MikeJanis Banned???? Please forgive me I have not been on in a while.

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SUPERSTAR said:
Need i say more?:D :D
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I don't know what your problem with Mike is, but Terrie is a SWEETHEART! The only thing you can accuse her of is standing up for her husband, and YES it is her posting. TAR guys, go off on Mike if you wish, but Terrie has been great to both me and my wife in the past. I expect more of you. No one expects anything from Superstar. I mean NOBODY.
 
muttley76 said:
I don't know what your problem with Mike is, but Terrie is a SWEETHEART! The only thing you can accuse her of is standing up for her husband, and YES it is her posting. TAR guys, go off on Mike if you wish, but Terrie has been great to both me and my wife in the past. I expect more of you. No one expects anything from Superstar. I mean NOBODY.
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Did i actually name mike with the picture?

No.

Did i actually name his wife in the picture?

No.

Yet you assume that it is directed at them, when i do not have a problem with either of them.

Only thing i said before is.
A) it's obvious that someone had an agenda in becoming signature literate at warp speed.
B) the odds of Mike having an alias ready to go is probably a high possibility. Given his nature to advertise, i wouldn't be surprised if he didn't use the alias to pump his threads up, or say something positive about his productions. For all i know it could be YOU.

Take the picture for what it's worth.
A BREAK from the normal jargon of this thread.


Man, You need to lighten up.

Just apply the picture to whoever is annoying you in the thread, and laugh. Or if the image in your mind is too gross, then barf. I don't really care.

If that happens to be me, then i will gladly accept the honor of the Grand Pu Bah of Buttplugs if that is what you want.

Some people are just so sensitive.

BUTTPLUGS FOR EVERYONE!
 
muttley76 said:
I don't know what your problem with Mike is, but Terrie is a SWEETHEART! The only thing you can accuse her of is standing up for her husband, and YES it is her posting. TAR guys, go off on Mike if you wish, but Terrie has been great to both me and my wife in the past. I expect more of you. No one expects anything from Superstar. I mean NOBODY.
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My only problem with Mike is that he is trying to hurt a friend of mine.

Mike has done much for pool in this country and I can not understand why he continues to focus on the negative. I could come on here and spill all kinds of stories about how jacked up certain people are but I do not because it serves no purpose other than to divide an already fractured industry. Believe me I have a few.

I just find it interesting that in all the other threads we have heard little if anything from the account of Terrie and all of a sudden after the ban here it is. Mike has a track record of doing whatever he feels he has to to make a point. I do not feel that the possibility of him using his wife's account is out of the question. I have no beef with Terrie Janis and never said I did so please do not paint this like I am attacking her because I am not.

I could care less about how Mike runs or promotes his events but when he starts spewing crap about one of the best guys in the industry I get a little pissed. If standing up for a friend upsets some TAR customers it is regrettable but something I am willing to deal with. Hopefully all of this nonsense will go away and everyone can go about their business.
 
I just saw this episode on Jeopardy.

where did the word billiards come from? who is Mike Janis

what do you think when you hear pool table? who is Mike Janis

who started the BCA? who is Mike Janis

#1 Tournament Promoter world wide? who is Mike Janis

tour Director that wants all Tours to die? who is Mike Janis

only man that thinks he is the GOD of all pool/tours? who is Mike Janis

gets mad at all tour directors? who is Mike Janis

inventor of all tour rules and formats? who is Mike Janis

really shows how bad he can act in public? who is Mike Janis
 

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JCIN said:
My only problem with Mike is that he is trying to hurt a friend of mine.

Mike has done much for pool in this country and I can not understand why he continues to focus on the negative. I could come on here and spill all kinds of stories about how jacked up certain people are but I do not because it serves no purpose other than to divide an already fractured industry. Believe me I have a few.

I just find it interesting that in all the other threads we have heard little if anything from the account of Terrie and all of a sudden after the ban here it is. Mike has a track record of doing whatever he feels he has to to make a point. I do not feel that the possibility of him using his wife's account is out of the question. I have no beef with Terrie Janis and never said I did so please do not paint this like I am attacking her because I am not.

I could care less about how Mike runs or promotes his events but when he starts spewing crap about one of the best guys in the industry I get a little pissed. If standing up for a friend upsets some TAR customers it is regrettable but something I am willing to deal with. Hopefully all of this nonsense will go away and everyone can go about their business.
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I understand your position, but I know for a fact that was Terrie. I just hate to see her getting flayed, when she has treated myself and my wife so well. I do understand the rest, and I am a TAR customer and will continue to be one. You guys are, in my opinion, the only real future for this sport that I can figure. Keep up the good work at the open, and sorry, but I had to say something on Terrie's behalf. Matt
 
All this is upsetting to me as I felt and still feel that MJ is the benchmark that all the others were trying to follow in holding tours and the like. He has been a godsend to cuesports. I feel like someone punched me in the belly about all this. I only hope everyone will stop this and let the Janis' work out what they want to do with their tour. He was over the top with some of his practices, but he did put everything he has on the line to promote pool and I feel like the pressure of that may have contributed somewhat to his behavior these last couple of months.

