Matlock is tired of all of the lies..

clint3612 said:
I'm not sure what mis-truths you are talking about?? I really don't know. Keith didnt' play david in OKC. YOU keep saying this. It's not true. At least thats what David says. Larry Hubbart didnt' beat david in OKC. You keep saying he did, David says thats not true. Where are you getting this? Larry played Matlock in Las Vegas. This comes from the horses mouth. I have reviewed mine and roostermans comments and I don't think were outta line. We are challenging yours and Keith's accounts. As you are challenging ours. You are speaking for Keith, and roosterman is speaking for David. Case closed. If David actually gets online and backs up what roosterman says, would all this stop? Or are you gonna carry on? Like rooster said, since your such good friends with Dave, why don't you simply call him up. You act like your so fond of him, this and that; wishing he and his wife the best and so on. Obviously, ya'll have a great repore and you shouldn't have any problem hashing out details with David. The number has been posted. I suggest you call it.


Note: No denyal of the facts. Just the geography.
 
watchez said:
Clint - how old are you? Also, not being rude but I tend to think that you did not watch Erman play in the 1970s. If you read Hemicudas post, you will realize that when people speak of Erman they are talking about the 1970s, early 80s. Did you see him play back then?

Yes David had open invitations to play $10,000 sets on the bar table. Buddy had open invitations in Louisiana to play $10,000 sets on the big table. Reed had open invitations to play in his home town for $10,000 as well.

Hemi - how old is Erman now? Just curious.

Erman, is 60 and recovering from by-pass surgery now, Watches. Erman is better days.
 

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hemicudas said:
Note: No denyal of the facts. Just the geography.
There is a slight denial of facts. Larry did beat David. This true. However, David said Keith never beat him for big money. When we are talking about big money, we are talking not about tournaments or half way sessions, were talking about big 8 or 10 ahead sessions. Thats what we have been saying all along. Yes, Bill, I assure you that roosterman got this info. from David. Everyone is knocking us down about this, but these challenges to these stories are from David himself. As you might have seen, the number to David is posted, hopefully, nobody will abuse this line of communication and get this from the horses mouth.
 
clint3612 said:
I'm not sure what mis-truths you are talking about?? I really don't know. Keith didnt' play david in OKC. YOU keep saying this. It's not true. At least thats what David says. Larry Hubbart didnt' beat david in OKC. You keep saying he did, David says thats not true. Where are you getting this? Larry played Matlock in Las Vegas. This comes from the horses mouth. I have reviewed mine and roostermans comments and I don't think were outta line. We are challenging yours and Keith's accounts. As you are challenging ours. You are speaking for Keith, and roosterman is speaking for David. Case closed. If David actually gets online and backs up what roosterman says, would all this stop? Or are you gonna carry on? Like rooster said, since your such good friends with Dave, why don't you simply call him up. You act like your so fond of him, this and that; wishing he and his wife the best and so on. Obviously, ya'll have a great repore and you shouldn't have any problem hashing out details with David. The number has been posted. I suggest you call it.

Keith McCready replied to this thread directly several times.

Do you actually believe that you speak for David Matlock?

Here is a recent PM I received, and the identity of the sender is being withheld. I can tell you that David plays out of shooters in olteha ks.

I can also tell you that all david wanted said was him and sigel never played, and
wants nothing to do with this thread.

You can reach him at shooters 4 days a week he give leasons out of there. Sorry I dont have that number right now but its on there web site.

David wanted [name withheld] to post a reply (then [name withheld] computer died) saying that he wanted nothing to do with this stuff but then said if left alone it will go away.

'Nuff said! :smile:

JAM
 
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clint3612 said:
There is a slight denial of facts. Larry did beat David. This true. However, David said Keith never beat him for big money. When we are talking about big money, we are talking not about tournaments or half way sessions, were talking about big 8 or 10 ahead sessions. Thats what we have been saying all along. Yes, Bill, I assure you that roosterman got this info. from David. Everyone is knocking us down about this, but these challenges to these stories are from David himself. As you might have seen, the number to David is posted, hopefully, nobody will abuse this line of communication and get this from the horses mouth.


Keith McCready said:
...I don't want to cause any friction or anything, but the facts are the facts. David beat me down there in Dallas at Sonny Springer's home. Will Willingham and Weldon Rogers was with me. We blowed about 20-some thousand. We came back to Oklahoma City and played again, a rematch, and I got some of the money back. I believe it as 15 or 16,000.

Then we were over there in Richmond, Kentucky, at the Clyde Childress tournament. We did play one little 5-ahead set. LATER, the next night, Dave and I played a 10-ahead set for $5,000. Big Dean from Atlanta was staking me in this one. That session lasted about an hour, me winning the money.

I have all the respect in the world for his game, and I can actually say that I would call David Matlock my friend. David in my opinion, when he gets rolling, is probably the best bar table player that I've seen when it comes to gears. He had those gears. That's what separates a good player and a player extraordinaire.

