Mike Sigel pimping himself on Fleabay

I was crusing the internet and put in the search for my friend Mike Sigel. Amoung the 793000 results was this forum thread started by some jerk calling himself JCIN. I read this thread in its entirety and I want to first thank the people that came to Mike Sigels defence. I was and still am a Mike Sigel fan.I did not met him in person until his 50's but I never missed a match on tv that he was in. After cooling off from reading this personal attack on Sigel I went and talked to him. He was in the shop with his 8 year old son Spencer working on this months cues. (He makes roughly 10 a month).

I asked him what he thought about the value of his cues being devalued by selling them on E-bay. He said to look at his earlier cues and the ones for sale today on ebay and you will see that he is making a new line of cues with the same handle materials as his earlier cues but less expensive inlays (more wood inlays like curly maple, cocobolo and bacoty) instead of large amounts of ivory that drove up the price. If you actually went and looked on ebay you would see that he still makes his signature ebony and ivory cues with a price tag of $2500 but he now makes a cue that most can afford with the same quality.

Mike has been building cues for 14 years. He is one of a few people that has reached a level of play that can actually pick up a cue, break with it , run a rack and tell you everything about that cue thats important. I know there is a lot of cue makers out there that make great cues but dont know how good they play until handed to a pro to try out. In his early cue making years Mike would find cues that had a good hit and had a good feel then cut it apart to see why. That is how you learn what makes one cue better than another. Then you take what you learned and add your materials and methods until you perfect it. I have seen many cues he made from start to finish and there is a lot to making a cue hit and play well that you dont see.

We talked about the IPT and his involvement in it. Mike Sigel loves this sport as much as any one and resents having blame placed on him for what happened. He is not an officer or partner in the IPT and had no involvement in distribution of winnings to players. He is in the same boat as everyone else waiting on his check. He was trying to help bring money to the sport for all the players and for a while everyone was happy and made a lot of money. Mike doesnt know what is going to happen with the IPT any more than you do. He is not to blame so you can stop bashing him. I can tell you that he will cash his check when it comes. JCIN you are obviously pissed about something that has nothing to do with you so get over yourself (Mr. never been anywhere , never done much)

Wow, The moderater called him a dimwit. Who the hell are you bruin 70? Another nobody I guess. Scott Lee. What a joke you are. poolknowledge my ass! Your cue makers designs are too complex for Mike Sigel? You dont know crap! Craig Rittel aka manwon Do you think that badmouthing someone one the internet is going to help your business.You are just another wannabee. What goes around comes around Jack Ass

Thanks to Gerry, Jam, Hirun526, IA8Baller Bval Big daddy Jamesroberts Jessiedoll Philw seanjonsean Matt_24 oceanweb for the kind words. Mike thanks you

To answer your question about the vote. In 2001 the BCA took a poll asking the billiard industry, meaning you people, who was the Greatest Player of the 20th Century. Mike was in the top 5. The only one still alive. Making him the person voted the greatest LIVING player of the 20th century. His Stats speak for themselves.

Mike Sigel is not screwing anyone. His cues are priced accordind to inlays and materials. People that bought cues in the $2000 dollar range are worth that and more. If there is a cue of his with a problem he would replace it free. There is a pile of cues in his shop that had slight flaws that he destroyed rather than sell because of his integrity.

I can understand people being pissed at the IPT right now but I personally believe that everyone will get paid and if everyone is patient and stop the bashing the IPT will get back on track.
 
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This thread was about Mike selling his cues on Ebay. Buddy, some people are going to like you and your wares and some people are going to like neither. Big deal man. You don't need to go busting all the chops that are not fond of him or his cues. There are some cuebuilders that I wouldn't own one of their cues just because of the type of person they are. This may be my loss/gain. However, it is my decision.
I will tell you my pet peeve with MS. Who out there sells $2,000 to $3,000 cues with one shaft?
Purdman

PS: I know you cuebuilders would build a cue with one shaft, but how many of you sell high end cues with one shaft? Be honest please!

Oh yeah, you cannot just disassociate yourself from something that you put your heart and soul into promoting and then just back off when everybody who took your advice gets screwed ! There has to be some accountability.
 
