$Million Dollar Shootout Turnout and Schedule

[bandido]

Seems to be a lot of suggestions about how to get more people to play in the event, I think a lot of people missed the part about how to qualify? You can hold any type of qualifier you want as long as there is enough money to pay for the entry, flip coins, play poker, or play pool, you can do what ever you want, what I am wondering is? why was none of this done? There was plenty of time?

Look, I know probably 10 people who think they could go really far possibly win the WSOP, I don't know 1 person who thinks they could make it to the top 30 of the shoot out, why are we comparing the two?

Pool is much harder and there is really no luck involved in a longer race.

Are there going to be DVD'S of this tournament and the matches? I would love to buy some when they come out.

Nate.

I went to their website, wrote them about doing qualifiers here in the Philippines but got no response. What I did get was an e-mail asking for results. Wow, must have went haywire somewhere in the communication department.

The BMPAP definiely wants to support this but clear communication is important because aside from the entry fee of US$5k we also need to find a way to come up with other expenses for the qulaifier. We also need enough time to apply for a travel visa should the qualifier not have one yet.

 

[JB Cases]

I went to their website, wrote them about doing qualifiers here in the Philippines but got no response. What I did get was an e-mail asking for results. Wow, must have went haywire somewhere in the communication department.

The BMPAP definiely wants to support this but clear communication is important because aside from the entry fee of US$5k we also need to find a way to come up with other expenses for the qulaifier. We also need enough time to apply for a travel visa should the qualifier not have one yet.

Well I am sure that in this coming year the BMPAP will be sure to find a way to communicate with all promoters who offer it's professional players a way to increase their incomes. I am sure that in the Phillipines there are hundreds of players who want to try and get in this tournament and would jump at the chance to do so through low-buy in tournaments.

The beauty of this is that you don't even have to contact the Hopkins about holding satellites for this event - just do it and send in the entry fees.

 

[thomba02]

Well I am sure that in this coming year the BMPAP will be sure to find a way to communicate with all promoters who offer it's professional players a way to increase their incomes. I am sure that in the Phillipines there are hundreds of players who want to try and get in this tournament and would jump at the chance to do so through low-buy in tournaments.

The beauty of this is that you don't even have to contact the Hopkins about holding satellites for this event - just do it and send in the entry fees.

word :thumbup: :thumbup:

 

[JB Cases]

PS. There are no qualifiers for the Million Dollar Shootout. There are unlimited spots in the MDS and anyone with $5000 can play.

I would benefit us all to use poker's terminology when refering to any tournaments/competitions as satellite events since they technically orbit the main event and provide multiple unstructured ways into it.

I plan to put someone in through a weekly ten dollar entry fee tournament. And someone will get in through a $25 entry fee monthly series that I will do. And if we get enough interest then maybe a $50 or $100 entry fee tournament. I might start a nine ball league based on the format of the MDS and charge by the game with the winner getting a spot. I am overflowing with ideas.

 

[bandido]

Well I am sure that in this coming year the BMPAP will be sure to find a way to communicate with all promoters who offer it's professional players a way to increase their incomes. I am sure that in the Phillipines there are hundreds of players who want to try and get in this tournament and would jump at the chance to do so through low-buy in tournaments.

The beauty of this is that you don't even have to contact the Hopkins about holding satellites for this event - just do it and send in the entry fees.

They did have "holding qualifiers" in their site but what you say is really how it should be. There just are some complications like invitations from the promoter for visa application.

 

[akaTrigger]

no the pay out schedual dosent lend it self to savers, winning it is only 4 to 1 on the $$$, so even a saver for the entry fee is 25% of the wimmer purse-it makes no sence, and who is gonna dump for, say $1000 when they were staked for $5000. It makes no sence. Unless i'm missing something cause i'm sleepy. I also have first hand knowlege about alot of these guys I wont go into, and i'm positive there are no savers. There are alot less savers than you might think.

I was referring to the last round. Someone could make a saver to the guy he's playing in the last round who wont have a chance to make the top 4 anyway. You could make a saver for even $500 and that's more than the $1,000 they would get. I'm obviously not saying it's going on, I'm just wondering if that crossed anyone else's mind that it might happen.

