$Million Dollar Shootout Turnout and Schedule

Perhaps we all should try to work out a system where the qualifier also pays for hotel, or that the entryfee covers the both hotel and entry to the tournament. This way Allen Hopkins will do the hotelbooking, but he will guarantee rooms and can perhaps get a kickback-deal with the hotel also...
 
Would anybody be interested in supporting this event by doing what they do everyday, with no additional expense to themselves?
 
If a room gave away 1 $5000 spot next year and had free entry events for 30 weeks or even charge $5, they would make some cash and the tournament would grow. You could play off the top 12 in points with top 4 players seeded. I know vegas leagues get 50+ guys per night at 10-20$ and many are not interested in the trip. Stick out a sign up sheet and get a feel for interest.

Free entry for BCA 5-6
$5 entry for 7-8
$10 entry for 9-12.

Rooms could hold events 3 nights per week and wonder what to do with all the customers. I based entry on players expectations on cashing. For new players the 5-6 rating they will make $1000 just for showing up. That should build interest with new players and friends telling friends etc. These guys will not pay entry to big events cause they know they have no chance.

The 7-8 don't mind spending a little cause they are getting to the point where they think they can shoot really good and can beat the 9-12 guys, but can't. They will spend some cash on big events, but not much. They get beat and go back to their level for a few weeks for more wins.

the 9-12 ranks are beating people in their town/room and would love to play pros to see how the match up and will pay to do so.

I think this would work for next years event or any tour/event.
 
Fatboy said:
I cant find any first day results anywhere on any site
Thanks everyone for your input, I am real busy at the moment, will be back later to address some issues...

just wanted to be sure to mention this again, tourney stats, live feeds, match scores and more shoudl be posted on theactionreport.com. From what I have briefly seen, and heard, they are doing quite an excellent job...

I should mention that on our site too, and as soon as I can I will add that...

be back soon, thanks!
 
just got back

went up there could not play as my backer did not want to put up 5 dimes and win little.
i understand.i lose 1000 going as i have to eat the expenses.
anyway im glad to see what allen is trying its the way to go imho.allen even tried to stake me but i ended up making a odd player so it didnt work out.
thanks allen for trying to help me.
could not play,spent 1000 going,flights were cancelled on way back basically the whole thing sucked for me but im glad we might start raising entry fees. good luck allen keep it up
 
john schmidt said:
went up there could not play as my backer did not want to put up 5 dimes and win little.
i understand.i lose 1000 going as i have to eat the expenses.
anyway im glad to see what allen is trying its the way to go imho.allen even tried to stake me but i ended up making a odd player so it didnt work out.
thanks allen for trying to help me.
could not play,spent 1000 going,flights were cancelled on way back basically the whole thing sucked for me but im glad we might start raising entry fees. good luck allen keep it up

KEep up with the PMA, Schmidty! Maybe next time they lose your cues to top it off!!:eek: :smile:
 
Thanks again for everyone's input... I appreciate everyone's ideas and criticisms. I like hearing good and bad because that way we can learn and adapt where necessary...

that said, I want to address a few things briefly:
1) We do have a plan that will work to get people into this event for less that $100. Some people have hinted at formulas and ideas that are very close to what I have come up with. I can't release all the details right now, but there is a plan. I have already bought some new domain names for it, designed logos, and have the framework laid out... My dad is reviewing some of the numbers and pertinent details, but everyone who has heard about it loves it. It will work, and it has the potential to fill this event with hundreds of players, all satellite-d in for less that $100, or around that.
2) Satellites were created as suggestions for players to bring this event to the local level. You do not need a 200 man field to have a satellite, I don't know where that idea came from. Again, I have been busy, so I have to go back and re-read some posts to fully understand peoples questions. However, what we suggested could go as follows:
>> A poolroom hosts a $25 mini satellite once a week. One out of every eight players wins entry into a $200 satellite. Odd numbers (not odd, just not multiples of 8) of players = payouts for 2nd and 3rd place.
>> Supposing each events gets 16 players, thats 2 winners into a $200 satellite event
>> After 16 weeks there are 32 players who have won a $200 satellite 'entry'... Players can also buy-in directly for $200.
>>Now, there is a 32 man event
>> The winner of this event is in the $1,000,000 Shootout, guaranteed $1000 payout, with the chance to play with World Champions and maybe advance through to round 2

Now, you can add variables, like having this $25 event twice a week, or having a 5 man $5 tournament the night before to win entry into the $25 event. Yes, it takes some work on the local level, but if poolrooms want to make money, then they offer fun and exciting things for players to participate in. Agreed, there is no money in these events for the poolrooom, but they get players in there, spending money on other things... or make it $30, and $5 goes to the house. Whatever works, again - we're providing a framework for what can work.