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Put yourself in his shoes for a minute. Do you think Mike would do anything to hurt his fellow pool players. Who are you anyway Purdman. Are you a ranked player or a cue maker. Who says Mike is trying to distance himself from this. He is truly in the same boat with the rest of the players. Most of the players Mike talked to is waiting and hoping that the IPT pays the players and secures sponsors so that it can continue wite the tour. Your ranting isnt helping. You want me to believe your doing all thi *****ing because of one shaft. Please! Shafts are less than $200. Mike would give an extra shaft if asked. Many collectors display Mikes cues and never play them.
 
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Put yourself in his shoes for a minute. Do you think Mike would do anything to hurt his fellow pool players. Who are you anyway Purdman. Are you a ranked player or a cue maker. Who says Mike is trying to distance himself from this. He is truly in the same boat with the rest of the players. Most of the players Mike talked to is waiting and hoping that the IPT pays the players and secures sponsors so that it can continue wite the tour. Your ranting isnt helping. You want me to believe your doing all thi *****ing because of one shaft. Please! Shafts are less than $200. Mike would give an extra shaft if asked. Many collectors display Mikes cues and never play them.
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I believe you are dilusional my friend. I do not believe Mike would give anybody anything. Hell, he wants $20 to sign a cueball!
Purdman

By the way, who are you and what have you done for the game buddy?
 
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Come on guys ,he good let him talk, that is his way, dont listend I rather like the guy he has played well for long time , we dont down grade minn fats, and he was a mouth, i liked him also.let himpat himself on the back, he erned it :D :D :D :D :D
 
I never did like Bill Clinton when he was President, and I know I may be in the minority. However, because he was President of the United States, I have always had, and still do, the greatest respect for the Office of the President, a position which Bill Clinton held. As such, I respect Bill Clinton, but I don't like him personally.

Mike Sigel, like him or not, is an American pool champion, and I'm an American pool enthusiast. His triumphs in the pool world are well documented, and he truly is deserving of a little respect for his life's accomplishments in pocket billiards, regardless of him selling cue sticks on eBay.

The Sigel name alone is pool royalty, American pool royalty, and he's my horse if he never does win another race! ;)

That's my story and I'm sticking with it! :p

JAM
 
In my opinion if Mike Sigel is the best this game can produce. Royalty in JAM's words. Then you can have it.

I stand by everything I said.

Mike B if you are so upset about my opinion of the man feel free to PM me and I will gladly give you my phone number to talk about it. I will also be in Reno in a week for the U.S. Bar Table tourney. I would be more than happy to discuss it with you there, 99% I will be at Hopkins also. I'm not hard to find.

As I said before, just because the guy could play he does not get a pass from me for being an ass. This is from a guy who, as I stated in the original post, was a big fan of Mr. Sigel's when I was a kid 20 years ago.

I really do not understand the mentallity of letting someone get away with repeated bad/shady behavior because they are good at something. I know that is the way of world now but it doesn't mean I have to agree with it.

He wants respect because he's a champion ???? Where was his respect for the current champions and the greastest player of his generation (his name is not EFREM) while he was doing that asinine commentary on the IPT matches ? I was actually embarassed for the man.

But hey, I'm not a champion of anything, so what I say must have no merit. Very well.

Where are your trophys Mike B? Or are you a champion by proximity?

Edit to add: Just so I put my money where my mouth is, my name is Justin Collett. I live on the north side of Indianapolis. I play out of Chalkies. Any more questions, feel free to ask.
 
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JCIN said:
In my opinion if Mike Sigel is the best this game can produce. Royalty in JAM's words. Then you can have it.

I stand by everything I said.

Mike B if you are so upset about my opinion of the man feel free to PM me and I will gladly give you my phone number to talk about it. I will also be in Reno in a week for the U.S. Bar Table tourney. I would be more than happy to discuss it with you there, 99% I will be at Hopkins also. I'm not hard to find.

As I said before, just because the guy could play he does not get a pass from me for being an ass. This is from a guy who, as I stated in the original post, was a big fan of Mr. Sigel's when I was a kid 20 years ago.

I really do not understand the mentallity of letting someone get away with repeated bad/shady behavior because they are good at something. I know that is the way of world now but it doesn't mean I have to agree with it.

He wants respect because he's a champion ???? Where was his respect for the current champions and the greastest player of his generation (his name is not EFREM) while he was doing that asinine commentary on the IPT matches ? I was actually embarassed for the man.

