Matlock is tired of all of the lies..
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clint3612 said:
ASININE is a pretty good description for your entire post.
Sweetie? Now you want to put a gun to my head so I'll take Keith? You're playing pretty fast and loose with your words. One more jack-off who talks big online. Oh, I'm not talking about you. It's just an example!
There was never any game made with Jeanette. It never even got to the point where I would discuss it with her. Just another jack-off spouting off about who HE liked! Not you of course! I never got ANY PM's about such a match either.
If you had any credibility before, you lost it all now. So you can go back to that other world where people are still swallowing your BS.
You and roosterman make a good team. I think they made a movie about you two. "Dumb and Dumber"!
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My goodness Jay, using a figure of speech totally throws you for a loop. Yes, there were discussions in regards to Jeanette and Tony. You liked Jeanette and I liked Tony. I sent you a PM over a year ago, and you said something like maybe we can do something. I'm sure you have emptied your PM box by now and so have I. There is no way to prove it but you and I had a discussion about it. I'm not talking big and I'm not really calling names, it is what it is. Again, like I said in the earlier post I still like the matchup. Lets establish some credibility, shall we???jay helfert said:
clint3612 said:
I am sure Keith would love to play David Matlock. He enjoys David Matlock's company a great deal, and I think it would be a fun match for the players and the spectators.
That said, I personally am going to advise Keith to not accept your proposition.
I do not want Keith to engage in a transaction with you or Roosterman.
When it comes to gambling, I learned a long time ago that it is not worth it to get involved in action with some folks.
Keith doesn't have anything to prove to you, Roosterman, or anybody.
There is plenty of good action out there, but in my personal opinion, I don't think it would be a good idea to gamble with you or Roosterman.
Just for the record, Clint, neither Keith or myself called you and/or Roosterman any name. Rather, it was Roosterman that called Keith a "liar." :frown:
Please have David Matlock call Keith when you get a chance, and do send him my congratulations on his recent marriage. I wish him nothing but happiness! :smile:
JAM
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Lies
Okay, I hate to reopen this mess,but I will.I have been talking to people I know and the claim of never losing seems to fit in with the books that have been published.I have been asked to post and ask about the match that david played against wade crane in Oklahoma or erman bullard in Dallas.To come on this site and claim no one has ever beaten someone is bullshit.If you have played enough people or matches you have lost.I think that david,buddy,keith, erman, joe salazar{tracey joe in buddy's book} are the class of the field on bar boxes with the heavy cue ball,but to think they never met their match is not rational.I want to thank Keith for giving Erman some respect and I will tell you that the respect is not a one way street.In closing,I will tell you people that Buddy ducked Erman on several occasions.Dollar Bill I hope you will chime in on this subject,because I may be out of control and I know you know Erman.In closing,I know this is subjective but I dont think anyone had to beat Erman on a bar box with the big rock.Let the bullshit start!!!!
Okay, I hate to reopen this mess,but I will.I have been talking to people I know and the claim of never losing seems to fit in with the books that have been published.I have been asked to post and ask about the match that david played against wade crane in Oklahoma or erman bullard in Dallas.To come on this site and claim no one has ever beaten someone is bullshit.If you have played enough people or matches you have lost.I think that david,buddy,keith, erman, joe salazar{tracey joe in buddy's book} are the class of the field on bar boxes with the heavy cue ball,but to think they never met their match is not rational.I want to thank Keith for giving Erman some respect and I will tell you that the respect is not a one way street.In closing,I will tell you people that Buddy ducked Erman on several occasions.Dollar Bill I hope you will chime in on this subject,because I may be out of control and I know you know Erman.In closing,I know this is subjective but I dont think anyone had to beat Erman on a bar box with the big rock.Let the bullshit start!!!!
buildertex1 said:
It is great to see another knowledgeable poster here on AZ, Buildertex. Missed seeing you over at Southern Billiards for some time.