Lighten up people... you should be so lucky to have your wife go public for you. She jumped in for her mate. I admire that loyality. Until you put all you have into something, you should withhold judgement, as if a human should judge another human.

Dwight
 
Mike is a tireless promoter and he probably works as hard or harder than any other TD in the biz. I don't always agree with the way that he chooses to promote his events because he sometimes crosses the line and talks trash about other TD's and makes a tremendous effort to hamper their livelihood. These are the only things I have issues with concerning Mike and if he would refrain from the shit-slinging he would likely garner more support and catch a lot less flack.

I am in a precarious situation as I am good buddies with someone that Mike has chosen to show hostility toward. I wish that everyone could get along and work together but I am not naive enough to think this will happen soon if ever. Hopefully after this little vacation Mike can realize that he has many supporters but when he chooses to viciously attack other TD's and industry contributors he will have his fair share of detractors as well.
 
Ktown D said:
Mike is a tireless promoter and he probably works as hard or harder than any other TD in the biz. I don't always agree with the way that he chooses to promote his events because he sometimes crosses the line and talks trash about other TD's and makes a tremendous effort to hamper their livelihood. These are the only things I have issues with concerning Mike and if he would refrain from the shit-slinging he would likely garner more support and catch a lot less flack.

I am in a precarious situation as I am good buddies with someone that Mike has chosen to show hostility toward. I wish that everyone could get along and work together but I am not naive enough to think this will happen soon if ever. Hopefully after this little vacation Mike can realize that he has many supporters but when he chooses to viciously attack other TD's and industry contributors he will have his fair share of detractors as well.
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Great Post D. I feel the same way. Shannon and I go back since we were kids. I understand both are trying to make a living running these events. I plan on playing as much as possible. All the mud slinging only can alienate players from supporting these events. Actions speak louder than words anyway!
 
I have read many of these posts and too many times I hear the words about Mike attacking other TD's or tours.

The list below is from the AZ front page tours and tournament section which can be found here: http://www.azbilliards.com/2000tours.php

Now other than Mikes issues with Mr. Griffin and Mr. Daulton please show me where he as attacked any of the other 40 outstanding tours or their promoters on this list. I have looked everywhere and have yet to find any.

After going over posts and emails what I have seen the most is Mike trying to make agreements with many of these tours and some of them he even offered to help out with sponsorship and some of the directors he even offered positions to them to direct events when he was hiring directors. I believe Mr. Hanshaw from the Great Lake Tour is still a Viking Tour director along with Mr. Putnam and Mr. Goetlicher as well.

Oh, the only other ones that Mike informed me of is Mr. Kennedy who at one time worked for Mike directing Viking Tour events in the South but even that was not attacking Mr. Kennedy. Even though they split directions Mr. Kennedy and Mike still respect each others work and support each others efforts. Mike not only plays in Mr. Kennedy's events when he can but he still negotiates with Mr. Kennedy so they do not have conflicting event dates whenever possible. There was also something with a tour in NC? that the players say they did not get paid from that Mike also has had issues with.

With that said, I have personally either hand delievered or mailed lists of players contact information and sponsors contacts to other tours so they can also promote our sport through their individual efforts.

If you are going to make accusations stating that Mike attacks other tours you need to do your homework and realize that he has helped, worked with and promoted other tours that are direct competitors without any compensation or reward for his efforts all in the name of promoting our sport. And as Mike has said previously, he does not "attack" or say anything bad about tours or directors that are not bad for the sport. Iformation like this coming from a person that has worked in this industry for almost 2 decades should be more valuable to you.


Pro Tours
Eurotour
Guinness 9-Ball
International Pool Tour
Seminole Pro Tour
UPA Tour
USBA
WPBA

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League Systems
14and1.com
ACS
APA
Playbca.com

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Other Tours
ACS/Pechauer AA Tour
ATS
AWBT
Bay Area Amateur
Blaze 9-Ball
Canadian 30K
Canadian 9-Ball
Canadian Women's
Carolina Ladies Tour
Desert Classic Tour
East Coast Tour
Fast Eddie's
Gateway Amateur Tour
Great Lakes Tour
Great Southern Billiard
OB Cues Ladies
Jacoby Carolina Tour
Joss Northeast
JPNEWT
KBP Florida Amateur
KF Cues 9-Ball Tour
Ladies Spirit Tour
Michigan Players Tour
Midwest 9-Ball Tour
NCS
New England A/B
New England Women's
NWPA
Predator 9-Ball
SE Open
Tiger Pool Tour
Viking Tour
WWR

Independent Events
 
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Poolplaya9 said:
I think what got him was that he wants to knowingly break the forum rules and spam the forums relentlessly, but when he got called on it by some posters as well as the mod's, he tried to put the blame on everything and everybody but himself. There may have also been some private communication between him and the mod's that we are not aware of. The name calling he did probably didn't help either.
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*The above lines sum that up nicely*
Thanks Poolplaya9
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I cannot believe the disrespect that is going on in this thread, the name calling, accusations and the cheap pop-shots. Someone referred to middle-school being let out, that sounds about right. This thread is in bad taste. I think everyone should just let it go.

