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warriorpoet62

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I want to preface this by saying that I never really gamble...not for anything serious.

Here is the situation: I get backed playing a guy I don't know for $50 race to 7. I take two sets off the guy and then he wants to make it $100 race to 7. I said no because he has to win fewer games to win the same amount of money which doesn't make sense to me. The guy I'm gambling with says he just wants a chance to get even...which sounds like BS to me. The guy who backed me knows I don't gamble but knew there was no real way the guy can beat me...

Two questions: Was I wrong not to agree to change the wager?
How do you guys handle a situation like this?

Thanks in advance for the help...this is why I don't gamble ...too complicated.!!
 
Can you beat em? If so, let them raise the bet. More money for you. Make em post it though. If you won by getting lucky, and you feel like they are truly a better player, then I would tell them to get it back the same way they lost it.
 
warriorpoet62 said:
I want to preface this by saying that I never really gamble...not for anything serious.

Here is the situation: I get backed playing a guy I don't know for $50 race to 7. I take two sets off the guy and then he wants to make it $100 race to 7. I said no because he has to win fewer games to win the same amount of money which doesn't make sense to me. The guy I'm gambling with says he just wants a chance to get even...which sounds like BS to me. The guy who backed me knows I don't gamble but knew there was no real way the guy can beat me...

Two questions: Was I wrong not to agree to change the wager?
How do you guys handle a situation like this?

Thanks in advance for the help...this is why I don't gamble ...too complicated.!!
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I usually tell them that they dug the hole with a shovel and I'm not letting them fill it back in with a back hoe. That is if I smell a rat and don't want to bump it up right away.

JC
 
JC said:
I usually tell them that they dug the hole with a shovel and I'm not letting them fill it back in with a back hoe. That is if I smell a rat and don't want to bump it up right away.

JC
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That's a good analogy, I'll remember that for future reference.
 
Several ways to look at it.

Amateur way: Win the money back the way you lost it, i.e. I had to win seven sets to get you down and I am not letting you get it back in three.

Pro way: The customer is always right, if you had no chance to win for 50 you have less chance to win for 100. Bet what you want.

The way I look it is that since I don't play pool for a living I'd like to at least break even on the night financially if possible. When I walk in I am ready to risk x-amount of money as seed money and I will play until I have won, broke-even, or lost my stake. So, with that in mind I want to absolutely maximize my chances to take off a good score. If I beat a guy two sets and they weren't close and he wants to double then I figure he isn't going to get better and so I always press it and take the bet. If I lost both real close then I might wait a few more sets to see how it goes before allowing a raise. (I said MIGHT because those who know me know that I am ready to raise the bet any time, including in the middle of the set...) But the cautious way is to consider the way the sets went and if you feel they will continue with you as the big favorite then by all means get the bet up. If close be a little more cautious unless you think the extra pressure will cause his game to weaken. (this happens to me, sometimes I want to raise the bet and my game gets worse with the extra pressure I absorb)

And lastly in general it's a decent thing to do to give a guy a shot at getting even. Maybe not all in one set though but unless you are really "working" him and MUST get the cash most sociable gambling is of the friendly variety where each person gives the other one some consideration.
 
Gambling/betting

I am not a gambler, BUT I do make bets. Sound confusing :confused:

Here's the difference: Gamblers have to gamble. Those who Bet, play the odds.

A friend of my father told me long ago that there needs to be 3 things established when betting.(otherwise its gambling)
1- know the game
2- know the rules
3- know b-4 you start when you will finish.
The most important is #3

He was verrry wise Indeed !
 
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Dunnn51 said:
I am not a gambler, BUT I do make bets. Sound confusing :confused:

Here's the difference: Gamblers have to gamble. Those who Bet, play the odds.

A friend of my father told me long ago that there needs to be 3 things established when betting.(otherwise its gambling)
1- know the game
2- know the rules
3- know b-4 you start when you will finish.
The most important is #3

He was verrry wise Indeed !
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Wise words. Never really thought of it this way
 
If you are being hustled and he is slow playing you, then doubling up is not a good option...you have to use your instincts and make good bets.
 
as you can probably tell, ther is no single answer.

i have raised it and kept it the same, won big and gotten burned. you have to figure it out at the scene.
 
He gave u valuable information he is gonna pull up if he loses another 100. U keep bet the same beat him for the xtra hundred if he gets even quit. U lost a hundred and he already said he wanted to break even. He was only going to lose another 100. This is a perfect example stop loss. The 100 the you're up that's your money. . If you play for 100 and lose it turns the tables on you big time. That's a bad situation. Then u chasing money already won. Thats tilt. Even if u got the nuts he going to fire his last 2a barrels, he already stated he was willing to lose another 100. If he is hustling you You can't lose He would have to show his true speed the next 2 sets. And now you're late for dinner Split the time. That will be true discipline right there.
 
There aren't any strict rules governing the "gambling" part of money games. There are, however, agreed upon common conventions that may differ in different parts of the country and/or world. So, before you start playing for big money, be sure that all the details are covered. Nothing starts a fight faster than two guys arguing over money (or a woman)!

If you think it's a smart move to bump the bet, then do it. If you don't want to bump it up, then don't. Also, there's nothing that says you can't quit when you're up. True, most players give the other guy a chance to catch up, but that's just a common courtesy, not a carved-in-stone law. Unless you had an agreement to play X number of sets, you can walk after any set.
 
warriorpoet62 said:
I want to preface this by saying that I never really gamble...not for anything serious.

