Mike Sigel forfeit in World 14-1 - Matchtime changed from 1 to 11...

This just plain stinks. After the IPT match between Sigel and Schmidt I was looking forward to Sigel playing in this event. For one of the greatest players ever to be thrown into the losers bracket for some bs like this is a stain on the reputation of the people running the tournament.
 
why didn't he play?

alstl said:
This just plain stinks. After the IPT match between Sigel and Schmidt I was looking forward to Sigel playing in this event. For one of the greatest players ever to be thrown into the losers bracket for some bs like this is a stain on the reputation of the people running the tournament.
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He was in room at 10;50 Am
Why didn't he play?
They would have waited for him if he asked !!
I don't think these guys are out to screw anybody and are trying to be fair
to all
Hey they are putting their wallet up for those guys and us!!
Thank you for having such a great tournament
Let's support it !!
 
I would guess that I've known Mike longer than any other poster here at AZ. From when he first arrived at Ridge Billiards in Rochester. When he travelled the backroads of pool with Larry Hubbart. While he played his way to the number one player in the world. Never, never once did he make a mistake of this magnitude. Mike wanted to win this event. He wanted to show people he can still play at the highest level. We hoped he would silence those posters here who call him a "has been". Sorry guys, I won't buy the "he mis-read the board" crap. In my mind, that leaves only one answer.

Lyn
 
One of the reasons I got into the tournament biz, was because every event I attended, run by people that have been legends for decades, still did not know the correct way and procedures to properly ensure a smooth competition. I don't know how many times the rules were changed between events and quite a few times DURING the event.
That is when i quit touring and became a promoter and director. It is a shame if it is true what happened to Mike. I would have personally found him and any player that had a match change time. But I cannot think of an event that I ever changed a start time to earlier. After the draw, the entire week or weekend should be scheduled. This running of major events with maybe we will do this or do that attitudes is embarassing to me.
 
SUPERSTAR said:
You know, there is a simple way to avoid this type of thing.

There should be a TD desk where players go talk to someone in charge and sign for their next match time.

There, they would get a numbered card issued to them with their match and time for the following day that they would have to sign for, as well as a signature from the TD on the card, as well as a signature going into a book from the player and the TD that corresponds to the card # so that there is no chance that a change can take place without the player knowing.

If the time was changed, it has to be logged.
If they change the time, but there is no signature on the log book from a player saying they did in fact find out the new time, the forfeit is moot.

Or some system similar to this that safeguards the players.

It's kind of ridiculous when you have this type of issue in the first place and blame cannot be assigned.
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You know what time of day it is, SUPERSTAR. Of course, that is the way tournaments should be run.

These tournaments run by this entity, though, seem more like a dictatorship. What a shame.

JAM
 
Sweet Marissa said:
As for Charlie not being TD at Dragon Promotions events: he has his thumb on everything DP related. It looks to me like he tries to weed out the players he doesn't like or he knows can beat him. Something like this would never happen to Charlie at one of HIS tournaments. Many times, including non-DP events, he's much later than the fifteen minutes given before a forfeit is called. Time stops for him.
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This is the stone-cold truth. I have read on this forum several instances where Charlie Williams the pool player walked in late for a tournament. At one event, it was well over one hour, and the TD did not forfeit him.

JAM
 
jay helfert said:
A good TD would NEVER move a match time up, only back if other matches are running long. And even then he would do whatever is possible to inform both players that their match has been moved back.

Now, if the night before, a decision is made to move a match forward, it is incumbent on the TD to make CERTAIN both players know about this change. If he is unable to do this, then NO changes should be made until he is able to inform both players, and give them ample time to prepare.

You cannot assume that somebody else (a friend or whatever) will tell a player his match time has been changed. I am beginning to see a pattern here, and it is not a good one.
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Jay, you're right again. You must have done this before! ;)

As crazy as the DCC is with the buybacks, et cetera, Scott Smith always makes sure to contact each player when and if he changes the charts.

One time, Keith asked Scott Smith when his next match was, and Scott told him the next morning at 10:00 a.m., which was great. Keith was sick as a dog with the flu, and after Scott told him that, Keith stayed in the hotel room the rest of that day and night. Oh, man, was he sick, and so was I, with that flu.

For whatever reason, the charts were changed that evening, when Scott was not present, by one of his assistants. Those buybacks at the DCC and simultaneous tournaments make things difficult for scheduling sometimes. :o

The next morning, when Scott found out about the change to the tournament schedule, knowing full well he told Keith to come the next morning at 10:00 a.m., he put Keith back in the tournament for a match later that day and did not forfeit him or un-forfeited him, I should say! :p

Somebody needs to forfeit Charlie Williams from promoting tournaments, IMHO!

JAM
 
fish on said:
He was in room at 10;50 Am
Why didn't he play?
They would have waited for him if he asked !!
I don't think these guys are out to screw anybody and are trying to be fair
to all
Hey they are putting their wallet up for those guys and us!!
Thank you for having such a great tournament
Let's support it !!
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Maybe he wasn't ready to play. These are professional players and should be treated as such. Do you think Wimbledon changes match times? And if they do I bet they don't change them to EARLIER than scheduled.

