Mike Sigel pimping himself on Fleabay

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I was cruising through the cess pool Ebay has become when I came upon this gem.

From auction listing: http://cgi.ebay.com/Mike-Sigel-Cue-...ryZ21212QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Mike Sigel Custom Handcrafted Pool Cues

Direct from Mike Sigel himself

New 2007 Ebony handle with Ivory and Cocobolo inlays

Comes with 1 Canadian hard rock Maple shaft, Irish Linen wrap and La Pro tip

I was voted the Greatest Living Player of the 20th century by the Billard industry. What you may not know is that I am also an artist and creator of the finest pool cues ever made. I have traveled the world and played with almost every custom cue made. I feel my cues are unsurpassed in Design and Beauty. I personally build and sign every cue so it's not just a great cue, it's a one of a kind collectors item that will increase in value year after year. Your cue will come with a signed certificate of authenticity.

Is this new or has he been doing this for awhile?

When I was I kid I was a big fan of Sigel's, the guy played great and had what I thought of at the time as style.

Kind of a shame he killed for me what legacy he had with the IPT.

Looks like he is going down the same road Dale Perry took. Wonder how all the people who ponied up $1000's are going to feel when they see "Crazy Mike's Factory Authorized Cue Blowout". Not that it is a big shock or something most didn't see coming.

Reminds me of one of those sig lines you see on forums:

" Integrity is like Virginity. Once you lose it, you can't get it back "
 
I'm disappointed in Sigel's behaviour too, but the man's got to make a living. It would be nice if pool player's made enough money so the greats could retire when their time is up and just kind of hang around like great figures in other arenas. However, the sad truth is they don't make jack and they need to "pimp" themselves in one way or another. That's why Kevin Trudeau could so easily suck them in, they desperately wanted a way to make a decent, predicatable income.
 
catscradle said:
I'm disappointed in Sigel's behaviour too, but the man's got to make a living. It would be nice if pool player's made enough money so the greats could retire when their time is up and just kind of hang around like great figures in other arenas. However, the sad truth is they don't make jack and they need to "pimp" themselves in one way or another. That's why Kevin Trudeau could so easily suck them in, they desperately wanted a way to make a decent, predicatable income.
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Your opinion stinks, but that's just what it is, an opinion. Thankfully, not all folks feel the way you do. If they did, pool in America would be in worse shape than it is today.

Your "sad truth" of players needing to "pimp" themselves is disgusting to me, and as such, I am stating my opinion.

As far as Mike Sigel selling his wares on eBay, it is the American way. Some of my best friends utilize eBay for marketing their products. Bravo to all eBay-ers!

JAM
 
Pimping himself?
Mike has achieved success as a professional pool player and is a living legend and one of the greatest of all time and has been successful as a custom cuemaker. I would have to say that's pretty impressive.

Maybe you can elaborate on which part of what he wrote isn't true. Also I was unaware that a cuemaker couldn't sell cues on Ebay.

Pretty nasty talking about Sigel "pimping" himself, maybe you would like to list your accomplishments and we will compare them.

It is unfortunate that some choose to us AZ forums to attack and bad mouth others.
 
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what a dimwit.

every customer who forked over bloated cash for his bloated cues will be bloated with steam, as their prized sigel has now been qualitatively and quantitaively devalued like a garage sale lamp. as one who has never been keen on overpriced celebrity product, i find this news hilarious.
 
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There's really nothing wrong with Mikes cues, they play as well as any. the 2 I owned had flawless craftsmanship, and one of them was a great player, the other needed something? I'm not sure....maybe a different tip, but it was more of a wall hanger anyway.

I think some peoople are looking for any chance to jup on Sigel for the IPT thing....I can see that. I bet if he was more of an all around likable guy his cues would be as collectable as any IMO. I still respect the mans game and abilities, but after talking with him a few times, and hanging around at tourneys we were in, I wouldn't go out of my way to be around him, but hey, people say the same thing about me!:)

Gerry
 
HIRUN526 said:
Pimping himself?
Mike has achieved success as a professional pool player and is a living legend and one of the greatest of all time and has been successful as a custom cuemaker. I would have to say that's pretty impressive.

Maybe you can elaborate on which part of what he wrote isn't true. Also I was unaware that a cuemaker couldn't sell cues on Ebay.

Pretty nasty talking about Sigel "pimping" himself, maybe you would like to list your accomplishments and we will compare them.

