More elbow dropping nonsense
- Thread starter SpiderWebComm
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Absolutely! Her stroke is the picture of mechanics perfection. It never falters, and is one reason she has been consistently at the top of the game. Karen is another. Most of us should be thrilled to play at her level.
Steve
what is your definition of a recovery stroke?
draw.. here I'll post a vid of decent draw with a pendulum and without a miscue..
.. ok my usual draw practice maxes out at 4 diamonds from 4 diamonds away..I have never needed more draw than that in a game
but for this video I went CB on the headstring OB in jaws of the pocket..I drew back past the middle of the table everytime..if I wanted to work on it I could probably get back to the rail...but the questions remains why would I ever need that much draw?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ih0HRuqIs-g
you can do anything with a pendulum that you can do with any other stroke the only difference is a pendulum is easier to master..
Thats suprising to hear from one of the instructors on this board considering she drops her elbow on nearly every shot (nowadays, it seems she picked this up in the last few years).
I would never knock Allison. She is the best woman to EVER play the game. On top of that, I personally watched her trounce lots of top guys in the IPT. She can beat anyone in a race to 10 if she's playing well. I remember sweating some of her matches, drinking some coffee.... just thinking to myself, "Shit, this chick don't miss...." I'm her #1 fan
No way.....I am....
randyg
If she has recently changed her stroke, I haven'f seen it. Haven't seen her play in a couple of years. I would also wonder if it is something she has consciously done, or not. I do know that for the years when she dominated the WPBA, she was the poster girl for the pendilum stroke.
Steve
No offence but, every single day I play there comes a situation where I need more draw than that.
On a 9ft table drawing the length and coming back to break a cluster for instance.
No way I could do that with that level of a cue and a nice pendulum like yours.
In cases like this I change my grip from mostly 2nd, 3rd finger where index and pinky are kind of on and off to a grip with index and 2nd finger, using a wrist snap and an elbow drop.
What I love about that is the action you get on the cueball, that hesitation followed by an explosion yoyo like in nature. I can watch that motion all day long. It is fun.
You can get that action without elbow drop on short distance, but sooner or later the distance makes it impossible.
You need more draw than that often. I'm not saying your stoke is bad by any means, trust me. But it's nice to be able to snap that ball back when you have to. I'm guessing I can snap that back to where you're standing and back up the table (on a 7' table). Maybe I'm wrong though, I never play on 7 footers.
I draw like that in 14.1 if I get straight-in on my key ball and I need a better angle on the break shot. I might snap it back to the kitchen and back to the center of the table. On a 9'er, I'm curious how you'd make a 5' shot with draw to come back to the short rail. All I'm saying is you need more umph often.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWrchihrkpw
We setup our shots differently, but I drew a lot more than that by letting go of the cue and throwing it. The instructors hate that one. I bet I won't get any compliments for mine though hahahaha
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you are an awful lot closer to your work than I was though.. set me up 2 feet away from the OB and I'll get significantly more CB travel too:thumbup:
you might be surprised what the SPF guys would say about the concept of throwing your cue.... actually one of the Mother drills is called "The Cue Toss drill" it's a valid concept that I have applied to my game as well...
nice shootin spidey
I thought that was pretty good draw on the 2nd shot Spidey.
How far can you draw it if you used a pendulum stroke?
I know you don't play that way but have you ever tried to see what the difference is for you?
You could use the diamonds to quantify the difference in your performance using the different strokes and from the other thread different grip pressures.
We are expecting more snow on Monday, so I'll be looking for another thread from you that generates this much response
Stay warm.
I thought that was pretty good draw on the 2nd shot Spidey.
How far can you draw it if you used a pendulum stroke?
I know you don't play that way but have you ever tried to see what the difference is for you?
You could use the diamonds to quantify the difference in your performance using the different strokes and from the other thread different grip pressures.
We are expecting more snow on Monday, so I'll be looking for another thread from you that generates this much response
Stay warm.
I know you guys won't believe this, but if I had to classify myself, I'd say I'm a pendulum stroker who occasionally drops his elbow on follow-through. Prob 75-80% of my shots are done with a pinned elbow. I record myself all the time. It seems as though I drop my elbow on long shots where I have to do something with the CB (like draw, for instance). I've experimented, and I find I need way more wrist action than I want to get the same result as a drop.
Tom Simpson has this upper-arm strap that attaches to another cue. I found that when my arm was strapped-up (so it couldn't drop), I had to let the cue slide in my hand while stroking forward to get the result I wanted (a controlled throw).
power draw with no elbow drop
Sorry I don't have my arm in the video frame, but you can see the tip finish down into the cloth from the pendulum motion. I did not drop my elbow on this shot.
Regards,
Dave
This is a pendulum stroke with enough draw for most game situations (and this cloth is fairly slow):
Sorry I don't have my arm in the video frame, but you can see the tip finish down into the cloth from the pendulum motion. I did not drop my elbow on this shot.
Regards,
Dave
You so dropped your elbow....elbow dropper. Video or it didn't happen (showing the elbow)
hahaha
Watch the tip, Grasshopper. Elbow still ... tip down. Wax on, wax off.
I'd post a video, but I'm too busy working on Disc IV, and I'm wasting too much time on AZB.
Regards,
Dave