But hey, I'm not a champion of anything, so what I say must have no merit. Very well.

Where are your trophys Mike B? Or are you a champion by proximity?

Edit to add: Just so I put my money where my mouth is, my name is Justin Collett. I live on the north side of Indianapolis. I play out of Chalkies. Any more questions, feel free to ask.
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You noticed that too huh? I hate when people blatantly, repeatedly mispronounce names. It is not only annoying, but disrespectful.

"Just so I put my money where my mouth is, my name is Justin Collett. I live on the north side of Indianapolis. I play out of Chalkies. Any more questions, feel free to ask"

That is awesome!

Mike Sigel IS a legend of our sport, but he also is capable of doing things for the sole purpose of representation and cash. That being said, yes he sells himself of Fleabay.
 
I am absolutely disgusted with the comments made about EBAY! I am a seller on said site and always make sure the service I give is nothing less than 100% acceptable to the customers who have bought from me.

Now as for mike selling his cues on ebay, give the guy a break everyone has to make money somehow and this is how he chooses to make his so for god sake stop with the *****ing.
 
there is two types of people in this world ........ there is people that talk about ....... and there is people that do it.......



Mike Sigel "did" it.... He is and will always be a world champion if he
never hits another ball.


Like him or not in his time he was one of the best to ever play the game.




And as for him selling his cues on Ebay so what, there is alot of things in life you dont have to like, and if you or feel its wrong thats your opinion.



Learn to build cue's yourself and compete in the billiard industry.




refer back to the top.....
there's alot of people on here that talk. this forum message board should be used to help people but instead it is a place where people come to kick you in the mouth, run some one in the ground until its insane.
 
MikeB said:
I was crusing the internet and put in the search for my friend Mike Sigel. Amoung the 793000 results was this forum thread started by some jerk calling himself JCIN. I read this thread in its entirety and I want to first thank the people that came to Mike Sigels defence. I was and still am a Mike Sigel fan.I did not met him in person until his 50's but I never missed a match on tv that he was in. After cooling off from reading this personal attack on Sigel I went and talked to him. He was in the shop with his 8 year old son Spencer working on this months cues. (He makes roughly 10 a month).

I asked him what he thought about the value of his cues being devalued by selling them on E-bay. He said to look at his earlier cues and the ones for sale today on ebay and you will see that he is making a new line of cues with the same handle materials as his earlier cues but less expensive inlays (more wood inlays like curly maple, cocobolo and bacoty) instead of large amounts of ivory that drove up the price. If you actually went and looked on ebay you would see that he still makes his signature ebony and ivory cues with a price tag of $2500 but he now makes a cue that most can afford with the same quality.

Mike has been building cues for 14 years. He is one of a few people that has reached a level of play that can actually pick up a cue, break with it , run a rack and tell you everything about that cue thats important. I know there is a lot of cue makers out there that make great cues but dont know how good they play until handed to a pro to try out. In his early cue making years Mike would find cues that had a good hit and had a good feel then cut it apart to see why. That is how you learn what makes one cue better than another. Then you take what you learned and add your materials and methods until you perfect it. I have seen many cues he made from start to finish and there is a lot to making a cue hit and play well that you dont see.

We talked about the IPT and his involvement in it. Mike Sigel loves this sport as much as any one and resents having blame placed on him for what happened. He is not an officer or partner in the IPT and had no involvement in distribution of winnings to players. He is in the same boat as everyone else waiting on his check. He was trying to help bring money to the sport for all the players and for a while everyone was happy and made a lot of money. Mike doesnt know what is going to happen with the IPT any more than you do. He is not to blame so you can stop bashing him. I can tell you that he will cash his check when it comes. JCIN you are obviously pissed about something that has nothing to do with you so get over yourself (Mr. never been anywhere , never done much)

Wow, The moderater called him a dimwit. Who the hell are you bruin 70? Another nobody I guess. Scott Lee. What a joke you are. poolknowledge my ass! Your cue makers designs are too complex for Mike Sigel? You dont know crap! Craig Rittel aka manwon Do you think that badmouthing someone one the internet is going to help your business.You are just another wannabee. What goes around comes around Jack Ass

Thanks to Gerry, Jam, Hirun526, IA8Baller Bval Big daddy Jamesroberts Jessiedoll Philw seanjonsean Matt_24 oceanweb for the kind words. Mike thanks you

To answer your question about the vote. In 2001 the BCA took a poll asking the billiard industry, meaning you people, who was the Greatest Player of the 20th Century. Mike was in the top 5. The only one still alive. Making him the person voted the greatest LIVING player of the 20th century. His Stats speak for themselves.

