Mark was not reluctant to bet it up either. He would enter a tournament room and woof at everyone present, including Francisco and Johnny. This wasn't the internet either. He was right in their face asking them to play and bet high. There were few if any takers. I saw Rafael get down with him and he couldn't get there. Lining caught Mark when he was in the middle of a poker binge. Lucky for him.

Sigel flat refused to play Mark. Mark wasn't stupid though. He left Parica out of the conversation. When Jose entered the room at the Bicycle Club, Mark was very respectful. He also drew the line at Buddy. Everyone else was fair game for him. CJ caught Mark when he was pumped with poker money in Vegas and took him off good. Mark just wasn't ready for a red hot CJ at that moment. I confess I bet on CJ that night. I knew Mark had no chance. Now if Mark had been playing, I would have left it alone.

P.S. Mark played great at DCC this year, getting two top ten finishes. Not bad for a part time player.

I have an accu-stats tape of Sigel beating Tadd 13-5. I can't imagine Sigel not wanting to play anyone, but I don't know.
 
metallicane said:
I have an accu-stats tape of Sigel beating Tadd 13-5. I can't imagine Sigel not wanting to play anyone, but I don't know.

What is your point? Jay is a liar?

And, 1 set determines who is the best?! SHEEEAT! I beat Parica, therefore I AM THE BEST! Hooray.
 
I never said Jay was a liar. Jay has forgotten more about the game than I will ever know. I am just saying that I find it hard to believe (never said I did not believe it) that someone as good as Sigel would duck anyone. It seems to be confirmed that Sigel was not the greatest money player, maybe he was just a great tournament player. I have seen Mike play and if I had his ability, I would play anyone.
 
metallicane said:
I never said Jay was a liar. Jay has forgotten more about the game than I will ever know. I am just saying that I find it hard to believe (never said I did not believe it) that someone as good as Sigel would duck anyone. It seems to be confirmed that Sigel was not the greatest money player, maybe he was just a great tournament player. I have seen Mike play and if I had his ability, I would play anyone.

That's one of the things that separates the truly great players from us mere mortals. They have the ability to just WATCH a player, and analyze their game down to the nuts and bolts.

Mike Sigel won many many many tournaments. That's a given.

Why?

Because he played technically perfect pool, match after match. By this, I mean he played good position, always got out when he was supposed to, and played locakdown safes when there was a doubt.

Mark Tadd? He would just try his best to put a 7-10 pack on you, and had the ability to do so.

Now, imagine fading that kind of heat. You play someone like that a long ahead set, and EVEN IF you are playing the "correct shot" 100% of the time, all it takes is ONE mistake, and the guy might run the set out on you.

The reason some really really really good players ducked Mark Tadd, is he bet as high as you would possibly bet, and then he rarely dogged a shot for that kind of money.

That's the same reason why Mark was respectful of Buddy and Jose back then. Buddy OR Jose were both MORE than capable of playing perfect sets, just like Mark, but THEY were probably a bit more knowledgable on percentages and such.

Playing anyone but Archer, Buddy, Parica, etc.. Mark could get away with running two and safe, and missing the safe slightly. I've seen many matches of Archer, Buddy, and Jose shutting someone DOWN if they are even the slightest bit off. And they played BETTER for the cash.

There are players that are terrific tournament players, and there are people who are terrific gamblers. The tournament players stand up well to tournament pressure, and are able to bring their A game for every match. The gamblers are able to play their A game, or very close to it, for 6-18 hours straight, and can deal well when someone runs 5 racks on them. Some, can do both.

Sigel i don't think was ever known as much of a gambler. Sure, he gambled big sometimes against some of the greats, but I think forst and foremost, he was a percentage player. There's not much positive expectation to playing all-time greats for big money. Not much to be won playing someone who is a threat to run 5 racks EVERY time they come to the table, like Tadd was.

