Maybe It's Time U.S had own tour?

Johnnyt

Johnnyt

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I know we all like to see the top players from other countries play here in the U. S. If you look at the money won this year and past years you will find most of the big U. S. tournament money goes to out of the country players...except SVB. A large percentage of purse money for the top players from other countries comes from U. S. tournaments.

Now I know what a lot of you will say, "American players need to get better". IMO the fastest way to get better is to practice hard and play in tough games. I think if the ABP or who ever got a 32 man national pro tour going that had at least one tournament a month that most pros on it and players that wanted to get on it would start putting in the time at the table to up their game. I believe the only one that can get this type of tour going are the pro players themselves. 32 player tournaments can be played in med. to large size billiard rooms. If all the sponsored players asked their sponsors to help sponsor their tour they might get enough yes answers to get the tour started. If SVB could get Cuetec to commit, that alone would be big. Johnnyt
 
Johnnyt said:
I know we all like to see the top players from other countries play here in the U. S. If you look at the money won this year and past years you will find most of the big U. S. tournament money goes to out of the country players...except SVB. A large percentage of purse money for the top players from other countries comes from U. S. tournaments.

Now I know what a lot of you will say, "American players need to get better". IMO the fastest way to get better is to practice hard and play in tough games. I think if the ABP or who ever got a 32 man national pro tour going that had at least one tournament a month that most pros on it and players that wanted to get on it would start putting in the time at the table to up their game. I believe the only one that can get this type of tour going are the pro players themselves. 32 player tournaments can be played in med. to large size billiard rooms. If all the sponsored players asked their sponsors to help sponsor their tour they might get enough yes answers to get the tour started. If SVB could get Cuetec to commit, that alone would be big. Johnnyt
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OK, so 32 players pay $100 entry fee. That is only $3,200 in prize money (no added). If they decide to pay 1/4 of the field, that means $3,200 would be spread among 8 players. Do you think this is good money for a National Tour? I guess they would have to spread it among 4 players, which means that 28 of them will not earn one iota. How would those 28 players feel? Would this be better than no tour at all?

I know that many people would like to see our players earn respectable money, but it just ain't there; and there is really no money to give away. It is sad but in our lifetime, we will not be able to see the sport leap to anything better than what we have today.
 
Something like the old Camel Pro Tour. That was a great event, or at least I had a great time attending. The APA had sponsorship behind it back then as well. When they had the event here they ran an APA event side by side it worked out really well. I think for the good of the game this would be an opportunity for the leagues to get get together on something with a big corporate sponsor, like Coors, or Camel, or Phillip Morris, and include some of the American billiard companies, offer local sponsorships to any local companies and businesses (billiard or not), I would have high hopes for such a series of events. Do I ever see it happening again? Not in a million years....
Does Cuetec sponsor a regional tour somewhere?
 
Who is going to pay for this tour?

what the players make is someone else's loss, tours dont print $$$ they only redistribute it.
 
Fatboy said:
Who is going to pay for this tour?
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Corporate Sponsor like Budweisher because ever Bar in the USA sell Budwheisher, and Pool player drink, and support Anheisher Bush.


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above was said tong in cheek.
 
CocoboloCowboy said:
Corporate Sponsor like Budweisher because ever Bar in the USA sell Budwheisher, and Pool player drink, and support Anheisher Bush.


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above was said tong in cheek.
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Easier said than done!! You need to be running 2 years with tax returns to get any major company sponsor you.
 
juegabillar said:
OK, so 32 players pay $100 entry fee. That is only $3,200 in prize money (no added). If they decide to pay 1/4 of the field, that means $3,200 would be spread among 8 players. Do you think this is good money for a National Tour? I guess they would have to spread it among 4 players, which means that 28 of them will not earn one iota. How would those 28 players feel? Would this be better than no tour at all?

I know that many people would like to see our players earn respectable money, but it just ain't there; and there is really no money to give away. It is sad but in our lifetime, we will not be able to see the sport leap to anything better than what we have today.
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That is why I brought up the sponsors. I know they need more than entry fees to make it work. Johnnyt
 
Celophanewrap said:
Something like the old Camel Pro Tour. That was a great event, or at least I had a great time attending. The APA had sponsorship behind it back then as well. When they had the event here they ran an APA event side by side it worked out really well. I think for the good of the game this would be an opportunity for the leagues to get get together on something with a big corporate sponsor, like Coors, or Camel, or Phillip Morris, and include some of the American billiard companies, offer local sponsorships to any local companies and businesses (billiard or not), I would have high hopes for such a series of events. Do I ever see it happening again? Not in a million years....
Does Cuetec sponsor a regional tour somewhere?
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They use to sponsor the WPBA. Johnnyt
 
There are a few top pros that have some business sense. Hunter, Corey, SVB. Instead of giving the ball to the same proven losers when it comes to business why not make these young players that do have some the go to guys? Johnnyt
 
Johnnyt said:
There are a few top pros that have some business sense. Hunter, Corey, SVB. Instead of giving the ball to the same proven losers when it comes to business why not make these young players that do have some the go to guys? Johnnyt
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How would you make them ? Go to guys for what ? What ball is being given ? Oh, that's a cliche, never mind.

I suspect that players want to play, not create and run a tour. My opinion is that the best idea is to coordinate the existing brand-name tournaments and start selling that as a tour. The players and promoters together. But I fear the game will remain fractured for some time to come.

Dave
 
Hard Times last 3 are 2 from the PI and 1 from PI/Canada and fourth goes home to Germany. Probably 60% or more of the purse goes out of the country. Johnnyt
 
Yeah, any player who beats Americans should be banned from entering the country. This a job for Homeland Security! Let's ban Toyota, Honda, BMW, Fiat and all the other crummy foreign cars too. Keep U.S. money in Detroit!

Actually I think this would be the final nail in the coffin for U.S. pool. How much sense does it make to ban some of the most exciting players in the world when spectator viewership is at an all-time low? I know I'd be a lot less interested in watching.
 
its a tough sell when the tourny at Hardtimes gets less than 1000 viewers today. that dont move the needle, you need a few hundered thousand viewers to have any value to advertisers (who provide the $$$). until that happens, it aint gonna happen. i'm 46 and betting on the over.....
 
juegabillar said:
OK, so 32 players pay $100 entry fee. That is only $3,200 in prize money (no added). If they decide to pay 1/4 of the field, that means $3,200 would be spread among 8 players. Do you think this is good money for a National Tour? I guess they would have to spread it among 4 players, which means that 28 of them will not earn one iota. How would those 28 players feel? Would this be better than no tour at all?

I know that many people would like to see our players earn respectable money, but it just ain't there; and there is really no money to give away. It is sad but in our lifetime, we will not be able to see the sport leap to anything better than what we have today.
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$3200 divided among 8 players? They would not drive accross town!!!
 
DaveK said:
My opinion is that the best idea is to coordinate the existing brand-name tournaments and start selling that as a tour.
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That makes a lot of sense to me... find something that's already running but has had limited reach (wasn't there a series of 3 tournaments in california recently?) and add a few legs and stops every year, call it a tour, try to get bud or whoever to some money into it.
 
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