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Mike Dechaine : Things for you to know
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No bet. Sorry. I don't know you. And I never bet with unknown entities online.
Charlie and M.D. won't be back to post their thoughts, though they may read these threads about them. Nothing we write about here will affect the outcome. It's business as usual.
I will say this, though. If M.D. cursed at a promoter like Mike Zuglan or Mark Griffin, he'd be shown the exit door pronto. No ifs, ands, or buts.
As well, Charlie moving the seeds around on the chart like a coach moving football players wreaks of favoritism.
In this regard, I think both share the burden of wrongdoing, for lack of a better word.
On a good note, M.D. has achieved a lot of pool celebrity-ness from his pool-playing skills. It's not all the TV show. He does deserve a modicum of respect as far as the skills deparmtent go.
Charlie keeps this annual 14.1 tournament alive on American soil. This is good for two reasons. One, it's in the States, and two, it brings a lot of joy to those straight pool enthusiasts.
This, too, shall pass, as does everything in the professional pool world. The rich get richer, and the pro players will continue to scramble for crumbs. Welcome to American professional pool where the pros have no future to look forward to. It's like a nightmare that gets worse and worse.
I will say this, though. If M.D. cursed at a promoter like Mike Zuglan or Mark Griffin, he'd be shown the exit door pronto. No ifs, ands, or buts.
As well, Charlie moving the seeds around on the chart like a coach moving football players wreaks of favoritism.
In this regard, I think both share the burden of wrongdoing, for lack of a better word.
On a good note, M.D. has achieved a lot of pool celebrity-ness from his pool-playing skills. It's not all the TV show. He does deserve a modicum of respect as far as the skills deparmtent go.
Charlie keeps this annual 14.1 tournament alive on American soil. This is good for two reasons. One, it's in the States, and two, it brings a lot of joy to those straight pool enthusiasts.
This, too, shall pass, as does everything in the professional pool world. The rich get richer, and the pro players will continue to scramble for crumbs. Welcome to American professional pool where the pros have no future to look forward to. It's like a nightmare that gets worse and worse.
Did I ever tell yall the very first recorded pool match I ever had was giving to me at the junior nationals when I was like 14.
It was Charlie Williams vs Max Eberle....It was called The Masters I think.In Chesapeake..Its on vhs..
anybody know whats thats worth right about now?
It was Charlie Williams vs Max Eberle....It was called The Masters I think.In Chesapeake..Its on vhs..
anybody know whats thats worth right about now?
Given the way that CW and his posse talk about AZB and the people here on Facebook, ya gotta admire the sheer balls it takes to come here and pretend to want to communicate with us.
Oh that's right, he said he won't be replying to this, his own thread.
Oh that's right, he said he won't be replying to this, his own thread.
JAM;
With all due respect, I don't give CW the same cred for coming on here with his post..
I think most people are just interested in knowing the truth and what Charlie did here, aside from being very rude and condescending to AZ members, simply looks like damage control. And stating that he will not answer anything further about it here speaks volumes, imo.
Also speaking volumes about Charlie is his past track record which is not a very good one.
The way this guy conducts himself casts a long dark shadow over what could otherwise be a magnificent event.
best,
brian kc
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I understand where you're coming from. I have noticed that many pro players do not think too highly of this pool forum. It's not just Charlie. If you've noticed -- and I am sure you have -- some pros who used to post here frequently have ceased doing so altogether. There were some who tried AzBilliards for a while, but when the onslaught of trolls, banned members posting, and clowns entered the frey, they also ceased posting here, thinking we're a bunch of crackpots. I could name at least a dozen current pros who tried to take a ride on the AzBilliards train and quickly jumped off.
With all that said, Charlie did come into this hellish pit of despair for pro players and gave his side of the story. He does deserve some credit for that.
As far as his past actions in the pool world, I am reminded of the line in the song by The Mamas and the Papas: And no one's gettin' fat except Mama Cass
Charlies getting fat; the rest of the pros aren't faring so well. I read somewhere one time in a business journal that in order to be successful in business that you must be an A-hole.
JAM <--- not successful in business
I just love it when jack-legs come on here and say: "This will be my only post."
KK9 <---- didn't bother reading any further.
