Two questions.
Masters, how long did it take you to master inside english?
Students, how much time do you spend practicing inside english?
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Master? Never. How long does it take to figure out how to use it and still make the shot at hand? About 37 seconds.Two questions.
Masters, how long did it take you to master inside english?
Students, how much time do you spend practicing inside english?
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What he said... If people had it mastered than no one would miss shots... At least not the prosI'm not a master but here is an idea on how long:
A hundred hours to get started mastering inside english. A thousand to have decent mastery. A lifetime isn't long enough to totally master it.
Hu
Master? Never.
Master? Never. How long does it take to figure out how to use it and still make the shot at hand? About 37 seconds.
Fred <~~~ once I stopped thinking so backwards
are you serious about 37 seconds?![]()
Shot clock anyone? :grin-square:
are you serious about 37 seconds?![]()
Shot clock anyone? :grin-square:
Extremely serious. I was one of those fools like so many fools making inside english more difficult than it really was because I was seduced and disillusioned by the stupidity of the term "throw." Then I realized in about 37 seconds from a discussion with Grady that with frim english, I really need to look at "cue ball deflection." Today, we call it squirt. In that one moment in 1992 or so, I had the "how could I be so stupid" moment, and have never looked back.
Fred <~~~ thinks the word "throw" should be thrown out of the f*cking books
The problem is that there are two (or three) categories of throw: spin throw and cut throw (and frozen throw). They're all the same phenomenon (sliding surface friction), but are two different actions. In fact, I think frozen throw has a static friction component while the other two are all kinetic. And spin throw I believe can be higher relative velocity which puts its friction coefficient at another range (lower). So, the three, imo, are really three different things.I know I'm the most stupidest guy here; but what's the issue with "throw?"
You mean...with spin? I know if two frozen balls are pointed nowhere near the pocket I can wack the first one and force the second one into the pocket. What would that be called if throw is a bad term? I'm just curious.
Thx,
Dave
Inside spin pre-LD shaft....friggin voodoo on a good day!
Inside spin post-LD shaft.....simplicity!
for real, my Predator shaft has made spinning the ball with inside a joke.
G.
True, but you can say the same thing about "friction". I still don't see a reason to throw throw out the window, unless you can think up of adequate and convenient terms describing the three types of throw you just listed.The problem is that there are two (or three) categories of throw: spin throw and cut throw (and frozen throw). They're all the same phenomenon (sliding surface friction), but are two different actions. In fact, I think frozen throw has a static friction component while the other two are all kinetic. And spin throw I believe can be higher relative velocity which puts its friction coefficient at another range (lower). So, the three, imo, are really three different things.
I think this is simply false. The reason...throw (or friction, if you don't like the prior term)! Unless you're playing with ideal balls with an absolute zero coefficient of friction between the ball surfaces, pocketing a ball with inside english should be fundamentally tougher (edit: in general).If we all learned about cue ball squirt/deflection first, I think the majority of people would view inside and outside english as I do: about equal toughness/easiness.
The problem is that there are two (or three) categories of throw: spin throw and cut throw (and frozen throw). They're all the same phenomenon (sliding surface friction), but are two different actions. In fact, I think frozen throw has a static friction component while the other two are all kinetic. And spin throw I believe can be higher relative velocity which puts its friction coefficient at another range (lower). So, the three, imo, are really three different things.
... we completely misunderstood it (but still made outside english shots), then naturally made inside english tougher. If we all learned about cue ball squirt/deflection first, I think the majority of people would view inside and outside english as I do: about equal toughness/easiness.