My aunt is the best cook around-You should see the slippers she knits!!
Mark Wilson is GREAT
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My aunt is the best cook around-You should see the slippers she knits!!
I'd say it would be our kicking, which was absolutely terrible.
OK to disagree, Lou, and I'll always greet you as a valued friend whenever I see you, but it feels suspiciouslylike the past, a lot like 2013.
In 2013, our problems were similar.
1) We had a player who had gone 6-0 in the 2012 Mosconi Cup in Archer but he played poorly. In 2014, once again, the player that figured to be our anchor played poorly.
2) Shane was winless in singles in the 2013 event. Same thing in 2014.
3) On the 2013 team, we had a player who had won one of the toughest events of the year in Rodney Morris, the 2013 US Otpen 10-ball champion, who rallied from 9-2 behind to beat Orcullo in the final, but he didn't perform. Makes me think of Bergman this year, who won at Hard Times, beating Biado in the final to win the event. Bergman didn't play well in the Mosconi.
4) In 2013, we had two guys who were several years displaced from playing their best pool in Strickland and Hatch, two players whose best days were surely behind them. This year's team had Deuel and Schmidt, who are also on the downside of their careers.
Same old same old. Let's lose the veterans on the downside of their careers and go young. Shane, Mike D, Justin H, Justin B, Skylar W would have been a team with four guys in their twenties and if we had wanted to rebuild, we could have gone young. We didn't do it this year. Maybe next year we'll start rebuilding.
From a USA fan in the crowd
I disagree completely.
I'm not trying to hijack this thread, sorry.
I disagree completely.
I'm not trying to hijack this thread, sorry.
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Refreshing perspective, I'd let Barry Hearn know how you perceived the production he just did.
+1
This is a valid point. And with that said we can all agree there are more questions than answers for creating a system for professional pool in America. A challenging task to say the least.
That was one of the funniest things I've read all week. Thanks buddy.
Until one can create a career, a living and a life.....Nintey Nine.nine percent of all parents in the states will not lead kids down this path....PERIOD. With many players being near broke all the time, they have to do what it takes to get by, and those types of individuals are Extremely difficult to change. In my lifetime, if there was a handful of true pros that had family, how many groomed their children to play pool for a career? Archer is One of our few pros, who have a true family with children and a life, how many other pros in our country are in the same situation?
I think you owe Bergmian an apology for even considering comparing his performance and loss to Morris actions last year.
I just noted that they came in with promise for, more or less, the same reason. Each won over one of the toughest fields in America in their respective years. They both failed, and I neither stated nor implied that it was for the same reason,
Stu,
I agree with most of your post..
Tell me how Jeremy Sossei is left off your list?
Does best results, and best rankings mean anything?
Here is a list of the best tournies schedule in the U.S. (BCA)
This tells who is playing BEST against the BEST.
http://www.azbilliards.com/tours_and_events/bca-ranking/
BCA Events list
Event 1: 2013 Turning Stone Classic XX
Event 2: 2013 Derby City Classic
Event 3: 2013 Ultimate 10-Ball
Event 4: 2013 Southern Classic
Event 5: 2013 US Open 10-Ball
Event 6: 2013 US Open 8-Ball
Event 7: 2013 Turning Stone Classic XXI
Event 8: 2014 Derby City Classic
Yes, Sossei was worthy, but he's a thirty something. The point I was trying to make was that had we gone real young, this year's effort could have been viewed as a rebuilding effort, and that we didn't go young. Hence, as I see it, we wasted a chance to rebuild.
Jeremy had a great year and should have been on this team and I've posted as much on countless occasions.
Mosconi Cup AND 9-ball???
I don't agree with the basis of your post. But, I agree that Mosconi would not like his name associated with the exhibition. But, first it would evolve around 9-ball more than the raucous crowd (although he wouldn't be happy about that either). From what I've read about him, he looked down on 9-ball. I believe he would see it as dumbing down pool. And the raucous crowd is just a natural evolution of the game that has turned it's back on straight pool.
FWIW, I also wouldn't agree with him!
Watched some the other day.
The soccer match demeanor is just dominant. What a distraction. It is ESPN on
steroids.
So much for using the name Willie Mosconi. His family should sue.
Doubtful if he were alive, he would participate.
The presentation of the sport is demeaned by all the noise.
I notice that snooker is not treated in a similar manner.
Perhaps Mark Wilson can recruit a deaf team.