 

[Marop]

I was referring to the last round. Someone could make a saver to the guy he's playing in the last round who wont have a chance to make the top 4 anyway. You could make a saver for even $500 and that's more than the $1,000 they would get. I'm obviously not saying it's going on, I'm just wondering if that crossed anyone else's mind that it might happen.

It did cross my mind and I it probably did happen.

 

[Roy Steffensen]

Interesting thoughts AKAtrigger. It didn't even cross my mind, but it's definitely something that should be looked into.

Perhaps the payout's for next year should be per rack won, instead of what place you finish. IPT did change their payouts because last-round matches that didn't mean something for one or both of the players, and changed it to $$ per match won.

 

[allen_jr]

Allen Jr why did you guys bring TAR in to cover your event and not work with them to at least put the marquee matchups on the feature table? Seems like such an easy thing to help support TAR who are there to also support your tournament.

Not sure about this, I will have to check with the tournamet director about what happened.. i thought we were working with them.... I do know that he tried to mix up table assignments so that players didn't get too familiar with any 1 certain table

 

[allen_jr]

They did have "holding qualifiers" in their site but what you say is really how it should be. There just are some complications like invitations from the promoter for visa application.

Please explain to me exactly what International players need. Someone emailed me asking for an "invitation letter", so I emailed him a pdf file of a letter on our letterhead... i even posted a generic letter on our site that any international player could download on their own:

http://www.milliondollar9ball.com/players.html

I am not sure if it was you I was speaking with or not, but they wrote back and asked for it again and again, but didnt explain what was wrong or what they wanted. Unfortunately, they didnt speak english real well, and I dont speak any other language

Anyhow, I try to do what I can to help...

 

[allen_jr]

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[bandido]

Please explain to me exactly what International players need. Someone emailed me asking for an "invitation letter", so I emailed him a pdf file of a letter on our letterhead... i even posted a generic letter on our site that any international player could download on their own:

http://www.milliondollar9ball.com/players.html

I am not sure if it was you I was speaking with or not, but they wrote back and asked for it again and again, but didnt explain what was wrong or what they wanted. Unfortunately, they didnt speak english real well, and I dont speak any other language

Anyhow, I try to do what I can to help...

Sorry, I never even got to the invitation letter. We (Perry, Putch, Jo, Verna and myself) handle initiating, meaning planning to conception to initial operations (Founders' Circle responsibility), of BMPAP projects before delegating it to other members of the operations group then I move on to the next project. I only got to doing the initial inquiry about holding a Qualifier here in the Philippines. I even once did so, way back then, a similar inquiry with the Viking Tour but never got a reply to both inquiries.

It's a little complicated for players outside the US because of US Visa requirements. But everythings workable with the proper support documents.

 

[akaTrigger]

It did cross my mind and I it probably did happen.

I knew I wasn't the only one. Thanks for speaking up, Marop. Just for that, I'll buy you dinner next time I see you. :thumbup:

 

[Marop]

I knew I wasn't the only one. Thanks for speaking up, Marop. Just for that, I'll buy you dinner next time I see you. :thumbup:

No, I'll buy, but you can pick the place...

 

[crosseyedjoe]

Please explain to me exactly what International players need. Someone emailed me asking for an "invitation letter", so I emailed him a pdf file of a letter on our letterhead... i even posted a generic letter on our site that any international player could download on their own:

http://www.milliondollar9ball.com/players.html

I am not sure if it was you I was speaking with or not, but they wrote back and asked for it again and again, but didnt explain what was wrong or what they wanted. Unfortunately, they didnt speak english real well, and I dont speak any other language

Anyhow, I try to do what I can to help...

1. Most countries needs what you call a player's Visa. A document so they can enter USA. It takes about a month to get a US Embassy interview scheduled.
2. Quite a few can come with 5K in their hands; however, a win in a sanctioned qualifier is much better evidence to bring to the US Embassy.
3. The promoter with papers guaranteeing the tournament's credility and the official invitation letter will help during the Visa application interview.

 

[derekdisco]

I knew I wasn't the only one. Thanks for speaking up, Marop. Just for that, I'll buy you dinner next time I see you. :thumbup:

Can I get dinner also? Im always up for a free meal

 

[Perk]

I like the idea of the qualifiers/sats that people talk about. However the 'upper B' players winning these and getting entry into the main event is not gonna happen. Your league players are gonna look to the light at the end of the sats and will not continue to try to qualify.

