...love to see Earl for USA and Oliver for Europe play.
Mosconi Cup 2012, No Points Qualifiers for US Team, Favoritism?
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So, not really much different than a combination of the rumors and what I said earlier about Shane. It will end up being SVB, one other player that did outstanding at all events, and then the other 3 slots will be chosen by Matchroom Sports. I guess one slot to shoot for out of 5 is better than nothing though. Better get in stroke boys!!!
Well, it looks like the real change then is that they went from 3 qualified spots and 2 picks down to 2 who qualify and 3 picks.
Alex vs Rodney need i say more
yes please explain - or someone send me a PM if they don't want to type it for all to see
i would like to see...
i would like to see..
captain..billy incardona ....just knows thr gameway better than anybody else!
ARCHER...very intense, great team leader and has alot of willand passion for the cup...
SVB...pure power game...will to win....
HATCH.......HEART....firepower....HEART....
CORY....still 1 of the best cue balls in the game and plays strong...
SHUFF...he is proved humself at the derby, qualified for the world 8 ball, and is just young enough to be fearless......
so inclosing captain that knowsthe game and intensity,power game,HEART,great cueball,and fearless...sounds like a greatteam with a great leaderin my opinion.....
i would like to see..
captain..billy incardona ....just knows thr gameway better than anybody else!
ARCHER...very intense, great team leader and has alot of willand passion for the cup...
SVB...pure power game...will to win....
HATCH.......HEART....firepower....HEART....
CORY....still 1 of the best cue balls in the game and plays strong...
SHUFF...he is proved humself at the derby, qualified for the world 8 ball, and is just young enough to be fearless......
so inclosing captain that knowsthe game and intensity,power game,HEART,great cueball,and fearless...sounds like a greatteam with a great leaderin my opinion.....
I can easily pick our team. Let's see, there's Shane Van Boening and ............. hmmmm, let's see, Shane and ............. well, how about Shane and .............???
Okay, let's just let Shane take on Europe!
What about your favorite player of all time?
--- EARL STRICKLAND!!! ---
Seriously though. I hope they don't do away with a point based selection system. I don't like any system that could be seen as biased or unfair.
Also, I'd love to see Brandon Shuff in the 2012 Mosconi Cup. I think he's graduated to that level and would have a great chance to make it if they keep it based on points.
Also, I'd love to see Brandon Shuff in the 2012 Mosconi Cup. I think he's graduated to that level and would have a great chance to make it if they keep it based on points.
This is a tad far fetched, but stick with me. First, we start a rumor that there are WMDs in the Philippines. Then we all write-in Jeb Bush in November. Bush will then invade the Philippines based on our well crafted media-disinformation campaign. Then the lineup at the Mosconi Cup could be:
Efren, Francisco, Dennis Orcullo, Ronnie Alcano, Shane.
They might win. :thumbup:
Efren, Francisco, Dennis Orcullo, Ronnie Alcano, Shane.
They might win. :thumbup:
Matchroom removed the international events form the points list and I suspect this is because not many Americans go to those events (or can afford to either) so that should be a plus for any aspiring players. They also don't assign points to any events that don't have a prize fund large enough to warrant all the top pro's wanting to attend, so yeah, unfortunately, there are only a few tournaments this year that have been officially announced that meet that criteria. Last year when they picked the entire team by ranking everyone complained, and now everyone complains anyway...tough crowd. IN the past when Matchroom had a similar criteria where some slots were picked by ranking and some where done by promoters' choice they ended up choosing the next in the ranking anyway.
Things are not always the conspiracy that everyone would like to make it out to be. Anyone that knows anyone at Matchroom knows that they want the best for both teams which in the end is the best thing for their event. It's not as underhanded as all of you are making it out to be. And to be honest, in the HUGE world that is Matchroom, the Mosconi is a tiny little piece of the pie so although it may be the biggest thing we have in American pool, it's a drop in the bucket in the total number of events Matchroom runs. They are not out to get anyone.
Well, I didn't read any posts that say we think Matchroom pool is "out to get anyone". I know my posts didn't say that personally. I only asked about a rumor saying that the players would not be selected by points but by those guys, which (with the exception of the top 2) is true. I also gave my opinion that I think there are enough big tournaments to make the top 5 selected by points....still this is my opinion. Obviously matchroom pool disagrees. Not sure where the conspiracy theory stuff came from in your comment....? They run a tournament, and nobody said they are out to get anyone. This is a forum where people post their questions and opinions, right?