The moderators have been given certain guidelines to go by to keep things civil and have the power to make choices in the best interest of AZBilliards.com.

Mike J. was given several opportunities and private emails and after careful thought and consideration he was banned. This consideration was not taken lightly. He may have contributions to pool and may be doing some good but the fact is he was "misusing" this site for personal gain and retaliation; just as I see some of you are using this now.

This is not his site. This is Michael Howerton's site, always has been and will be. Michael does not ban people frivolously, he always keeps an open mind and tries to see all points of view. His decisions are final.

For those people who are above and beyond rules you are welcome to start your own website and treat anyone the way you want and promote whatever you would like. I'd also like you to put forth the effort Michael has and pay the price for years of collecting data, sacrificing time and time again to create the world's number one Billiard website.

Now.... let's talk pool.:cool:
 
Terrie Janis said:
I have read many of these posts and too many times I hear the words about Mike attacking other TD's or tours.



Now other than Mikes issues with Mr. Griffin and Mr. Daulton please show me where he as attacked any of the other 40 outstanding tours or their promoters on this list. I have looked everywhere and have yet to find any.

I was only referring to Shannon. Shannon is a friend of mine for over 20 years. I didn't say Mike's a bad person or everything he has done is bad.
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mantis99 said:
I don't get it. Everyone complains about poor representation for pool players, and no real tour, yet when someone puts forth a huge effort to improve the standing of pool, he gets nothing but criticism here. So what if Mike advertises pool events and a tour on a pool website. He is trying to find any good avenue to get pool going. I would think that would get him support, not ridicule. I have no idea why he was banned, and that is not what I am talking about, it is the fact that people are complaining that he advertises his tour on here.
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You know, I don't have the luxury of getting out to play in tournaments, anymore. But, I still know a few other folks who do. Sometimes, I see something they might be interested in and I can point them toward it. I appreciate all the info that gets posted about the different events. I'm not so sure I'd have half a clue about what's going on, if it wasn't for what's posted in this forum. So surely, that has nothing to do with his getting banned.

By the way, I almost got to go to one of the events this month, finally. Had a birthday party interfere. Can't miss someone's first birthday, when that someone is your grandchild!
 
Terrie Janis said:
....With that said, I have personally either hand delievered or mailed lists of players contact information and sponsors contacts to other tours so they can also promote our sport through their individual efforts.....
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Now, THAT is something I disagree with. I believe people's information should not be shared, unless they ask for it to be shared. Anything else constitutes a betrayal of their trust. It should be clearly stated in a signed contract AND verbally pointed out (BEFORE they sign) that their information will be shared with others. I'm sure most folks probably wouldn't care, but wow! A lot could happen to that info and who would get the blame for it?
 
Terrie, since you are so close to the subject ( Mike ) then you know the precise details on why Mike banned him.

You also know that despite all efforts, he manages to get sideways with people who are doing thier best to be patient with him and regardless of what he thinks, are acting in his best interest.

That said, you should be cautious when it comes to acting as a liason for him during his ban.

I would not like to see you caught in the crossfire and end up a casualty of his ban via posting for him during his break.
 
Mr. Wilson said:
Terrie, since you are so close to the subject ( Mike ) then you know the precise details on why Mike banned him.

You also know that despite all efforts, he manages to get sideways with people who are doing thier best to be patient with him and regardless of what he thinks, are acting in his best interest.

That said, you should be cautious when it comes to acting as a liason for him during his ban.

I would not like to see you caught in the crossfire and end up a casualty of his ban via posting for him during his break.
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Mr. Wilson, every post on here under my name is my post, I assure you I am an educated person and I have the ability to be objective and think for myself--If you notice I did not post until Mark Griffin made his post. At which time I felt compelled to respond. I can also assure you if you were to ask anybody that has spoken to me in the past whether it has been at a tournament or at the trade show I have not kept my personal opinion a secret.
 
Terrie Janis said:
Mr. Wilson, every post on here under my name is my post, I assure you I am an educated person and I have the ability to be objective and think for myself--If you notice I did not post until Mark Griffin made his post. At which time I felt compelled to respond. I can also assure you if you were to ask anybody that has spoken to me in the past whether it has been at a tournament or at the trade show I have not kept my personal opinion a secret.
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Good points, except for the fact that you never felt the need to share your opinions on here until Mike was no longer able to give his. Now all of the sudden you feel inclined to share your (his) opinions now that he has "lost his voice". Even if he is not dictating to you what to say, you are speaking for him, otherwise you would have been posting here all along.
 
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