This won't work everywhere, we know that, but it can work in lots of places. And it isnt limited to $25 events, they could be $50 - and fill twice as fast... the point is, be creative. We are trying to suggest a framework or idea and let people run with it. We provide the final event, but we can't be everywhere to help everyone. Ideally, yeah, we could. Ideally, we could advertise in every city and every magazine every month, but these things are expensive, and unfortunately, we are not rich. We're trying, and we will continue our efforts and make this event huge...
 
Neil said:
I think part of the problem was a fear of another tournament that started good and then fell through. I think people were hesitant and waiting to see what would happen before going all in. That caused nothing to happen, not much of a tournament.

As far as the format goes, I have one problem. Satellites are the way to make it get big. But, just from my thinking, I put up, say, $100 to play in a satellite tournament. Even if I win it, that sat. tourn. is going to cost me , probably around $200 after expenses. So what? I just won a $5,000 entry fee. O.K., now I have the expense of going to V.F. for a week. Assuming I can take vacation time from work, so as not to lose a weeks pay, I still am going to spend $1,000 or very close to it on expenses.

So now, even last place is costing me money if it only pays $1,000. Why bother?? I feel that last place should go up with # of entrants just like the other places go up. Otherwise, there is nothing to shoot for. We all know only a few have the ability to actually get in the real big money.

If you want the masses to participate, there has to be something at the end of the rainbow for them to chase after. Placing high against the worlds best isn't it.

If the Hopkins can get it to where a qualifier from a sat. has a chance to make $4-5K, You will see a lot of qualifiers, IMHO.


The first thing that comes to mind here is that in the WSOP they don't pay every last place. You have to go a couple rounds to get any money.

The next thing is that an entry to the pool event should be looked at as a "golden ticket" of sorts. You don't have to use it - I assume. 1-ticket (paid entry) equals one spot in the tournament, send who you want if you don't want to or can't go. To me it stands to reason that if this thing gets really moving then whoever holds a Paid Spot in this event will be able to sell it if they want to. Since this format takes all comers the spot will never be worth more than $5000 but who wouldn't buy it for 2-3 or 4 thousand? So even if you don't want it you can still make more than the minimum guaranteed $1000.

The last thing that comes to mind is that the experience itself is worth more than money. For a relatively small investment you get to go to the big show, play with the best in the world, and really prove your mettle by being guaranteed to play 150 games.

You can test yourself at the US Open for 10th of the entry fee and about the same amount of expenses. However there you are guaranteed only a minimum of 22 and a maximum of 42 games if you go two and out and lose both sets hill/hill. And in the US Open you won't get back 20% of your entry fee just for showing up. You will have to make 17th place out of 256 players to begin to cover your expenses.

So if you are getting into the qualifiers while doing the math on hwo to break even at LAST place in the big event then maybe you shouldn't be trying to go.

I look at it as starting at last place with nowhere to go but up. I guarantee everyone on this board that if John Barton - B - Low A player NOW - wins a Paid Entry to this event that I will be spending a lot more time practicing, getting lessons, and competing so that I can be sure to go as far as I can in this event.
 
john schmidt said:
went up there could not play as my backer did not want to put up 5 dimes and win little.
i understand.i lose 1000 going as i have to eat the expenses.
anyway im glad to see what allen is trying its the way to go imho.allen even tried to stake me but i ended up making a odd player so it didnt work out.
thanks allen for trying to help me.
could not play,spent 1000 going,flights were cancelled on way back basically the whole thing sucked for me but im glad we might start raising entry fees. good luck allen keep it up

Did you get any action while you were up there?:grin:
 
Cant believe dennis & shane are not on feature table tomorrow. How many viewers will they have now?
 
jasonlaus said:
Cant believe dennis & shane are not on feature table tomorrow. How many viewers will they have now?
I continued to watch the live stream after the chat went down and Chad said they wouldn't budge on the table assignments. When he tried to plead his case about having a PPV going on, he was told that Dennis & Shane would make it to the later rounds so the PPV would get to see them later in the tournament. :speechless:
 
Fatboy said:
but the problem is they have no chance, it aint like poker where you can suck out on the river with 2 outs in the deck, an average B player might win 3 out of 20 games playing SVB, anyone can beat Johnny Chan playing poker by going all-in and sucking out. Its 2 totally different skill sets and the dynamics of pool favors the stronger player alot more than it does in poker.

Great point Fatboy there is not question about it. Pool and Poker are totally different. Way more luck in poker and much more skill in pool. Good post!
 
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