Mike Sigel - A true champion

[BVal]

Most of what you read on this forum is hearsay.

To address your previous opinion, though, it is quite possible that Danny could have been hanging around the tournament venue site when the match times were changed. Hypothetically speaking, Mike Sigel could have left the tournament venue site after he saw that his match was supposed to be at 1:00 p.m. Danny, on the other hand, may have been hanging around and noticed the time change from 1:00 p.m. to 11:00 a.m., which may be why Danny showed up at 11:00 a.m. and Mike Sigel did not.

There could be many reasons for it happening, but I am fairly confident that a seasoned veteran of the pool world, as well as a professional tournament competitor like Mike Sigel, wouldn't make a mistake about his match times.

My opinion and I am sticking with it.

JAM

There were 32 professional pool players playing in the bracket play at the 14.1 World Championship. Many of them are seasoned veterans. 31 of them made their match on time and 1 didn't.

BVal

 

[JAM]

There were 32 professional pool players playing in the bracket play at the 14.1 World Championship. Many of them are seasoned veterans. 31 of them made their match on time and 1 didn't.

BVal

How many pro events have you been to? I would venture to guess not many.

FWIW, it is possible to change the match for SOME matches and not ALL.

You seem a little green about tournaments to make that statement, and that's my opinion.

JAM

 

[BVal]

How many pro events have you been to? I would venture to guess not many.

FWIW, it is possible to change the match for SOME matches and not ALL.

You seem a little green about tournaments to make that statement, and that's my opinion.

JAM

First off I would like to say that Mike Sigel is a great pool player and past champion.

JAM,
I am not sure what how many tournaments I have been to has to do with anything. Apparently I am not qualified to notice that 32 players were there and 31 made their match on time whether the time was changed or not.

FWIW, from now on I will keep my opinion about tournaments to myself until I have been to as many as you have. I will report to you after each tournament I go to and then you can send me a certificate when I am qualified to give my opinion on one.

BVal <---- leaving to go hit the tournament trail.

 

[Sweet Marissa]

Mike Sigel is a WORLD CHAMPION. Who is Charlie Williams? Oh, the #1 Korean American player, self proclaimed. In all of Sigel's years of playing pool, has he ever made a mistake about his match time?

That's a rhetorical question.

What an amazing coincidence that this happened to Corey Deuel not to long ago. More of a pattern I should say.

 

[JAM]

I am not sure what how many tournaments I have been to has to do with anything. Apparently I am not qualified to notice that 32 players were there and 31 made their match on time whether the time was changed or not.

FWIW, from now on I will keep my opinion about tournaments to myself until I have been to as many as you have. I will report to you after each tournament I go to and then you can send me a certificate when I am qualified to give my opinion on one.

BVal <---- leaving to go hit the tournament trail.

Good. Happy trails to you.

Can't wait to hear about your tournament experiences. LOL! :wave2:

:rotflmao1: :rotflmao1: :rotflmao1: :rotflmao1: :rotflmao1: :rotflmao1:

JAM

 

[SpiderWebComm]

Mike Sigel is a WORLD CHAMPION. Who is Charlie Williams? Oh, the #1 Korean American player, self proclaimed. In all of Sigel's years of playing pool, has he ever made a mistake about his match time?

That's a rhetorical question.

What an amazing coincidence that this happened to Corey Deuel not to long ago. More of a pattern I should say.

What she said........

 

[JAM]

Mike Sigel is a WORLD CHAMPION. Who is Charlie Williams? Oh, the #1 Korean American player, self proclaimed. In all of Sigel's years of playing pool, has he ever made a mistake about his match time?

That's a rhetorical question.

What an amazing coincidence that this happened to Corey Deuel not to long ago. More of a pattern I should say.

TAP, TAP, TAP!

It is definitely a case of history repeating itself when it comes to DP events.

JAM

 

[tucson9ball]

JAM & BVAl

You guys need to take a happy pill and relax a bit. I'm sure all the details will be told in a day or two. In the mean time, just enjoy shooting pool, that's what us AZB'ers to best. Keep on Strokin!:thumbup:

 

[Cuebacca]

That thread says nothing about a time change being confirmed. Danny was there ready to play and for some reason Mike was not. I am not a hater of either of these guys. It is a weird situation.

BVal

Danny is an AZ'er, so maybe he saw Rubyron's cartoon and showed up early so that he wouldn't have to risk hurting his cue-gripping hand.

 

[BVal]

You guys need to take a happy pill and relax a bit. I'm sure all the details will be told in a day or two. In the mean time, just enjoy shooting pool, that's what us AZB'ers to best. Keep on Strokin!:thumbup:

Thanks man - I was never sad

BVal

 

[tucson9ball]

Bval

Thanks man - I was never sad

BVal

By the way, where were you last weekend? Didn't see ya at Bullshooters.

