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And pay attention to the match. Sit there and take your medicine or don't sign up to play.
JC
Max Eberle!
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And pay attention to the match. Sit there and take your medicine or don't sign up to play.
JC
I watched quite a bit of the straight pool challenge before I left Thursday. Being away from a room where they play a lot of straight pool, I had forgotten what a beautiful game it is. Championships at one time were determined by this game! The finesse, ability to shoot combinations, spotting dead balls, thinking several shots ahead to key balls and the break ball make it a game to hone your skills. I enjoyed watching Max, Corey and others play. IMHO it was unprofessional of Orcullo to concede at that point. Thanks to those who make the challenge possible.
I was very happy to see Max take home the prize, but I am in agreement with those who found Orcullo conceding the match to be unacceptable. What a horrible way to secure victory after all the hours Max poured into that 10' table. And what about the spectators? I'm sure glad I didn't have to pay for the IP stream, only to see one player just walk away.
I'm watching the Super Bowl right now. SF is down 28-6 and there is a major power outage going on, causing a delay of game. Imagine if they just said f*** it, shrugged their shoulders and walked off to the locker room forfeiting the game?
Folks keep talking about what's wrong with pro pool. I say it's the players that are the biggest part of the problem. Whiners, rack mechanics, sharking, dumping, and now just quitting. They are their own worst enemies.
IIRC Max was down about 40 points when Niels missed at 97 balls. He then fought a very scappy battle to secure the victory. Dennis had the same chance to win as Max had in the earlier match. In pool as it is in baseball, it ain't over 'til it's over.
I'm watching the Super Bowl right now. SF is down 28-6 and there is a major power outage going on, causing a delay of game. Imagine if they just said f*** it, shrugged their shoulders and walked off to the locker room forfeiting the game?
Folks keep talking about what's wrong with pro pool. I say it's the players that are the biggest part of the problem. Whiners, rack mechanics, sharking, dumping, and now just quitting. They are their own worst enemies.
IIRC Max was down about 40 points when Niels missed at 97 balls. He then fought a very scappy battle to secure the victory. Dennis had the same chance to win as Max had in the earlier match. In pool as it is in baseball, it ain't over 'til it's over.
Congrats to max. He deserved it. Dennis doesn't seem geared to this game though he's a beast of a player.
Dennis is a big boy and if he wants to throw away a 10% chance at $1,000 bucks just to sweat his buddy's match, that's his choice not ours.
However he probably should keep in mind that someone may have paid to watch. In that case I think it's decent to give people their money's worth.
Also, 18 balls are in no way "a hanger". Funny things happen, you have 17 possible chances to overrun shape, get jacked over a ball, get too much angle, get too little angle, bump something into a bad spot, stretch across the whole table, skid, and so on.
Then the breakshot itself can often be a crapshoot. You get a little too straight, go into the rack and then just stick to it. You get a little too thin and rattle the break ball. Or a single ball rolls up on whitey and blocks you from 90% of the table, or a ball rolls between you and the only easy shot. Conceding 18 balls is like conceding an entire rack of 9 ball in a race to 5, just because they made something on the break and have a look at the one.
Dennis is a big boy and if he wants to throw away a 10% chance at $1,000 bucks just to sweat his buddy's match, that's his choice not ours.
However he probably should keep in mind that someone may have paid to watch. In that case I think it's decent to give people their money's worth.
Also, 18 balls are in no way "a hanger". Funny things happen, you have 17 possible chances to overrun shape, get jacked over a ball, get too much angle, get too little angle, bump something into a bad spot, stretch across the whole table, skid, and so on.
Then the breakshot itself can often be a crapshoot. You get a little too straight, go into the rack and then just stick to it. You get a little too thin and rattle the break ball. Or a single ball rolls up on whitey and blocks you from 90% of the table, or a ball rolls between you and the only easy shot. Conceding 18 balls is like conceding an entire rack of 9 ball in a race to 5, just because they made something on the break and have a look at the one.
El-ahrairah
Banned
Congratulations, Max!
In case anyone wants to see the odd finish:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTb1nqIU67w#t=2h16m
Forgive me that I couldn't tell ball colors as usual.
Freddie <~~~ and a bit to casual
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTb1nqIU67w#t=2h16m
Forgive me that I couldn't tell ball colors as usual.