I understand where you're coming from. I have noticed that many pro players do not think too highly of this pool forum. It's not just Charlie. If you've noticed -- and I am sure you have -- some pros who used to post here frequently have ceased doing so altogether. There were some who tried AzBilliards for a while, but when the onslaught of trolls, banned members posting, and clowns entered the frey, they also ceased posting here, thinking we're a bunch of crackpots. I could name at least a dozen current pros who tried to take a ride on the AzBilliards train and quickly jumped off.
With all that said, Charlie did come into this hellish pit of despair for pro players and gave his side of the story. He does deserve some credit for that.
As far as his past actions in the pool world, I am reminded of the line in the song by The Mamas and the Papas: And no one's gettin' fat except Mama Cass
Charlies getting fat; the rest of the pros aren't faring so well. I read somewhere one time in a business journal that in order to be successful in business that you must be an A-hole.
JAM <--- not successful in business
If, he were to stick around and answer questions, it would have been commendable. But, IMO, coming on here and doing "the will be my only post" doesn't take guts and is not commendable in the least. I understand he's probably quite busy and might not have the time at the moment but at least have someone from "his staff" help him out here.
AKA Mark Griffin style. He puts his phone number and says call with questions. THAT'S commendable.
I think one major thing is being lost in this 'giving credit' to people, and it's the elephant in the room that this OP did nothing to address.
It is completely unacceptable for a tournament director that is placing players in a tournament to have any monetary interest in the outcome of the tournament. If what Mike is claiming is true and Charlie was going to get half his winnings - this is conflict of interest at it's finest. People involved in the calcutta should be screaming for disclosure, and perhaps their money back. How many players has he staked? Did they all 'randomly' end up in different pools? If this was in Vegas or had Vegas book makers involved, betting on this event would be halted immediately at just a whiff of the corruption going on here.
Makes you wonder how many competitors in their MMA events may be 'sponsored' by Charlie.
It is completely unacceptable for a tournament director that is placing players in a tournament to have any monetary interest in the outcome of the tournament. If what Mike is claiming is true and Charlie was going to get half his winnings - this is conflict of interest at it's finest. People involved in the calcutta should be screaming for disclosure, and perhaps their money back. How many players has he staked? Did they all 'randomly' end up in different pools? If this was in Vegas or had Vegas book makers involved, betting on this event would be halted immediately at just a whiff of the corruption going on here.
Makes you wonder how many competitors in their MMA events may be 'sponsored' by Charlie.
Jesse Gilbert
Banned
I wonder how many other people Charlie put in? Seems like some shadyness from both sides is shown through ones actions.
I have no dog in this fight other than I enjoy watching world class 14.1 and the "otherwise magnificent event" had ceased to exist until Charlie revived it.
Not making excuses for him but perhaps this is the only way he can make it work. Other promoters have commented but none of them are able to raise the cash for this tournament. I'd rather have Charlie with his flaws than no tournament and 14.1 relegated to the history books.
One thing I can say is that Charlie made an offer to the cast of The Hustlers to come play in the straight pool for free. He did stipulate that if you play for free you can't win the prize money though. I thought it was a good deal cause most of us don't get a chance to compete with that level of player on a regular basis nor are we going to be winning very much plus we save the $600 entry. That would have been mutually beneficial. We all have jobs though so we didn't play.
I still feel like it's a non issue, if I want to call out of work or decline a job it's nobody's place to tell me I should have to do otherwise. This would be different if Charlie would have paid Mike D. to play or refused to refund an entry fee and held the money. With the way it is though both people get to walk away clean and move on.
One big non-issue but pool is weird like that, we'd rather talk about who didn't play more than who is playing. This isn't anything compared to the shenanigans that has gone on at the US Open for the last 6 years. No players made a stand there huh?
maybe CHICAGOPLAYER (Angel Levine) got some footage of the incidents?
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Not sure if you are saying players did or did not make a stand in regards to the U.S. Open. Players at the U.S. open made a stand but did so quietly. The Filipinos (mostly) didn't play. Many Past winners who had their free entry taken away --- oh and this was caused by Charlie Williams and his fictitious ABP organization --- have stayed away as well. Others like the Vietnamese player were vocal on AZB and others like Oscar D made a point on Facebook when his fathers check bounced.