 

[BVal]

By the way, where were you last weekend? Didn't see ya at Bullshooters.

I can't rub 2 nickels together. Hours got cut back at work so any "luxuries" are gone for now.

BVal

 

[tucson9ball]

BVal,
Ya really didn't miss anything new. Mitch put on his usual shotmakin clinic. Lil' Ronnie Kidd was there and surprised a few folks. He can make a few balls for just turning 13.

 

[Roy Steffensen]

Roy Steffensen from Norway initiated this thread, entitled "Mike Sigel forfeit in World 14-1 - Matchtime changed from 1 to 11...": http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=111070

I am not there on site at this event. I do not know where Roy got his information from, whether he is there on site or whether he is posting information he received from somebody who is there on site.

I don't think anybody would make it up.

JAM

I am just glued in front of my computer at home, hitting the F5 button for updates from the tournament

I just quoted a post in another thread, from a member of AZB who were present at the venue and telling us about Mike yelling to the tournament director before forfeiting.

Unfortunately we haven't got any confirmation if the time was changed or not, but my opinion is that the time has been changed.

John Schmidt was heard saying that he thought the match was supposed to start at 1 also, because he was excited about getting a chance to sweat the match between Mike and Danny since his match was at 11...

But, still no confirmation about what really happened...

 

[MikeM]

His match times WEREN'T changed!

He assumed that he would be seeded in the top 8 and would be playing at 1. He was wrong. Then instead of admitting his mistake, he made a decision that many think was the wrong one.

Now he doesn't want to discuss it. Hmmm.

If anyone can read all of the reports and not come to this conclusion they're not trying to see the truth.

MM

Thanks for your OPINION, Randy.

I can't wait to get Mike's side of the story.

edited to remove a characterization that may be unfair

You know what they say about there's three sides to the story. You presented one side.

As far as the victim goes, I'd have packed up and left the entire tournament if I was treated the way Mike was, having my match times changed willy nilly. Mike Sigel's very presence to this event did DP the favor and not the other way around.

Seems to be a trend with DP events, though, forfeiting, changing match times, and not disseminating up-to-date correct information to the pool media.

JAM

 

[Eric.]

He assumed that he would be seeded in the top 8 and would be playing at 1. He was wrong. Then instead of admitting his mistake, he acted like a prima donna and played the victim.

Now he doesn't want to discuss it. Hmmm.

If anyone can read all of the reports and not come to this conclusion they're not trying to see the truth.

MM

Mike, this has to be the best explanation I've heard so far. I don't like to speculate, but I just agree with your guess.


Eric

 

[Blackjack]

edited

That isn't the way I see it at all.

FWIW, Mike Sigel's mother had passed away just a few days earlier. Perhaps Mike Sigel wasn't thinking clearly because he had other things on his mind. I think that is more the reason for this situation than anything else I have heard so far.

 

[TheWizard]

That isn't the way I see it at all.

FWIW, Mike Sigel's mother had passed away just a few days earlier. Perhaps Mike Sigel wasn't thinking clearly because he had other things on his mind. I think that is more the reason for this situation than anything else I have heard so far.

I think that this would most likely be the case also as it makes more sense to me.

My sympathies are with Mike and his family at this time.

Willie

 

[MikeM]

Fair enough

That isn't the way I see it at all.

FWIW, Mike Sigel's mother had passed away just a few days earlier. Perhaps Mike Sigel wasn't thinking clearly because he had other things on his mind. I think that is more the reason for this situation than anything else I have heard so far.

and I've changed my post accordingly. The bottom line is the ultimate decsion to not play this match was Mr. Sigel's. He has his reasons and was in a bad situation. It's just become beyond ridiculous to blame this on anyone else involved.

Usually I love a chance to pile on CW, but this isn't the time.

My condolences also to Mr. Sigel on the loss of his mother. Makes his early strong play even more remarkable.

MM

 

[Blackjack]

and I've changed my post to accordingly. The bottom line is the ultimate decsion to not play this match was Mr. Sigel's. He has his reasons and was in a bad situation. It's just become beyond ridiculous to blame this on anyone else involved.

Usually I love a chance to pile on CW, but this isn't the time.

My condolences also to Mr. Sigel on the loss of his mother. Makes his early strong play even more remarkable.

MM

Don't worry about it, Mike. I didn't know about what happened until somebody sent me a message with the news of his mother's passing.

Very sad news. Mike's going through a tough time. Like him or not, it took a lot of balls for Mike to show up in NJ and play as well as he did. If faced with the same situation, most players would have elected to skip the event altogether. Mike decided to play despite what was going on in his life. It is too bad that the forfeit occurred.

The forfeit is overshadowing the more important issue - which is the loss of a parent. That is never an easy situation to deal with emotionally. I'm sure that anybody that has experienced the loss of a parent will understand what he was going through.