I don't agree with the basis of your post. But, I agree that Mosconi would not like his name associated with the exhibition. But, first it would evolve around 9-ball more than the raucous crowd (although he wouldn't be happy about that either). From what I've read about him, he looked down on 9-ball. I believe he would see it as dumbing down pool. And the raucous crowd is just a natural evolution of the game that has turned it's back on straight pool.
FWIW, I also wouldn't agree with him!
A smart coach would've realized Shane's "anchored himself down" in singles the whole event, and wouldn't have had him play the first two matches of the final day, with a loss on the line.
It was not that difficult to find a few players who play pool and act respectable.
It's not that difficult to win or lose graciously and be humble.
Most times the biggest aholes who have won an event are humble when interviewed.
You don't need a coach for any of the above.
Mark Wilson sat in his chair like a mummy at the Mosconi Cup.
His players were brain dead and I did not see much coaching taking them out of their mental coma. If he did apparantly his skills as a coach did not work because the players fell apart more as the games went on.
Since you feel the need to state how great he is I ask you this.
Who has he trained and coached ( not worked with a radar gun a few times ) that have won major titles? Champions?
What players, teams, in any sport, soccer,baseball, hockey,football. etc etc
has he coached that have won anything on a big stage?
If it's not much trouble please list his accomplishments, apparantly I have no clue what he has done as a coach.
I don't get all the hoopla, please enlighten me. I like to know when people are given a title what credentials they have to back it up.
Thank you..Sincerely: SS
Prior to the final day, Shane had played only one singles match.
For the first match on the final day, Mark had no choice but to play Shane, because Shane had not played in matches 12-14 and every player was required to play once in matches 12-15.
For matches 16-20, if it went that far, every player had to play once, so Mark could have scheduled Shane's second match of the final day for any one of those matches (it did not have to be match 16). It's unknowable whether putting someone else in match 16 would have worked out better.
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Well said sir.
His team was in obvious disarray and all I saw was him just sitting there smiling. The players just wanted it to end the last 2 days.
This
Yea this about sums it up for me as well. I saw Shane do more coaching than Mark did..
Yea this about sums it up for me as well. I saw Shane do more coaching than Mark did..
Here is how I see it.
To get straight to the point. WE SEND OUR BEST.
This means setting up some sort of system for letting the young guns prove they are better than what are recognized as the best. If they can't beat the veterans yet then they don't earn the spot on the team. If the veterans can no longer beat the up and comers then they no longer make it on the team. There should be some kind of merit based system in place though imo to see the best results as a coach. This could be as simple as organizing a qualifying weekend where all of the best players come to compete in a fair tryout competition. The players travel for tournaments all the time with much less prize money than making the cup team would net.
Once you have your team then Marks "leaddrship" could play a roll in making them gel as a team or preparing them to go out there and represent the US properly... make us proud. I would say that Mark has a better chance of teaching Rodney not to cuss on TV than he does teaching a second their professional how to beat Daz, Niels, Mike etc. Even Earl can be managed with proper leadership. If Mark can't teach guys this simple task and bring together a team then maybe hes not so great afterall. But I'm going to bet that he can. In fact Johnny, Rodney, Hatch, Dechaine are all good guys anyway and forming a team that acts respectable would not be tough if you make it clear what you want as the leader, as their coach.
To get straight to the point. WE SEND OUR BEST.
This means setting up some sort of system for letting the young guns prove they are better than what are recognized as the best. If they can't beat the veterans yet then they don't earn the spot on the team. If the veterans can no longer beat the up and comers then they no longer make it on the team. There should be some kind of merit based system in place though imo to see the best results as a coach. This could be as simple as organizing a qualifying weekend where all of the best players come to compete in a fair tryout competition. The players travel for tournaments all the time with much less prize money than making the cup team would net.
Once you have your team then Marks "leaddrship" could play a roll in making them gel as a team or preparing them to go out there and represent the US properly... make us proud. I would say that Mark has a better chance of teaching Rodney not to cuss on TV than he does teaching a second their professional how to beat Daz, Niels, Mike etc. Even Earl can be managed with proper leadership. If Mark can't teach guys this simple task and bring together a team then maybe hes not so great afterall. But I'm going to bet that he can. In fact Johnny, Rodney, Hatch, Dechaine are all good guys anyway and forming a team that acts respectable would not be tough if you make it clear what you want as the leader, as their coach.