Mike Sigel is not screwing anyone. His cues are priced accordind to inlays and materials. People that bought cues in the $2000 dollar range are worth that and more. If there is a cue of his with a problem he would replace it free. There is a pile of cues in his shop that had slight flaws that he destroyed rather than sell because of his integrity.

I can understand people being pissed at the IPT right now but I personally believe that everyone will get paid and if everyone is patient and stop the bashing the IPT will get back on track.
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Sweet Heart, you are entitled to your opinion, however you had better hope that Mike and kevin do not come to a fast stop, or I think your nose will be stuck in some ones a$$:eek: .

My statements have nothing to do with promoting my business, if you bother to read my posts you would know this, I do not PIMP my services as a cue repairman, the merchandise I sell at my business, or my business in general to the forum membership. :confused:

I am entitled to, and I do have an opinion on this subject which I have stated. If you want to promote a defunct organization, and the guiding light of that organization(Mike Sigel) be may guest. However, do not attempt to blow smoke up my butt.;)

As fas as being a Wanabe, I am by no means that. I have never wanted to be anything more than I already am, of this I am very proud, I say what I think, I mean what I say, and I do not kiss anyones a$$, I would doubt you could say the same thing!!!!!!!;)

Last of all, I am not unreasonable, and I think that if Mike Sigel really had nothing to do with this organization other than support, and if he had not been paid like all the individuals involved he would step up and clear this all up himself. No one needs you to make blank statements about how you talked to him, this second hand information is nothing more than your opinion.

By the way, Sweet Heart, you have a great day, and get some knee pads, I think that you are in a position to need them. Again, be careful if Mike or Kevin come to a quick stop you will have a $hit eating grin!!!!!:D
 
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You obviously dont get it. You put your company name on your post as if it will add credability to what you say. It doesnt. All Mike Sigel did was put money in players pockets. The orlando tournament purse was $1250000.00 payed out. A record. Then the next tournament 2million payed out. another record. Hollman won and collected $350000.00 another record. So far 1 million of the 3 million has been paid out. The other 2 million will be paid out in installments. More money than this sport has ever seen. The IPT is the best thing this sport has ever seen! Over 4 million paid out in less than one year mostly out of KT's pocket. Now its time for the players and the fans to support each other and help promote the sport. NOT BASH IT. If you dont have anything good to say about the sport or the players then SHUT UP. Them forums are here to share info about the sport that we all love. Players need sponsors and organization like the IPT to make a living. KT could just pull the plug and file bankruptsy but has not. He pays $100000.00 or more a month to keep it alive. And people like you are that knows nothing about what is going on talks crap. You sound like you want the IPT to fail. Well I hope your customers read this and quit coming to your business.
 
That is some good Kool-Aid down in Florida.

I love how anyone who questions the impeccable reputation of KT, even now, is a hater of the sport.

Whatever :rolleyes:
 
This guy seems like a hard working moron to me. Hustles up what he can and sucks the life out of his own name.
Okay, we get it, you were a world class player, one of the best - but all of that doesn't impress me unless you also show characteristics of a stand up human-being as well. Can't any of these players show a little class and modesty?... That sales pitch actually turns me off, I don't remember it verbatim, but it was something like this; "I'M THE BEST EVER... AND NOT ONLY AM I THE GREATEST POOL MIND I AM ALSO AN AMAZINGLY TALENTED ARTIST (THE BEST, ACTUALLY). I MAKE THE BEST CUES EVER! I'M THE BEST AT EVERYTHING, YOU'D BETTER BUY MY STUFF NOW BEFORE EVERYONE ELSE DOES BECAUSE I'M THE CLOSEST THING TO GOD ON EARTH!"...
SHUT UP MAN!!!... you played good, but Efren plays better now then you ever did, and he doesn't go around telling the whole world that he's so great - he just DOES IT, and in interviews he's modest "My opponent played great, I just got lucky"..