I, for one, don't believe Matchroom has any sort of agenda, other than to make successful TV. And that not only is their prerogative, it is indeed their responsibility.
As far as agendas go, however, I do believe certain influential members of a certain alphabet soup in the pool world might have some....
As far as agendas go, however, I do believe certain influential members of a certain alphabet soup in the pool world might have some....
It's a Matchroom made-up event, not some sort of World Championship that is going to be by invitation only. They can invite whoever they want. And especially on the US side, there really are not enough viable tournaments to establish a real good points type qualifying process.
Don't know why people don't see this . The WPA is just a made up organization too, they only sanction , they don't fund , they really have no pull except with a few promoters. If someone here with deep pockets funded a pool tour with exceptional payouts they would sanction their own events and make their own rules , and the APA would dissolve.
The Mosconi Cup is limited , it is for entertainment and maybe make Barry Hearn some money with possible future payback if pools fortunes change . John Schmidt and Oliver Ortmann for all the marbles in straight pool to decide the Mosconi Cup , you bet.
Of course it's a made up event. All events are made up by someone at some point. I think earning a spot is what gives the event prestige. Once it gets to the point where it's a made up event and the people who make it up also get to pick the folks who play in it, well then all of it is just for show. Maybe matchroom pool just wants to make sure they have a good show.
Also, why are five big events during a year not enough to base points off of? If you are top 5 after 5 events, do you think those players got there by some kind of fluke? I don't. Just my opinion though...I don't think anyone is out to get anyone else.
By made up it doesn't really honor Willie Mosconi , don't think he cared for 9 ball all that much , it is also not not like Cups in other games like golf , where you have several matches at once.
It is ridiculous to assume that Matchroom don't have their finger on the pulse of what is happening in the USA or The Middle East, Asia or Europe.
There is probably nobody on this forum with more grasp of what's happening than Luke Riches. Nobody more capable of working out who have been the studs and who have been the duds in US Pool.
Dennis Hatch's potential was better than his performance when Matchroom stuck his name on a voting form. They chose another rising star from the Middle East and stuck Omar Alshaheen and a Kuwaiti partner in their World Cup last year.
Like somebody said earlier in this thread - they just want to put on as great a show as they possibly can. Amen!
There is probably nobody on this forum with more grasp of what's happening than Luke Riches. Nobody more capable of working out who have been the studs and who have been the duds in US Pool.
Dennis Hatch's potential was better than his performance when Matchroom stuck his name on a voting form. They chose another rising star from the Middle East and stuck Omar Alshaheen and a Kuwaiti partner in their World Cup last year.
Like somebody said earlier in this thread - they just want to put on as great a show as they possibly can. Amen!
I'm sure that Matchroom absolutely knows what is going on in the world of pool and they know all the best players and the same for this Luke Riches guy. Of course they should pick the best members for the teams. While we are at it, let's have the brightest minds in football pick the 2 teams for the Super Bowl, let's have the brightest minds in golf pick the team members for the Ryder Cup, etc. etc. I think it should go for all sports!! Of course all these guys know best, and they'll know the folks who will put on the best show, so let them pick the teams/players. Don't worry about earning a spot or having an underdog upset to fight their way or anything like that. Just let the ones who have their pulse on the sport pick
Has anyone commented on the tremendously sad statement that Matchroom in effect made about American professional pool when they used only 5 events as the MC qualifier and all in the USA? Not a single world event. It is pretty much Matchroom stating that the USA no longer has a professional pressence on the world stage enough to justify them having ranking points allocated in those events for the Mosconi Cup.
IMO Matchroom really needs to consider making the Mosconi Cup Team North America vs Team Europe so that players like Alex, John Morra and Jason Klatt would be available to the American side. The USA is already handicapped by their single country taking on the whole of Europe, Team USA needs to become Team America and that could very likely change things very quickly. Put SVB and Alex on the same team and lets see how Team Europe likes that?
Plus, Alex in the Mosconi Cup with his antics and personality... think about that!
IMO Matchroom really needs to consider making the Mosconi Cup Team North America vs Team Europe so that players like Alex, John Morra and Jason Klatt would be available to the American side. The USA is already handicapped by their single country taking on the whole of Europe, Team USA needs to become Team America and that could very likely change things very quickly. Put SVB and Alex on the same team and lets see how Team Europe likes that?
Plus, Alex in the Mosconi Cup with his antics and personality... think about that!
Don't be so cryptic why would someone dump when their trying to get as many points as they can. Really if you know that something happened then state who,what and where. OR this is just silly.