Russ
 
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One of my favorite pool stories involves Mark Tadd. I was at a tournament in Salt Lake City, Utah and five guys were playing a ring game, $10 a game, paying double for runs. Mark comes in gets into the game loses $30-$40 before he even shoots. When he does get a shot he wins that game then runs six racks at a $100/per. Mark unscrews his cue, says he's going to get some dinner and leaves. I don't think anyone in the game was sorry to see him go. By the way, he won the tournament that weekend too, beating Surfer Rod Curry in the finals.
 
Bigdogbret said:
... Mark comes in gets into the game loses $30-$40 before he even shoots. When he does get a shot he wins that game then runs six racks at a $100/per...
Bully alert!
 
I met Mark at the DCC this year and I have to thank you Jay for bringing him out. What a pleasure it was to meet a nice humble young man with a big stroke as his. He was so open and warm that you couldnt help cheer for him. I had heard many stories about him. Mostly about how good he was but also some bad ones as well. Well whatever he has done to change the course of his life he is doing fine. I hope he'll be there next year.
 
cincyman said:
So you took roids to get that big?? Did accomplish anything in life honestly? just a question not being a hater:D

Roids arnt cheating, what the do in a overly simplified way is they all you to train more often because your recovery times is shortened. You still have to put in the same amount of work, just in a shorter period of time. You dont get size for free you gotta pay your dues. your not a hater your a stalker. there is no doubt in my mind you would love to own the cars I do, been with the girls I have, stayed in the hotels, flown in the private jets I have, owned the mansions I have, traveled the world like I have, Bought your parents a house like I did, sent kids to private school, but you never will following another mans foot steps, your a follower i'm a leader.
 
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Fatboy said:
Roids arnt cheating, what the do in a overly simplified way is they all you to train more often because your recovery times is shortened. You still have to put in the same amount of work, just in a shorter period of time. You dont get size for free you gotta pay your dues. your not a hater your a stalker. there is no doubt in my mind you would love to own the cars I do, been with the girls I have, stayed in the hotels, flown in the private jets I have, traveled the world like I have, Bought your parents a house like I did, sent kids to private school, but you never will following another mans foot steps, your a follower i'm a leader.

Nice...:cool:

Lots seem to want to be you, instead of being happy with all they have.

I'm living the Dream... Good job, nice house, healthy family. My dream is just not funded to the same extent.
 
Fatboy said:
Roids arnt cheating, what the do in a overly simplified way is they all you to train more often because your recovery times is shortened. You still have to put in the same amount of work, just in a shorter period of time. You dont get size for free you gotta pay your dues. your not a hater your a stalker. there is no doubt in my mind you would love to own the cars I do, been with the girls I have, stayed in the hotels, flown in the private jets I have, owned the mansions I have, traveled the world like I have, Bought your parents a house like I did, sent kids to private school, but you never will following another mans foot steps, your a follower i'm a leader.
LOL what time is Jose Canseco coming over?
 
sunnyday said:
I thought you guys made peace...:confused:

S.
I was simply asking a question before, i thought it was valid and then i got reemed. jeez.

Does his response sound like that of a nice guy or a guy on full tilt:eek:

I am just upset i havent had his cars or girls or whatever else :( :(

Oh well back to my cave:eek:
 
cincyman said:
LOL what time is Jose Canseco coming over?


you i'm not sure, but I do have a true shrot story about him,


i used to go to A's games for years sat in the bleachers, I was a fat kid with nothing going on in my life, anyways one time we sneeked past the security guard into the good seats(yup another crime) and I saw what had to be the hottest girl I ever saw in my life, I was a virgin. I knew I had no shot at a girl that hot, everyone was looking at her it was crazy. Anyways she jumped over the wall into the dugout and I found out later on it was Jose's girl friend, that was one of the things that prompeted me to do what ever it takes to get what I WANT IN LIFE. I hated how I felt standing there staring at her helpless-I knew then that I had to get off my ass and make it happen. So I did.
 
sunnyday said:
I thought you guys made peace...:confused:

S.


were 110% cool far as I'm concerned.

infact I have no issue with anyone here.
 
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