As with poker sats there will be professionals/Grand Masters that will win these sats. Using the 25.00 mini and 200.00 sat format that someone mentioned: Upper B players/lower A players can win minisats (1 in 8) to the larger sats (1 in 32), but the champs are gonna be there winning the seats. It wont take much to see who will be waiting in the end of these in your local area.

You just cant compare this to poker. If you play alot of pool, you already know the top players in your region. Those players will get the seats and the bulk of them will definately try to do it cheaply which is a good thing, however it wont work with the lower players as some people are stating. I hope it does though.

 

[akaTrigger]

Can I get dinner also? Im always up for a free meal

Nice try, but nope. Sorry. You never know when I might offer dinner again instead of rep... depends on the threads and the posts. :thumbup:

 

[allen_jr]

I like the idea of the qualifiers/sats that people talk about. However the 'upper B' players winning these and getting entry into the main event is not gonna happen. Your league players are gonna look to the light at the end of the sats and will not continue to try to qualify.

As with poker sats there will be professionals/Grand Masters that will win these sats. Using the 25.00 mini and 200.00 sat format that someone mentioned: Upper B players/lower A players can win minisats (1 in 8) to the larger sats (1 in 32), but the champs are gonna be there winning the seats. It wont take much to see who will be waiting in the end of these in your local area.

You just cant compare this to poker. If you play alot of pool, you already know the top players in your region. Those players will get the seats and the bulk of them will definately try to do it cheaply which is a good thing, however it wont work with the lower players as some people are stating. I hope it does though.

one idea is to create a type of league designed to help players earn their way into this event... check out is here:

http://www.milliondollar9ball.com/mdl_league.html

Its not completely ironed out yet, but it is going to happen. And by introducing a handicapped method of earning entry, we may modify the format to a make the main event handicapped as well... players who satellite into the event via league structure events may be given a few games on the wire against the top pros.... just an idea, but I think it will work. OR, satellite winners will play the 1st round or 2 without any pros in the mix, so they can get deeper into the money before coming up against a pro. If the league could satellite (yes, I am using 'satellite' as a verb occasionally, sorry for confusion) 100 players into the event, then pros will definitely ante up $5k to play, since the money from satellite players is like added money (like $5K each). However, in the 25 game matches, how about if the weak league players were given like 5-8 games on the wire (depending on Skill Level)? Now its a challenge for the pro, and a good amateur could win... These are all just open-thought ideas here, this isn't official

Anyhow, I think twists like that will make this event more enticing to everyone. If certain pros don't want to give unknown amateurs some games on the wire in a 25 game match, then they don't have to play. There will be enough amateurs playing to create a nice prize pool.. The $500,000 overlay that satellite winners are providing will justify a pro buying in directly, and I am confident that players who consider themselves top professionals won't back down.

 

[JB Cases]

I like the idea of the qualifiers/sats that people talk about. However the 'upper B' players winning these and getting entry into the main event is not gonna happen. Your league players are gonna look to the light at the end of the sats and will not continue to try to qualify.

As with poker sats there will be professionals/Grand Masters that will win these sats. Using the 25.00 mini and 200.00 sat format that someone mentioned: Upper B players/lower A players can win minisats (1 in 8) to the larger sats (1 in 32), but the champs are gonna be there winning the seats. It wont take much to see who will be waiting in the end of these in your local area.

You just cant compare this to poker. If you play alot of pool, you already know the top players in your region. Those players will get the seats and the bulk of them will definately try to do it cheaply which is a good thing, however it wont work with the lower players as some people are stating. I hope it does though.

Why can't you simply have tournaments that are B player and below? You can have satellites any way, shape or form that you want them to be in.

You can have a B player series of weekly tournaments with the grand prize being a trip to play in the milliion dollar event. And if the WINNER of the event doesn't want to go then they can give their spot to whomever they choose, they can BACK a top player if they want to.

But let's assume that there are no B-player only events. Ok so the top players all win their satellites and that then leaves more spots open to the next level of players.

There are so many ways to structure this that it's only possible to fail if we don't try.