Freddie <~~~ and a bit to casual
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In re-watching the ending, I see that Max made one ball after Orcollo's final shot and before DO conceded, so the score was actually 83-54 at the time of the concession. And the layout was by no means a "gimme" for Max.
Thank You!
Thanks to everyone here for the congratulations on my biggest 14.1 win to date! The Derby City 14.1 Challenge is something I've always wanted to win.
There were a lot of top players and World Champions who did not make the cut into the final 8 which shows the toughness of just even running 70 which was about the mark to get in on the last day. Several champions paid $100 to get 12 tries, 2, 3, and 4 times and still no luck.
I got in on the last day with a 71 and a super difficult last rack to get my spot. That run actually came after watching Niels run a beautiful 90 which ended on a fluky bad roll, kind of like the one he had at 97 in our match that gave me the opportunity to win.
The win means a lot to me and all the outpouring of support real feels great.
I did play a little slow but according to Jay Helfert I was fast compared to the old timers on the 10-foot tables which even had bigger pockets than this Diamond Bigfoot.
I think the main time eater was my shot lineup process after my decision on what to shoot was made. I took my time and looked at contact points, found my stroking line, and really made sure to feel confident in my lineup.
And if you watch Alex and Dennis, you see they rushed some shots and missed, giving me opportunities and an edge towards victory. Niels was a machine and fell victim to a bad roll and my knowledge of Straight Pool comeback history, and that it is indeed never over until the last ball drops. You sure as heck did not see him concede my last four easy balls. As well he should not have, as anything really can happen.
Actually when I was practicing, my play was so much faster and smoother... and I aspire to get closer to that in my real matches in the future. I guess I was just not willing to run around like a clown and miss because of it, and eventually be forgotten as another close one.
Those who think it is easy to play fast on these tables under the pressure of 14.1 match play against world class players are welcome to come and try it out next year. My point is that it is soooo easy for something to go wrong, and in a race to 100 that can be costly in a new york minute. Even Pettman who ran 100 and 117 missed some relatively easy shots in the pressure of match play.
That being said, I know I can play faster and thanks again for all the congratulations, it does warm my heart to hear that from each of you!
Thanks again,
Max Eberle
PS: Apparently Tiger Woods slow plays like crazy but they don't show that part so it's ok... And Johnny Archer wins events sometimes playing so slow that it makes me look like a sprinter. He can play fast too though of course.
If there was $50,000 on the line, there would be zero complaints about my pace of play I'm sure. And to me, this title was priceless, and I addressed it as such.
Ultimately there probably should be a 45 sec or 1 min shot clock with one or two extensions per rack or more on the safeties. But only if the clock is implemented from the start of a match.
Also thanks to Bill Maropolis and Dennis Walsh for all their work and JR Calvert and Alvin Nelson for producing a great stream. Thanks to Fred Agnir, Danny Harriman, and Matt for great commentary. Also thanks to Greg Sullivan and Diamond for making the 10-Footer, Simonis, Kamui, OB Shafts, Inside Pool, and Stu Mattana for sponsoring the event.
Thanks to my cue sponsor Pechauer Custom Cues, and shaft provider Tiger Products for my Tiger X Pro Shaft. And thanks to Ermanno at Best Billiards LV for the practice time on the Hermelin 10-footer.
If I left out any sponsors forgive me and please announce yourself!
Thanks to everyone here for the congratulations on my biggest 14.1 win to date! The Derby City 14.1 Challenge is something I've always wanted to win.
There were a lot of top players and World Champions who did not make the cut into the final 8 which shows the toughness of just even running 70 which was about the mark to get in on the last day. Several champions paid $100 to get 12 tries, 2, 3, and 4 times and still no luck.
I got in on the last day with a 71 and a super difficult last rack to get my spot. That run actually came after watching Niels run a beautiful 90 which ended on a fluky bad roll, kind of like the one he had at 97 in our match that gave me the opportunity to win.
The win means a lot to me and all the outpouring of support real feels great.
I did play a little slow but according to Jay Helfert I was fast compared to the old timers on the 10-foot tables which even had bigger pockets than this Diamond Bigfoot.
I think the main time eater was my shot lineup process after my decision on what to shoot was made. I took my time and looked at contact points, found my stroking line, and really made sure to feel confident in my lineup.
And if you watch Alex and Dennis, you see they rushed some shots and missed, giving me opportunities and an edge towards victory. Niels was a machine and fell victim to a bad roll and my knowledge of Straight Pool comeback history, and that it is indeed never over until the last ball drops. You sure as heck did not see him concede my last four easy balls. As well he should not have, as anything really can happen.