You couldn't be more correct, sir. None of um went undefeated. One of the closest I know of is Erman Bullard. In the mid 70s he and Memphis' own, Big Bird, went on the road, admittedly staying east of the Miss. river. For one full year Erman played any and all comers, beating all with the exception of Allen Hopkins in NJ. They had an apt. set up to play the Miz on the bar table. When they show up,,,,,,,,,,,no Miz, in sight. In his place he sent Allen Hopkins, who played the bar table and the big cue ball at that time above Steve's speed. It took Allen a couple of days to get the cash but get it he did. That was the only loser Erman and Big Bird booked that entire year on the road together. Yessssser, Erman Bullard, was a bar table champion back then. Another name I would put with the ones you named would be Denny Searcy. No one had to beat Denny on any table but with the big rock he was awesome.
I'm not trying to be rude but I'm not sure of your objective? Are you saying Wade beat David or Erman beat David? Or are you saying David didn't have to beat them? I can't say anything about Billy Johnson but I've seen Ermand and I don't think he is the top echelon of bar table play. I mean he possibly beat some top guys but day in and day out I don't think he ranks up there with David, Buddy and others. He played and still plays great but i've seen him before, but I would empty my life savings if we ever put them in a room for 3 days. David would simply wear him out. Breaks to good, great concentration, way too much intimate knowledge that only few players have. You have to remember David in Ponca City had open invitations for $10,000 sets all of the time. Not many people always had an open window for those type of stakes in that time period. Buddy and others tried and failed to snap him off.buildertex1 said:
Everybody gets beat!
The idea that pool players go thru their career undefeated is ridiculous. Everybody has good and bad days. My bad days were probably worse than anybody elses. I have broke Grady Mathews playing dead even onepocket when he was Grady Mathews. I have also won getting 9 to 8 on his break. I have won and lost with him getting 9 to 7. He has beaten me badly playing me 10 to 7! He even beat me once 11 to 7! The time I won with 9 to 8 on his break came a few months after he had beaten me in Milwaukee with 11 to 7! When Tracy Joe Salazar was maybe the best in the world on a bar table he gave me the seven ball and robbed me. I played so badly in the session that my nose flew open and I took steam, and dropped the seven ball and played him even! I won all my money back and quit. Doubters of this outlandish story can PM me for Salazar's phone # to verify the story and maybe buy a stick from Joe in the process. I have also discarded the spot and won with Bugs, Cardone, Cecil Tugwell, and Donny Anderson. Now if you ask me who would I bet on between Keith and David, the answer is, I wouldnt have a clue, although I would probably bet on either of them against anybody else, except Efren. The guy with the greatest batting average playing top players and tough action was Artie Bodendorfer, and the pressure on him was so great that he quit pool at age 40 and had to seek psychiatric help.
the Beard
I have acquired a good copy of the interview Harry Reasoner had with the great Texas hustler, U J Puckett from Ed Tarbutton of Dallas. It's on one of my blogs. It contains probably the only images of Mexican Johnny and Bananas Rodriguez on film.
http://secretsofahardcorepoolhustler.blogspot.com/
Take a look and fu@##!! buy sumptin, for crisakes.
The idea that pool players go thru their career undefeated is ridiculous. Everybody has good and bad days. My bad days were probably worse than anybody elses. I have broke Grady Mathews playing dead even onepocket when he was Grady Mathews. I have also won getting 9 to 8 on his break. I have won and lost with him getting 9 to 7. He has beaten me badly playing me 10 to 7! He even beat me once 11 to 7! The time I won with 9 to 8 on his break came a few months after he had beaten me in Milwaukee with 11 to 7! When Tracy Joe Salazar was maybe the best in the world on a bar table he gave me the seven ball and robbed me. I played so badly in the session that my nose flew open and I took steam, and dropped the seven ball and played him even! I won all my money back and quit. Doubters of this outlandish story can PM me for Salazar's phone # to verify the story and maybe buy a stick from Joe in the process. I have also discarded the spot and won with Bugs, Cardone, Cecil Tugwell, and Donny Anderson. Now if you ask me who would I bet on between Keith and David, the answer is, I wouldnt have a clue, although I would probably bet on either of them against anybody else, except Efren. The guy with the greatest batting average playing top players and tough action was Artie Bodendorfer, and the pressure on him was so great that he quit pool at age 40 and had to seek psychiatric help.
the Beard
I have acquired a good copy of the interview Harry Reasoner had with the great Texas hustler, U J Puckett from Ed Tarbutton of Dallas. It's on one of my blogs. It contains probably the only images of Mexican Johnny and Bananas Rodriguez on film.
http://secretsofahardcorepoolhustler.blogspot.com/
Take a look and fu@##!! buy sumptin, for crisakes.