It is unfortunate that some choose to us AZ forums to attack and bad mouth others.
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Hear, hear, and a resounding TAP, TAP, TAP! Well stated.

JAM
 
If he wants to expose his custom cues to a wider market and have them be more accessable to the average joe via Ebay, then SO WHAT!

I'd buy one in a heartbeat if I had the extra money, just to own one (just one), and I could care less if it apreciates or depreciates. Besides, I know of many custom cue makers that are asking the same or more money for their custom cues and they are "nobodys" when compared to Sigel in the pool arena. While other cuemakers "may" make "better" cues (some words in parenthesis due to the subjectiveness) I'd still buy a Sigel just for the sake of it being a Sigel.

Would I like Sigel personally?...............Probably not.
Do I care that he's "pimping" his cues................NO.

............and BTW, I've had very, very few bad Ebay experiences and a whole lot of good ones.

My $.02

Trevor
 
HIRUN526 said:
Pimping himself?
Mike has achieved success as a professional pool player and is a living legend and one of the greatest of all time and has been successful as a custom cuemaker. I would have to say that's pretty impressive.

Maybe you can elaborate on which part of what he wrote isn't true. Also I was unaware that a cuemaker couldn't sell cues on Ebay.

Pretty nasty talking about Sigel "pimping" himself, maybe you would like to list your accomplishments and we will compare them.

It is unfortunate that some choose to us AZ forums to attack and bad mouth others.
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First of all. I post nothing on an internet forum, this or any other , that I would not say to the persons face.

As far as " Maybe you can elaborate on which part of what he wrote isn't true"

I will start with these two snippets.

"What you may not know is that I am also an artist and creator of the finest pool cues ever made."

Let's see....Boti...Bushka...Franklin...DPK...and oh yeah Sigel. Come on man you can't be serious.

Exhibit #2 "...it's a one of a kind collectors item that will increase in value year after year. "

I think the owners who paid over $2000 for his cues when he first started will probably find this statement to be false. If you don't think so, it looks like a great investment opportunity for you.

Wonder why Laurie Franklin doesn't start cranking out a 100 cues a month and firing them at Ebay ? Or Searing ? Or any other cumaker who had customers that pay 2K plus because they believed in the value of the cue and the CUEMAKER. They would sell them. In the beginning. And screw every previous owner in the process.

As far as for what I have managed to accomplish in life....never been anywhere, never done much.

But one thing I am proud of not doing, is being the shill for a crooked con man to screw an entire industry and many of my friends and colleagues. On top of which if he starts to wholesale cues to the public through Ebay he will screw anyone who bought one of his cues at retail.

Just because a guy could play, he does not get a pass for acting like a jerk.

I have no problem with anyone trying to make a living. Except when that living is at the expense of people who trust you. People like fans and customers.
 
He is just riding on his success. He should make his business now while he is still strong. A lot of artists died whithout having anything, even the great Rembrandt. If I am Sigel, I will do the same. But I was wondering, when was this vote of the greatest living legend happened? I consider Reyes as way way better than Sigel.
 
catscradle said:
It would be nice if pool player's made enough money so the greats could retire when their time is up and just kind of hang around like great figures in other arenas.
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JAM said:
Your opinion stinks, but that's just what it is, an opinion. Thankfully, not all folks feel the way you do.
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So you think that it would not be nice if pool players made enough money ? Colour me confused.

Dave
 
JCIN said:
First of all. I post nothing on an internet forum, this or any other , that I would not say to the persons face.

As far as " Maybe you can elaborate on which part of what he wrote isn't true"

I will start with these two snippets.

"What you may not know is that I am also an artist and creator of the finest pool cues ever made."

Let's see....Boti...Bushka...Franklin...DPK...and oh yeah Sigel. Come on man you can't be serious.

Exhibit #2 "...it's a one of a kind collectors item that will increase in value year after year. "

I think the owners who paid over $2000 for his cues when he first started will probably find this statement to be false. If you don't think so, it looks like a great investment opportunity for you.

Wonder why Laurie Franklin doesn't start cranking out a 100 cues a month and firing them at Ebay ? Or Searing ? Or any other cumaker who had customers that pay 2K plus because they believed in the value of the cue and the CUEMAKER. They would sell them. In the beginning. And screw every previous owner in the process.

As far as for what I have managed to accomplish in life....never been anywhere, never done much.

But one thing I am proud of not doing, is being the shill for a crooked con man to screw an entire industry and many of my friends and colleagues. On top of which if he starts to wholesale cues to the public through Ebay he will screw anyone who bought one of his cues at retail.

