Miscue reason?

measureman

measureman

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Yesterday I miscued badly.
I looked at the tip and saw the miscue spot.
There was no chalk on it and it was shiney.
Was this a case of a bad draw stroke or a glazed tip?
Triangle tip and magic chalk.
I always chalk up before a draw shot.

I made the shot but the cue ball did not draw back.
I needed to draw back about a foot and bounce off the rail to make the next shot that would have won the game!
So drawing back a foot was a pretty easy stroke.
 
It wasn't lack of chalking, and it wasn't bad chalking. Now and then we make a bad stroke, which goes too far outside the cueball, especially for those of us who cue pretty far to the edge of the cue ball.

Then, there is another thing that can get you. When you cue very low, and actually clip the cloth and drop-kick the cue tip into the cue ball. Often results in a miscue. It's the stroke, and we all do it now and then.

All the best,
WW
 
measureman said:
Yesterday I miscued badly.
I looked at the tip and saw the miscue spot.
There was no chalk on it and it was shiney.
Was this a case of a bad draw stroke or a glazed tip?
Triangle tip and magic chalk.
I always chalk up before a draw shot.

I made the shot but the cue ball did not draw back.
I needed to draw back about a foot and bounce off the rail to make the next shot that would have won the game!
So drawing back a foot was a pretty easy stroke.
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Without seeing the tip before and after, and not seeing the stroke in question, there is not enough information to answer the question as to the cause.

The shiny spot could have been the result of the miscue just as easily as it could have been the cause. The stroke while 'easy' or smooth, might have caused the tip to hit outside its miscue limit etc etc etc.

My suggestion, you need a better marketed, much fancier, more expensive tip. And dont forget the $30 Kamui chalk. Very important. :thumbup:
 
There’s a limit in how far from the center you can aim your cue. It typically is further out than most people realize. If your tip has a bare spot, the miscue limit is further in. But most often it is an issue of stroke, not chalk.

1) If you don’t stroke straight through without hitches in your delivery, you can find yourself aiming within the limit and delivering outside the limit.

2) Many people elevate their draw shots when they shouldn’t. It is possible to shoot an elevated draw shot but it makes it easier poke the ball instead of stroking it. A level shot is easier to aim and deliver.

3) Many people poke their draw shots which tend to make you get a stop shot instead of draw. That confuses them and leads them to hit draw shots harder instead of stroking better. That doesn’t make you draw any better but it does make it easier to miscue.

I suggest focusing everything you can on a level stick, cue very very low on the ball, an accelerating stick through delivery, and and exaggerated follow through.

I visualize the tip as a circle. I experiment with where that circle is relative to the bottom arc of the cueball. I know tests show chalk doesn’t extend the miscue limit but I swear I can only have the bottom of the tip circle touching the bottom arc of the cueball. But with Kamui I can almost have the bottom arc of the cueball intersect the tip circle near halfway.

For follow through, I visualize my tip circle position on the cueball. I then visualize the same position on the object ball. Then I pretend I’m not stroking the tip towards the cueball. Instead I visualize as if I was striking towards the object ball. It really helps me deliver on that level plane and with follow through. If I commit to stroking towards the object ball, it helps me also accelerate through the cue ball instead of poking into it, decelerating or dogging the stroke.

In karate, I think it’s like the difference of visualizing yourself punching through a brick versus just trying to punch at a brick.


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measureman said:
Yesterday I miscued badly.
I looked at the tip and saw the miscue spot.
There was no chalk on it and it was shiney.
Was this a case of a bad draw stroke or a glazed tip?
Triangle tip and magic chalk.
I always chalk up before a draw shot.

I made the shot but the cue ball did not draw back.
I needed to draw back about a foot and bounce off the rail to make the next shot that would have won the game!
So drawing back a foot was a pretty easy stroke.
Click to expand...

It hurts me to know you had a "miscue event" yesterday. I have only seen this phenomenon once with you and I think I may have won a few games off of you.

We had an agreement that you would invite me to the city if you were going to be sick or miscue a few times during the set.