I give the guy some respect for the talent he had, and all that - but outside of his former game, I could really care less about 'em.
 
MikeB said:
I was crusing the internet and put in the search for my friend Mike Sigel.,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Wow, The moderater called him a dimwit. Who the hell are you bruin 70? Another nobody I guess. Scott Lee. What a joke .
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any qmaker sacrafices the integral value of his cues when he decides to put them up on ebay = a classic definition of dimwit. this is a non thinking short term bandaid solution to any fiscal issues sigel may or may not be experiencing. and if he has NO monetary worries, the move is dumber still. add to that my distaste for celebrity jacking up prices on their goods because of their name in the first place.

and are you saying i'm a nobody because i haven't won any pool titles(as if that were some criteria for making good cues!!!) or because you think i don't know what i'm talking about re: pricing/valuation?(there are at least a few on this board who know my occupation).
 
MikeB said:
You obviously dont get it. You put your company name on your post as if it will add credability to what you say. It doesnt. All Mike Sigel did was put money in players pockets. The orlando tournament purse was $1250000.00 payed out. A record. Then the next tournament 2million payed out. another record. Hollman won and collected $350000.00 another record. So far 1 million of the 3 million has been paid out. The other 2 million will be paid out in installments. More money than this sport has ever seen. The IPT is the best thing this sport has ever seen! Over 4 million paid out in less than one year mostly out of KT's pocket. Now its time for the players and the fans to support each other and help promote the sport. NOT BASH IT. If you dont have anything good to say about the sport or the players then SHUT UP. Them forums are here to share info about the sport that we all love. Players need sponsors and organization like the IPT to make a living. KT could just pull the plug and file bankruptsy but has not. He pays $100000.00 or more a month to keep it alive. And people like you are that knows nothing about what is going on talks crap. You sound like you want the IPT to fail. Well I hope your customers read this and quit coming to your business.
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Mike, you changed Sweet Heart!!!!:confused: , in you last post you are giving every one second hand information about Mike Sigel this, and Mike Sigel that.

Now your standing up for KT, WHO ARE YOU, Mike B or are you really Mike Sigel. Either way it matters not baby!!! because you are nothing but voice on the INTERNET, and you can hide behind your screen name (Mike B), however, I suspect that this is not new to you, most likely you have been hiding all your life.

I am really tired of all the drama queens who say they have talked to everyone, and that they have all the answers. The only people who could add any validity to this post and also answer many un-answered questions would be Mike Sigel and KT, so why don't you just crawl back under the rock where you belong.
I put my Company name along with my posts because I say what I mean, and also because I am not afraid to say it, unlike you Sweet Heart!!!!

By the way, wipe that BROWN Substance off your nose, I suspect that someone must have come to a sudden stop:eek: :eek: !!!!! I warned you about that in my last post:D
 
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Scott Lee said:
The 'living legend' part is mostly in his own mind (and was largely made up by KT as media b.s.)...it's mind over matter! You know...as long as you don't mind, it doesn't matter!:D Sigel certainly has his accomplishments, as do many other worthy players, in terms of "legend" status. He is, by no means, in a class by himself.

Scott Lee
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It seems very naive to claim this about Sigel. He was undoubtedly one of the greatest ever. I think he won something like 90% of the time he made the finals. When he was just a kid he could run over 300 balls in straight pool, and he's definitely one of the greatest straight pool players ever. Actually he beat Reyes more often than Reyes beat him when they met (though Reyes is the better all-around player). Don't underestimate the man just because you don't like him.

Also, you cannot blame him for the IPT. He believed in it just like tons of other people but he wasn't responsible for the collapse. I think it's clear that he really wanted it to succeed.
 
Wish I had just an inch of Sigel's talent! Greatest player in his day retired to cue making and sold out for his first 5 years. Pretty amazing. And doing something he loves. It was his gift from the great man above and he knows it.
Why not capitlaize on your name smart move I think! Best of luck to the man! He will always have a place in pool like to or not!
 
I saw Sigel today playing straight pool and he said he hadn't talked to KT in 3 months (He was @ Clicks in Orlando where he practices when he does play anymore).

Other than that he has been pretty quiet since Reno :)
 
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