Actually when I was practicing, my play was so much faster and smoother... and I aspire to get closer to that in my real matches in the future. I guess I was just not willing to run around like a clown and miss because of it, and eventually be forgotten as another close one.
Those who think it is easy to play fast on these tables under the pressure of 14.1 match play against world class players are welcome to come and try it out next year. My point is that it is soooo easy for something to go wrong, and in a race to 100 that can be costly in a new york minute. Even Pettman who ran 100 and 117 missed some relatively easy shots in the pressure of match play.
That being said, I know I can play faster and thanks again for all the congratulations, it does warm my heart to hear that from each of you!
Thanks again,
Max Eberle
PS: Apparently Tiger Woods slow plays like crazy but they don't show that part so it's ok... And Johnny Archer wins events sometimes playing so slow that it makes me look like a sprinter. He can play fast too though of course.
If there was $50,000 on the line, there would be zero complaints about my pace of play I'm sure. And to me, this title was priceless, and I addressed it as such.
Ultimately there probably should be a 45 sec or 1 min shot clock with one or two extensions per rack or more on the safeties. But only if the clock is implemented from the start of a match.
Also thanks to Bill Maropolis and Dennis Walsh for all their work and JR Calvert and Alvin Nelson for producing a great stream. Thanks to Fred Agnir, Danny Harriman, and Matt for great commentary. Also thanks to Greg Sullivan and Diamond for making the 10-Footer, Simonis, Kamui, OB Shafts, Inside Pool, and Stu Mattana for sponsoring the event.
Thanks to my cue sponsor Pechauer Custom Cues, and shaft provider Tiger Products for my Tiger X Pro Shaft. And thanks to Ermanno at Best Billiards LV for the practice time on the Hermelin 10-footer.
If I left out any sponsors forgive me and please announce yourself!
Thanks to everyone here for the congratulations on my biggest 14.1 win to date! The Derby City 14.1 Challenge is something I've always wanted to win.
There were a lot of top players and World Champions who did not make the cut into the final 8 which shows the toughness of just even running 70 which was about the mark to get in on the last day. Several champions paid $100 to get 12 tries, 2, 3, and 4 times and still no luck.
I got in on the last day with a 71 and a super difficult last rack to get my spot. That run actually came after watching Niels run a beautiful 90 which ended on a fluky bad roll, kind of like the one he had at 97 in our match that gave me the opportunity to win.
The win means a lot to me and all the outpouring of support real feels great.
I did play a little slow but according to Jay Helfert I was fast compared to the old timers on the 10-foot tables which even had bigger pockets than this Diamond Bigfoot.
I think the main time eater was my shot lineup process after my decision on what to shoot was made. I took my time and looked at contact points, found my stroking line, and really made sure to feel confident in my lineup.
And if you watch Alex and Dennis, you see they rushed some shots and missed, giving me opportunities and an edge towards victory. Niels was a machine and fell victim to a bad roll and my knowledge of Straight Pool comeback history, and that it is indeed never over until the last ball drops. You sure as heck did not see him concede my last four easy balls. As well he should not have, as anything really can happen.
Actually when I was practicing, my play was so much faster and smoother... and I aspire to get closer to that in my real matches in the future. I guess I was just not willing to run around like a clown and miss because of it, and eventually be forgotten as another close one.
Those who think it is easy to play fast on these tables under the pressure of 14.1 match play against world class players are welcome to come and try it out next year. My point is that it is soooo easy for something to go wrong, and in a race to 100 that can be costly in a new york minute. Even Pettman who ran 100 and 117 missed some relatively easy shots in the pressure of match play.
That being said, I know I can play faster and thanks again for all the congratulations, it does warm my heart to hear that from each of you!
Thanks again,
Max Eberle
PS: Apparently Tiger Woods slow plays like crazy but they don't show that part so it's ok... And Johnny Archer wins events sometimes playing so slow that it makes me look like a sprinter. He can play fast too though of course.
If there was $50,000 on the line, there would be zero complaints about my pace of play I'm sure. And to me, this title was priceless, and I addressed it as such.
Ultimately there probably should be a 45 sec or 1 min shot clock with one or two extensions per rack or more on the safeties. But only if the clock is implemented from the start of a match.