Just because a guy could play, he does not get a pass for acting like a jerk.

I have no problem with anyone trying to make a living. Except when that living is at the expense of people who trust you. People like fans and customers.
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and to JCIN, I say TAP TAP TAP! Every bit is true...Sigel has, on many occasions, walked around the trade show floor, "sampling" designs that others have produced, and boldly stating "I can do that" (this is not hearsay...I've heard him say it myself, and heard other cuemakers talking about him in that vein). LOL:rolleyes: Fortunately he's never been able to duplicate any of my cuemaker's designs, as they are far too complex for him to rip off. After KT 'raffled off' Sigel's first cues on fleabay, for a few hundred dollars apiece (after Mike catagorically stating that NO cue of his would EVER be sold for less than $3K...LOL:rolleyes: ), it killed Sigel's chances, imo, of getting top dollar for his cues...even if they were ever worth it!

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
 
DaveK said:
So you think that it would not be nice if pool players made enough money ? Colour me confused.

Dave
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Dave, you should read both posts in their entirety. Maybe you will understand the responses better as opposed to taking them out of context.

JAM
 
Charlie Edwards said:
The man is just trying to make a living. I don't see anything wrong with that.
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CE,
There IS nothing wrong with trying to make a living. There is definitely something wrong with misrepresenting your product (something Mike and KT have in common).

Oddly enough, Mike did NOT misrepresent his own accomplishments on the table - he was a stud. It is definitely a stretch to extend that description to his cuemaking, though.

I am in agreement with JCIN; I like truth in advertising.
 
"Pimping"

Folks,

I think that some of you are getting excited about a single word, one much abused in today's world. Joe DiMaggio signed and sold thousands of baseballs in retirement, pimping himself. Every sponsored driver, rider, or player in any sport is pimping themselves. Those signing endorsement deals are pimping themselves. Most of us when we are promoting ourselves or our business are pimping ourselves. When we are only chasing a sponsor or sending out resumes seeking employment, we are pimping ourselves. Bottom line is that it is a much used and abused term and nothing to get excited about in itself although there are politer ways of saying the same thing.

I went to E-Bay and read Mike's blurb. Most of it was hype and "true lies". His win over Lori was the world championship. Well true, because Mike and KT said so but I don't think it will be remembered as one of the great accomplishments in pool or even Mike's career. His claims about his cues are just that, claims. Such claims are pretty much impossible to prove or disprove.

I see that the current bid on that cue is six hundred dollars. Not great but not dumping at the prices I have seen new cues selling for on E-Bay either. If Mike can hold his prices above six hundred a stick on E-Bay he won't get rich but he is making a buck, more power to him. I suspect most of his usual market has dried up. Buying new sticks for collector value is always a chancy deal just like most other advertised "Collector's Items." You pay your money and take your chances.

Hu
 
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parvus1202 said:
But I was wondering, when was this vote of the greatest living legend happened? I consider Reyes as way way better than Sigel.
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The 'living legend' part is mostly in his own mind (and was largely made up by KT as media b.s.)...it's mind over matter! You know...as long as you don't mind, it doesn't matter!:D Sigel certainly has his accomplishments, as do many other worthy players, in terms of "legend" status. He is, by no means, in a class by himself.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
 
JAM said:
Dave, you should read both posts in their entirety. Maybe you will understand the responses better as opposed to taking them out of context.

JAM
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I think that maybe you took them out of context. I was certainly suprised at your reply.

Dave
 
I am never one to mock another man...and i will not start now..however..I know that people will do what they can to survive. Pride in Poverty is not the greatest feeling in the world...i can tell you..but Look at it from this angle..excluding the IPT thing.. Imagine your Mike S and you truly believe you build a great cue..but its not selling..and your REDUCED to selling you cue on ebay to try and reach a larger market... I dont feel sorry for him..i just see a guy trying to make a living..hell it probally hurt his pride to create that sell on ebay..im sure every cue maker wants to have his cue stand for itself and people flock to them because of the cues reputation as a killer cue..but I guess he did what he had to do..and yeah...maybe he embeleshed a bit to ensure the selling of the cue but thats marketing...we as pool players ..who trully know who and where to find great cues can look past selling points like that... I say Mike do your thing...but ...I will agree with an earlier post...success at the misery of others is not cool..but Karma comes whether you want it or not...my mom used to always say "Becareful what you do in the dark, because it will always come to the light"

just my 2cents
 
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