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As you and I have discussed before, I know Andy Olguin very well, and roosterman and I still talk to him. He has played them all. He has many stories about Searcy. He brings him alot for some reason. Of course he has tons about Buddy and Boston Shorty, Weldon Rogers and so on. However, if you get him talking about David Matlock he'll tell you that David is the best he ever played and ever seen. He actually states that David is the only player that ever entered his dreams. He simply had nightmares about the session. Andy was getting pretty big weight. They were trying to trap David because he didn't know Andy. Andy said david put so many many 2's and 3's on him, then he would hook him, get the next shot-run out- then get the break and put more racks on him. he was in total awe of David. Another thing and advantage David had over most players of that era, when they would play 2 foul, David would roll out to a point where they couldn't see the ball and they would give the shot back to David- he could jump and draw the BIG cueball with dangerous accuaracy. The ball was never really safe from David. Thats was a huge advantage in that style of nineball. Andy really likes Buddy, he actually beat him before but he thought David was the best he ever seen. Hell they even tried to sneak Tony Fargo on David getting the 7 while David been drinking and David busted him. I"m telling you David played on another level for a long long time.hemicudas said:
clint3612 said:
And that was then, and this is now.
Keith McCready offered the world the 8 for any amount of money, anytime, anyplace, any player. Just step right on up. After he beat Larry Hubbart, spotting Larry two balls, Larry proceeded to go to Oklahoma City and beat David Matlock EVEN STEVEN. So what does this prove, Larry Hubbart beating David Matlock even steven, after Keith beat Larry Hubbart spotting him two balls? Not a damn thing.
Again, that was then, and this is now.
This colloquy promoting David Matlock reminds me of a lobbyist group. What are you lobbying for? What's the payout to keep insisting that David Matlock has never been beaten and is the best bar box player in the world? I just don't get it.
After being told NUMEROUS times that your renditions of events were not accurate, you continue with the same-old, same-old. Give it up.
David Matlock is an American thoroughbred champion on the bar box table. Was he the best? It depends on who you ask. End of story.
JAM
yeah, but in classic pool hustler style . . . .
Keith was paid well for losing!
Hu
Keith was paid well for losing!
Hu
Snookerd said:I don't know why everyone says Keith is that good... I saw Tom Cruise beat him once... " It was like a nightmare"I would have to quit if tom beat me....
TOM U GOT THE 6!!
clint3612 said:
Clint - how old are you? Also, not being rude but I tend to think that you did not watch Erman play in the 1970s. If you read Hemicudas post, you will realize that when people speak of Erman they are talking about the 1970s, early 80s. Did you see him play back then?
Yes David had open invitations to play $10,000 sets on the bar table. Buddy had open invitations in Louisiana to play $10,000 sets on the big table. Reed had open invitations to play in his home town for $10,000 as well.
Hemi - how old is Erman now? Just curious.
Matlock question
I have heard tons of different stories about Matlock playing against everybody and anybody. I know he was and I beleive still is a great bar box player. So my question: What was the famous game that he challenged anybody at? Were there any specific rules? Where was this located? Thanks in advance for any information.roosterman said:
JAM said:
No it's not the end of story,this hole thread was about Matlock wanting to get a few stories about him correct.Here's another one you got screwed up,Hubbart beat David in Las Vegas not Oklahoma City,and another thing Kieth never beat David in Oklahoma City,they never evened played there.You should do a little more research before you put something in black and white.
You know roosterman I don't know you or David Matlock but IMO you are doing much more harm than good on here trying to get these "stories" cleared up for him. If I were in his position, you would be the last person I would want clearing anything up for me. In fact, I would do it myself because anything less than straight from the "horse" is just not credible anyways.roosterman said:
From what I have heard and read David is an awesome bar-box player and not one person has disputed that. Do yourself and David a favor and let it go.
BVal
BVal said:
Your probably right,just trying to stick up for a friend.David's helped me alot with my game,I've made a few dollars with him in the past,and I'm just trying to clear up a few stories him ,but I'm done with it.