Also thanks to Bill Maropolis and Dennis Walsh for all their work and JR Calvert and Alvin Nelson for producing a great stream. Thanks to Fred Agnir, Danny Harriman, and Matt for great commentary. Also thanks to Greg Sullivan and Diamond for making the 10-Footer, Simonis, Kamui, OB Shafts, Inside Pool, and Stu Mattana for sponsoring the event.
Thanks to my cue sponsor Pechauer Custom Cues, and shaft provider Tiger Products for my Tiger X Pro Shaft. And thanks to Ermanno at Best Billiards LV for the practice time on the Hermelin 10-footer.
If I left out any sponsors forgive me and please announce yourself!
Last and surely not least, thanks to my friend, backer and road partner for the DCC Jerry Newcombe of Las Vegas, it was a great time!
what a waste of 2 hours..
STOP TRYING TO SELL 14.1 To THE GAMBLE BANGERS!!!!
just f'king stop.....
they don't get it.... they won't get it... and most important they simply don't give a shit...
note to streamers... stop shooting your wad on the first few rounds...
wasn't that long ago Incardona was flat out bored.. complained his drunk ass all the way through a HILL HILL 10ball FINALS!!!!
these finals keep being empty rooms and the commentators don't even give a shit..
do you know why the super bowl is the biggest day in sports??? BECAUSE THE FINALS FU*KING MATTER!!!!!
players quitting?? really there should be a fine.. forfeit a match you forfeit every single dollar you earned at that event..
what a f'king Joke
I feel bad for Max.. he and I were the only ones paying attention... what a shame
STOP TRYING TO SELL 14.1 To THE GAMBLE BANGERS!!!!
just f'king stop.....
they don't get it.... they won't get it... and most important they simply don't give a shit...
note to streamers... stop shooting your wad on the first few rounds...
wasn't that long ago Incardona was flat out bored.. complained his drunk ass all the way through a HILL HILL 10ball FINALS!!!!
these finals keep being empty rooms and the commentators don't even give a shit..
do you know why the super bowl is the biggest day in sports??? BECAUSE THE FINALS FU*KING MATTER!!!!!
players quitting?? really there should be a fine.. forfeit a match you forfeit every single dollar you earned at that event..
what a f'king Joke
I feel bad for Max.. he and I were the only ones paying attention... what a shame
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i watched all the streamed matches of 14.1 by inside pool at DCC....i have to say that max was, IMHO, the player that was the most focused on each shot and max certainly showed his knowledge of the game and pattern play. while dennis is a better shot maker. Max's 14.1 match showed us the importance of pattern play and safties...job well done max! :dance:
I watched a lot of stream and I watched a lot of the high run tries in person, and I didn't think the pace of play was particularly slow given that it's straight pool and the size and difficulty of the tables. Congratulations to Max on taking it down. He seems like a good dude, and guys that love 14.1 and play it at such a high level get raised a couple notches in my book.
Max, not slow play at all IMHO. That's a lot of extra perimeter you have to cover, often several times while examining other shot lines. It was a pleasure watching you play.
You want to see slow play? At Turning Stone last month I saw some 9-ball races to 9 that took longer. Jason Klatt took almost three hours to lose a hill-hill match to Oscar Dominguez. It was worse than watching paint dry, more like watching it fade in the sun. Then Oscar had to immediately jump to the adjacent table without even a short break to play Dechaine in another race to 9. He lost that match 9-5. Maybe he was a little burned out?
I didn't see Jayson Shaw playing 14.1 at DCC, but he tore up most of the field at Turning Stone. He went hill-hill against Shane, and only lost when he botched a simple combo for the cheese trying to fire it into one of those tough Diamond corner pockets. He is certainly a force to be reckoned with in the future.
You want to see slow play? At Turning Stone last month I saw some 9-ball races to 9 that took longer. Jason Klatt took almost three hours to lose a hill-hill match to Oscar Dominguez. It was worse than watching paint dry, more like watching it fade in the sun. Then Oscar had to immediately jump to the adjacent table without even a short break to play Dechaine in another race to 9. He lost that match 9-5. Maybe he was a little burned out?
I didn't see Jayson Shaw playing 14.1 at DCC, but he tore up most of the field at Turning Stone. He went hill-hill against Shane, and only lost when he botched a simple combo for the cheese trying to fire it into one of those tough Diamond corner pockets. He is certainly a force to be reckoned with in the future.