Keith's words, not mine.

JAM
 
This thread is like the energizer bunny, it just keeps going and going. It should have died days ago. Everything on here now is just a rehashing of previous posts.

I say, call it a draw. No, not Keith and David. Jam and clint :grin:
 
JAM said:
Keith McCready replied to this thread directly several times.

Do you actually believe that you speak for David Matlock?

Here is a recent PM I received, and the identity of the sender is being withheld. I can tell you that David plays out of shooters in olteha ks.

I can also tell you that all david wanted said was him and sigel never played, and
wants nothing to do with this thread.

You can reach him at shooters 4 days a week he give leasons out of there. Sorry I dont have that number right now but its on there web site.

David wanted [name withheld] to post a reply (then [name withheld] computer died) saying that he wanted nothing to do with this stuff but then said if left alone it will go away.

'Nuff said! :smile:

JAM
No, I do not speak for David. I never said directly that I quote - unquote represent David. However, I do know David. However, roosterman speaks to David frequently. Roosterman was here to clear some air. It does not suprise me that David wants things to cool down. He doesn't like a whole bunch of attention, he even told roosterman this in a conversation. Last year David hated the whole idea of matching him up with Corey Deuel getting the 8 and all that jazz. It is clear and apparent with David from my conversations that he hates internet woofing and slamming. Honestly, I don't quite care for it either. However, when I'm being slammed for everything I say, I usually strike back. Jam you and I got the most personal here. It didnt' have to be that way and sure doesn't have to continue. If you really read my former posts. I make clear that; I like Keith, that I knew Keith, and even apologized if happend to insult him. Yes, Keith responded here in person, to some people that should be enough, however, that doesn't mean I have to agree with what he is saying. Is he one of the best players in history? Yes. Am I only 33 and I never saw in his prime? Yes. Do I think he is a better player than Matlock? NO. My opinion is small and insignificant in broad sense of things. It really doesn't matter what I believe or think. But I should be able to think it, believe it, and surely say it! Hopefully, this is all starting to clear out. I assure you of one thing, rooster and I didn't make this stuff up or make it up while we went along. Furthermore, we didn't and don't have bad intentions on this thread!
 
Wow

Clint3612, my dad is tougher than your dad:wink: Who cares, they are both legends. Memories fade. I'm sure the next time they run into each other they will talk and the memories will come back. They will probably have a laugh about how stupid this is.
 
THENEXTKIDD said:
didnt kidd delicous beat matlock up in poplar bluff out of a bunch$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

I beat Nick Varner in 1982, when Nick Varner was in his prime!

And I even got a T-shirt to prove it! :groucho:

JAM
 
Wowwww!!!!!!!

JAM said:
I beat Nick Varner in 1982, when Nick Varner was in his prime!

And I even got a T-shirt to prove it! :groucho:

JAM

Now I'm impressed. That is better than beating Keith and Matlock in the same day.
Just kidding. That is a good win, even if it's 1 game when Nick was in his prime.
 
clint3612 said:
I'm 33. I know what your getting at. I'm not running Ermand down but just his style and what i've seen, I like David's end, day in and day out! I don't think I was being derogatory at all. Just an opinion of mine.

I like David's end too. I have posted many times that David is the greatest bar box player that I have seen & don't think that a 70s Ermand Bullard (sp?) would beat David in his prime (or even now if David set his mind to it). However, just wanted to clarify that as I wouldn't bet my life on it because I am 40 myself and have only been around pool since about 1988.

Too bad I haven't seen Bobby Baldwin (David's ex father in law) around in quite some time. He always had great 'David stories'. He did tell me once in the early 1990's, he was with David on the road for a month & literally David did not miss a ball - either gambling or practicing. He swore to that.

Are you the Clint that a few years back played at The Break in Cahokia IL with Terry H. giving you the 8 ball? If so, I bet you still are sick about that and don't bring it up to offend you. But it was one of the best matches I have ever seen as a show of heart - by Terry. He needed the 8 and out ran the nuts.
 
THENEXTKIDD said:
didnt kidd delicous beat matlock up in poplar bluff out of a bunch$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Yes, Danny beat David on the big table. He sure did. They played on a rather loose 9 footer. David tried to get to another table ( a tougher one) and Danny and his backers didn't want to play another set. I was told by Brian Jones that Danny pretty much run out the set. David didn't get hardly a chance at the table. Danny also booked a heads up winner against Gabe Owen close to the same time. He was playing agonizing well at that time. Nobody likes to play that guy. However, I would like to seem them play everyday and see who goes bust. BTW, that was on a 9 footer not the box!
 
watchez said:
I like David's end too. I have posted many times that David is the greatest bar box player that I have seen & don't think that a 70s Ermand Bullard (sp?) would beat David in his prime (or even now if David set his mind to it). However, just wanted to clarify that as I wouldn't bet my life on it because I am 40 myself and have only been around pool since about 1988.