Maybe Mike found out at the last minute which is why he was yelling from the door about it.

Maybe they aren't out to screw anybody but this makes two tournaments in a row with the same issue. A pretty piss poor representation for a "World Championship" - which it isn't anyway.

I can't think of another world championship where the players are told you might play at 11 or 1. Only in pool.

Maybe all the players should just sit in the bleachers until they are called to play.

There is NEVER EVER an excuse for moving a match time up. Never. When a player goes to bed the night before and the time was set then it should STAY set or if moved then moved to a LATER time. That way the player is responsible to be there AT the set match time and can absorb a later match time. Moving matches to an EARLIER time or having and either/or set up leads to situations like this. And situations like this are completely and utterly UNACCEPTABLE in a sport that wants to be taken seriously.
 
JB Cases said:
Maybe he wasn't ready to play. These are professional players and should be treated as such. Do you think Wimbledon changes match times? And if they do I bet they don't change them to EARLIER than scheduled.

Maybe Mike found out at the last minute which is why he was yelling from the door about it.

Maybe they aren't out to screw anybody but this makes two tournaments in a row with the same issue. A pretty piss poor representation for a "World Championship" - which it isn't anyway.

I can't think of another world championship where the players are told you might play at 11 or 1. Only in pool.

Maybe all the players should just sit in the bleachers until they are called to play.

There is NEVER EVER an excuse for moving a match time up. Never. When a player goes to bed the night before and the time was set then it should STAY set or if moved then moved to a LATER time. That way the player is responsible to be there AT the set match time and can absorb a later match time. Moving matches to an EARLIER time or having and either/or set up leads to situations like this. And situations like this are completely and utterly UNACCEPTABLE in a sport that wants to be taken seriously.
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What you say is the truth.

Many players base their whole schedule of the day on the time of the match.

If they're playing at 1:00 p.m. in the afternoon, that means they can sleep in late, have plenty of time to eat, and then hit some balls an hour or so before game time.

If they have to play at 11:00 a.m., then they must rise and shine a little earlier, eat, and then get limber enough to play their 11:00 a.m. match. Most players like to hit some balls around before they begin their match to get in stroke a little.

AND of course, they must put on their tournament attire to play, hard shoes, belt, collared shirt, et cetera.

The majority of players I know run back to the room as soon as their matches are over to put on some more comfortable shoes and clothing. Not many of them walk around in their tournament attire, mainly because it is not as comfortable, especially the shoes.

A shoe manufacturer needs to come out with a comfortable pool shoe that is leather and acceptable at tournaments.

Oh, Nike, are you interested in becoming a pool industry member?

[Crickets chirping.] :o

JAM
 
cardiac kid said:
I would guess that I've known Mike longer than any other poster here at AZ. From when he first arrived at Ridge Billiards in Rochester. When he travelled the backroads of pool with Larry Hubbart. While he played his way to the number one player in the world. Never, never once did he make a mistake of this magnitude. Mike wanted to win this event. He wanted to show people he can still play at the highest level. We hoped he would silence those posters here who call him a "has been". Sorry guys, I won't buy the "he mis-read the board" crap. In my mind, that leaves only one answer.

Lyn
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Lyn! Why don't you call him and verify the story. Is suppose you have got his number if you know him so well!
First get the story right before jumping to conclusions please! This is all hear say. Even for the ones who were there and watched it going on. Nobody knows for sure if the times where changed! If so, i still do believe he could have played at 11.15 if he had asked for the 15 minutes extra to change his clothes. But, if the time was 1 indeed i can imagine your gameplan lets you down. Some people need food at a certain time to perform well!
 
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JAM said:
What you say is the truth.

Many players base their whole schedule of the day on the time of the match.

If they're playing at 1:00 p.m. in the afternoon, that means they can sleep in late, have plenty of time to eat, and then hit some balls an hour or so before game time.

If they have to play at 11:00 a.m., then they must rise and shine a little earlier, eat, and then get limber enough to play their 11:00 a.m. match. Most players like to hit some balls around before they begin their match to get in stroke a little.

AND of course, they must put on their tournament attire to play, hard shoes, belt, collared shirt, et cetera.

The majority of players I know run back to the room as soon as their matches are over to put on some more comfortable shoes and clothing. Not many of them walk around in their tournament attire, mainly because it is not as comfortable, especially the shoes.

A shoe manufacturer needs to come out with a comfortable pool shoe that is leather and acceptable at tournaments.

Oh, Nike, are you interested in becoming a pool industry member?

[Crickets chirping.] :o

JAM
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Jam there are lots of leather shoes that are comfortable and acceptable. Go to a store that specializes in Birkenstocks and you will often find many brands that are made for comfort. Additionally there are lots of shoes that use athletic shoe construction but look like dress shoes. It takes a little shopping around but they are there.
 