All joking aside....its a rarity if MM loses traction on whitey:wink:.
 
measureman said:
Yesterday I miscued badly.
I looked at the tip and saw the miscue spot.
There was no chalk on it and it was shiney.
Was this a case of a bad draw stroke or a glazed tip?
Triangle tip and magic chalk.
I always chalk up before a draw shot.

I made the shot but the cue ball did not draw back.
I needed to draw back about a foot and bounce off the rail to make the next shot that would have won the game!
So drawing back a foot was a pretty easy stroke.
Click to expand...

This is what happens virtually EVERY time I miscue - there is a shiny spot on the tip with no chalk
One in a hundred is because I made a bad stroke, but I can't believe a bad stroke would result in a shiny spot on the tip right where you meant to hit it (i.e. not at the edge of the tip) It almost looks like a burn mark
 
Chuck Fields said:
Without seeing the tip before and after, and not seeing the stroke in question, there is not enough information to answer the question as to the cause.

The shiny spot could have been the result of the miscue just as easily as it could have been the cause. The stroke while 'easy' or smooth, might have caused the tip to hit outside its miscue limit etc etc etc.

My suggestion, you need a better marketed, much fancier, more expensive tip. And dont forget the $30 Kamui chalk. Very important. :thumbup:
Click to expand...

Let me know when you want to send it to me.
 
measureman said:
Yesterday I miscued badly.
I looked at the tip and saw the miscue spot.
There was no chalk on it and it was shiney.
Was this a case of a bad draw stroke or a glazed tip?
Triangle tip and magic chalk.
I always chalk up before a draw shot.

I made the shot but the cue ball did not draw back.
I needed to draw back about a foot and bounce off the rail to make the next shot that would have won the game!
So drawing back a foot was a pretty easy stroke.
Click to expand...
I probably have much more experience than you with miscued draw shots, so...

My suspicion is that the bald spot on your tip is from the tip hitting the cloth (because of hitting too low) - in other words, not the cause of the miscue, but the result.

pj
chgo
 
Patrick Johnson said:
I probably have much more experience than you with miscued draw shots, so...

My suspicion is that the bald spot on your tip is from the tip hitting the cloth (because of hitting too low) - in other words, not the cause of the miscue, but the result.

pj
chgo
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Never thought of that. Felt-induced-burnish?


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Patrick Johnson said:
I probably have much more experience than you with miscued draw shots, so...

My suspicion is that the bald spot on your tip is from the tip hitting the cloth (because of hitting too low) - in other words, not the cause of the miscue, but the result.

pj
chgo
Click to expand...

I never thought of that!
Next time it happens i will not rotate the shaft and take a look.
 
Patrick Johnson said:
I probably have much more experience than you with miscued draw shots, so...

My suspicion is that the bald spot on your tip is from the tip hitting the cloth (because of hitting too low) - in other words, not the cause of the miscue, but the result.

pj
chgo
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Absolutely. You can't hit the miscue limit on draw unless you hit the table first. Oh, you can miscue with a bad tip or not chalking. We can all assume that Measureman plays with a great tip that is well taken care of. As for his chalk, well, impeccable of course ;)

So, I'm going with Pat's answer, you hit the table first. That rubbed all the chalk of your tip in the spot it hit on the cloth. Not sure if you just went to low, or did something mechanically wrong at the time of your stroke. Happens to every one though ;)

If Pat I keep agreeing on stuff, we're gonna have to get a room ;) lol.
 
measureman said:
Yesterday I miscued badly.
I looked at the tip and saw the miscue spot.
There was no chalk on it and it was shiney.
Was this a case of a bad draw stroke or a glazed tip?
Triangle tip and magic chalk.
I always chalk up before a draw shot.

I made the shot but the cue ball did not draw back.
I needed to draw back about a foot and bounce off the rail to make the next shot that would have won the game!
So drawing back a foot was a pretty easy stroke.
Click to expand...

Loss of concentration and not getting down on the shot properly.
 
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