Too bad I haven't seen Bobby Baldwin (David's ex father in law) around in quite some time. He always had great 'David stories'. He did tell me once in the early 1990's, he was with David on the road for a month & literally David did not miss a ball - either gambling or practicing. He swore to that.

Are you the Clint that a few years back played at The Break in Cahokia IL with Terry H. giving you the 8 ball? If so, I bet you still are sick about that and don't bring it up to offend you. But it was one of the best matches I have ever seen as a show of heart - by Terry. He needed the 8 and out ran the nuts.
No, I'm not that Clint. Like I said earlier, after David busted Andy, mr. Olguin stuck around Ponca City for several days and watched David practice, practice, and practice more. He would rack the balls hard for himself everytime. Play run out pool. Cuss himself when he got outta line or made a mistake. Andy said it was possible to go back to the room and get some sleep and come back up to the place and David would be still hitting balls. Total perfectionist.
 
David also lost on a 9 footer to Reed Pierce in St Louis. It was agonizing to watch. He just got a new cue at the time - and then kept switching cues and miscuing A LOT. Plus, Reed outplayed him. Maybe David doesn't play well against slower players.
 
watchez said:
David also lost on a 9 footer to Reed Pierce in St Louis. It was agonizing to watch. He just got a new cue at the time - and then kept switching cues and miscuing A LOT. Plus, Reed outplayed him. Maybe David doesn't play well against slower players.
Really, what were they playing for? Reed is one hell of a player, didn't he once win the Open? I was in Mobile,AL a month ago and i thought about going to his place. His place is in Mobile, right? He's not from Missisippi is he? Several years ago after he won the U.S. Open the billiard magazines put up some articles saying he was a bar box champion. I was hoping he and David would play a big match on the bar table for some cash. I'm assuming that Reed didn't want to play David on the bartable and played him on the 9 footer. Or whats the story on the matchup?
 
clint3612 said:
Really, what were they playing for? Reed is one hell of a player, didn't he once win the Open? I was in Mobile,AL a month ago and i thought about going to his place. His place is in Mobile, right? He's not from Missisippi is he? Several years ago after he won the U.S. Open the billiard magazines put up some articles saying he was a bar box champion. I was hoping he and David would play a big match on the bar table for some cash. I'm assuming that Reed didn't want to play David on the bartable and played him on the 9 footer. Or whats the story on the matchup?
It was so long ago (I would say 10-12 yrs?) that I don't recall the story on the matchup. Pretty sure that it was for 10 large. They wanted a neutral site and St Louis had a nice, tight gold crown and the owner of the room agreed to close off all tables around this table to have the match. Reed had been to St Louis before gambling and knew the room. I believe this would have been before Reed won the US Open. I wasn't privy to matchup details but I am sure that David would of course remember this match. I remember David using like 3 or 4 cues during the match and couldn't find one that he was comfortable with.
 
watchez said:
It was so long ago (I would say 10-12 yrs?) that I don't recall the story on the matchup. Pretty sure that it was for 10 large. They wanted a neutral site and St Louis had a nice, tight gold crown and the owner of the room agreed to close off all tables around this table to have the match. Reed had been to St Louis before gambling and knew the room. I believe this would have been before Reed won the US Open. I wasn't privy to matchup details but I am sure that David would of course remember this match. I remember David using like 3 or 4 cues during the match and couldn't find one that he was comfortable with.
Yeah, that sucks. Well, Reed is a great player. I wonder why they didn't do anything on the bar table? I guess it doesn't matter anyway.
 
This started as a post that David only ever lost 1 match ever on the barbox. It seems hes been beaten half a dozen times that people recall. I think David plays great but for someone to say they gambled for 30 years and only ever lost 1 match is insane. I agree this post should just be put away.
 
clint3612 said:
Really, what were they playing for? Reed is one hell of a player, didn't he once win the Open? I was in Mobile,AL a month ago and i thought about going to his place. His place is in Mobile, right? He's not from Missisippi is he? Several years ago after he won the U.S. Open the billiard magazines put up some articles saying he was a bar box champion. I was hoping he and David would play a big match on the bar table for some cash. I'm assuming that Reed didn't want to play David on the bartable and played him on the 9 footer. Or whats the story on the matchup?

Reed and his brother, Ronnie, have lived in Brandon, MS, a Jackson Suburb, all their lives. His sports bar, which serves the best steaks in the state, is 1/2 mile from my house in Byram, MS. Reed won the US Open in 1995. In the late 80s & early 90s, Reed, was capable of beating anyone on the bar table. He has always had the greatest respect for David's bar table game and if he matched up with him I'm sure he would want to play him on the big table rather than the bar box. Not to say Reed didn't have a chance to beat David on the bar box just that he and Ronnie assumed their chances were better on the big table. Reed and David are good friends to this day. This photo was taken at one of the Miss. state bar table opens. David won this particular tournament..
 

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