JB Cases said:
Jam there are lots of leather shoes that are comfortable and acceptable. Go to a store that specializes in Birkenstocks and you will often find many brands that are made for comfort. Additionally there are lots of shoes that use athletic shoe construction but look like dress shoes. It takes a little shopping around but they are there.
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John, you're talking to a gal who is an American-born shopper. I probably know more about shoes than you may, but maybe not! ;)

What I notice at tournament venues, though, are players who complain over and over and over again about their feet and their shoes being uncomfortable. Tony Chohan's feet were hurting bad at the Open one year, so bad he could hardly walk. Ginky's Italian leather shoes were giving him fits in Orlando. The male players in particular have a tough time finding COMFORTABLE leather shoes for tournament play.

BTW, I happen to like Mephistos much more than Birks.

Keith likes the well-priced Eccos and hates the $350 Mephistos that were given to him for tournament play. :angry:

Jose Parica liked my Mephistos so much that he kept them, after a visit to our home. He and I wear the same size!

JAM
 
JAM said:
John, you're talking to a gal who is an American-born shopper. I probably know more about shoes than you may, but maybe not! ;)

What I notice at tournament venues, though, are players who complain over and over and over again about their feet and their shoes being uncomfortable. Tony Chohan's feet were hurting bad at the Open one year, so bad he could hardly walk. Ginky's Italian leather shoes were giving him fits in Orlando. The male players in particular have a tough time finding COMFORTABLE leather shoes for tournament play.

BTW, I happen to like Mephistos much more than Birks.

Keith likes the well-priced Eccos and hates the $350 Mephistos that were given to him for tournament play. :angry:
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No doubt. For my part I am a veteran trade show exhibitor and tournament player. I know how much shoes make the difference when you have to be on your feet all day. I also know that -some- players opt for style without much thought to comfort and they pay for it.

It's not just men who suffer either. Once upon a time there was a huge women's tournament in Munich. Ilona Bernhard, a plus sized unknown runout player, from Germany was TROUNCING the field. She beat the best of the time easily, Robin Dodson, Eva, Loree Jon, no matter, Ilona was unstoppable. One thing did stop her however and relegated her to second place.

On the final day she was told that she would have to play in dress shoes rather than the comfortable shoes she had been wearing. On a Sunday in Germany at the time it was impossible to find a place selling shoes that filled the requirement. So she was forced to choose from what the hotel shop had on display. When you are 250lbs and not used to heels you can imagine what havoc that plays on your game.

As a result she played terribly in the finals and lost, to Robin I believe. Just another story of a tournament direction screwing the player I guess.
 
comfortable shoes

JAM said:
John, you're talking to a gal who is an American-born shopper. I probably know more about shoes than you may, but maybe not! ;)

What I notice at tournament venues, though, are players who complain over and over and over again about their feet and their shoes being uncomfortable. Tony Chohan's feet were hurting bad at the Open one year, so bad he could hardly walk. Ginky's Italian leather shoes were giving him fits in Orlando. The male players in particular have a tough time finding COMFORTABLE leather shoes for tournament play.

BTW, I happen to like Mephistos much more than Birks.

Keith likes the well-priced Eccos and hates the $350 Mephistos that were given to him for tournament play. :angry:

Jose Parica liked my Mephistos so much that he kept them, after a visit to our home. He and I wear the same size!

JAM
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Maybe something like this would do the trick.

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Never heard anyone say pumas weren't comfortable. they have other dress styles too.

they are a little pricey though. these are 240.00.
M.C.
 
RBC said:
Superstar,

(snip)
I have a couple of friends there who were planning on watching that match at 1:00, only to find out that it had been moved. (snip)
Royce Bunnell
www.obcues.com
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Emphasis mine.

Think if this happened for say an NFL game...the sponsors or fans wouldn't put up with it, would they?

Pool keeps chasing away the dollars they claim they want....der!

Jeff Livingston
 
I've read all the posts here and have no clue how you have arrived there...

enzo said:
forgive the ot, one more rare addition to the ignore list. BVal, sorry but you have gotta to make remarks that are up to par with only the first class idiots to make that list. I think i've put three people on in 5 years. It really is true. So, congradualtions on finally being one of the best at something in your life.
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JAM said:
What you say is the truth...
because it is not as comfortable, especially the shoes...A shoe manufacturer needs to come out with a comfortable pool shoe that is leather and acceptable at tournaments.

Oh, Nike, are you interested in becoming a pool industry member?

[Crickets chirping.] :o

JAM
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I think pool shoes are a good idea.
 
Black-Balled said:
Ticky-tacky-toe. 4 in a row! Impressive!!

I like these shoes:
http://www.bornshoes.com/

its all good.
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I bought me a pair of Borns last year. They are all hand-made. Keith has flat feet, and he seems to like those Eccos.

I have a high arch but a wide foot. My Borns look something like this, but the fleece on mine is lighter in color. They are truly warm and comfortable. I love 'em.

JAM
 

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