Here is the situation: I get backed playing a guy I don't know for $50 race to 7. I take two sets off the guy and then he wants to make it $100 race to 7. I said no because he has to win fewer games to win the same amount of money which doesn't make sense to me. The guy I'm gambling with says he just wants a chance to get even...which sounds like BS to me. The guy who backed me knows I don't gamble but knew there was no real way the guy can beat me...

Two questions: Was I wrong not to agree to change the wager?
How do you guys handle a situation like this?

Thanks in advance for the help...this is why I don't gamble ...too complicated.!!
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I said no because he has to win fewer games to win the same amount of money which doesn't make sense to me.


You have to win fewer games to double the money you've already won . Your not gambling , he is . If your worried about losing some of your buddies money you should probably not play using his money. If you played poker and went into a game and won a big pot the first hand , then got up and left i doubt you would be invited back to the game .
 
I've had this happen, but not against anyone I didn't know. I say put the money up front, one game & done. Time to quit after that either way.
 
Changing the Bet?

Bob Jewett said:
I'd say it's up to your backer.
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Bob has the correct answer, especially for the old school player.

The guy with the cash makes the game.

The player is the Horse, who has to do one thing,...Run the Race. Win and the backer keeps feeding you, lose and you are out to pasture.

It is why the backer has the money and the player is normally broke. Players don't make good business decisions. They are too pumped for the action and think they won't lose a game.

When you have two backers who have their thoroughbreds matching up, it is a spectacle to behold. These Stakehorses have more nerves than Wall Street Bankers!

Anyway, if it is your money, you can do what you want. If it isn't, you do exactly as the Backer says!,...or you may not ever get backed again. Nobody wants to try and tame a stable of wild horses.
 
Opinion ...

I say double up. Evidently you are the better player and know it, so why not double up. I, frequently, will double up.

And also, you may not gamble frequently, but you still gamble on Pool, therefore, you are a gambler, whether you have a backer or not. You can not be a little bit pregnant.

I would say you need to learn the difference between playing to win vs.
playing not to lose.
 
Assuming the backer is gonna let you decide...

By jacking the bet he either feels you got lucky, or he's hustling, or he thinks the money will rattle you. If you feel any of those things are true, you probably shouldn't do it.

However if you don't believe any of that, and you can win... you should look at this as a free roll at 100 bucks. You won't walk out worse than you came in, you get some valuable experience... And if you lose and want to quit, nobody can complain. You gave him three sets for the stakes he wanted, and everyone's back to even so nobody will say "I need a shot to get my money back".
 
warriorpoet62 said:
I want to preface this by saying that I never really gamble...not for anything serious.

Here is the situation: I get backed playing a guy I don't know for $50 race to 7. I take two sets off the guy and then he wants to make it $100 race to 7. I said no because he has to win fewer games to win the same amount of money which doesn't make sense to me. The guy I'm gambling with says he just wants a chance to get even...which sounds like BS to me. The guy who backed me knows I don't gamble but knew there was no real way the guy can beat me...

Two questions: Was I wrong not to agree to change the wager?
How do you guys handle a situation like this?

Thanks in advance for the help...this is why I don't gamble ...too complicated.!!
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Let him double up, thats how pool players make a good score, you already have his money in your pocket, the worst you can do is break even and believe me all the pressure will be on him, because he is thinking in the back of his head if i lose iam stuck 200 and if i win iam only even, now if you do double up and lose and you decide to quit at lease he cant say you didnt give him a chance to get even, in the long run you will much more money betting this way!
 
richiebalto said:
Let him double up, thats how pool players make a good score, you already have his money in your pocket, the worst you can do is break even and believe me all the pressure will be on him, because he is thinking in the back of his head if i lose iam stuck 200 and if i win iam only even, now if you do double up and lose and you decide to quit at lease he cant say you didnt give him a chance to get even, in the long run you will much more money betting this way!
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I agree. In the long run you will win a lot by allowing people to TRY and get even. Sometimes they will but then you just have a repeat customer.

I am one of the guys who loses a lot TRYING to get even. I can tell the whole board that it is unquestionably true that the pressure is WAY higher when losing means double and winning is just even.

For a view from the other side what I try to do instead is triple the bet. Because if I win then I am definitely in my opponent's pocket and if he continues to play for the tripled amount then I have a shot to make a good score. If I lose then I lose a lot more but at least I am giving myself a chance to do better than even. Not always the best strategy but it's paid off a few times.

On another note how many of you have jacked the bet in the middle of a set when you are way down?

I have done it several times and luckily every time it has paid off greatly for me. I don't know what it is but when a guy is way ahead in a set, say 4:0 in a race to 7 then he thinks he absolutely cannot lose and when you beat him then the next sets playing even are a joke, he can't make a ball in the ocean.
 
Sometimes I have to wonder

Sometimes I have to wonder where you find all these "perfect gentleman" that are strangers asking you to play. Honestly, I have had more bad experiences from "strangers" wanting to play than good. Thats good reason to heed the advice I was given when young, and to only play ppl I know for $$.
I can think of one time distinctly that made me take this view concerning any type of "betting" with ppl. (I don't "gamble," if you see me atta casino, its for non-gambling issues.)
 
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