Mosconi Cup - Bad winners are worse thn bad losers.

I'll respond to you guys when you find the guts to use your real names.

Shawn was the only person not hiding behind a little trolling-mask and I already responded to him....

Sorry - I forgot that AZ was a haven for adolescent text-bullies who are ashamed of who they really are.
 
Solomon said:
After watching the video that was posted, the only person that appeared to say anything somewhat disrespectful was the promoter. But that is kind of his job. More specifically, his job is to get interest in other venues so that he and the people that he represent can make more money. I think the commentator at the end was just restating what had been said.
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Hearn is a businessman. He knows he can fill a venue in Asia. If it happens twice a year it's double the money and double the payout to Europe. Or whoever the best team is.

I think this post has been started by a bad loser, so bad a loser that his disappointment prevented him from hearing or understanding what was said. Passions run deep in sport, I know people who will not accept the truth from things that happened many years ago.

The truth is Chamat captained a very good team that steamrollered a very poor team and then "bigged up" his own very good team. The only thing he said that I took issue with was when he said he believed USA would be back. There is no way back.
 
JAM said:
If you are referring to Marcus "The Little Napoleon" Chamat, his words were taken out of context yesterday in his captain's celebratory speech. I know Marcus, and he loves America, American pool, American players, and did live here for a while.

As well, I actually was typing his words when he was speaking yesterday, and I only saved a few sentences to share in another thread. He was giving his team accolades by saying, "We're the best team in the world!" He was excited and happy for the win. He added that, basically, he invited anybody to come play them some, whether it's China, Philippines, et cetera. He wasn't bashing Team USA; rather, he was giving his team accolades. Marcus would *never* have a bad word to say about anybody in the pool world. He's not that kind of guy.

To know him is to love him. He's got heart, humor, and game. I have a lot of Marcus photos, but this has always been one of my favorite shots of Marcus taken at the Derby. I'd elaborate more about this photo, but I know it will be met with criticism of what was happening that day. For some of us, it sure was a lot of fun. :grin-square:

Again, Marcus would never, ever have anything bad to say about America, American pool, or any of its pool peeps.
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A picture speaks a thousand words...everything wrong with pool in one go.
 
How can one dictate to another how to feel?

Let them celebrate.

You do know that for every high, ther is an equal low, right?

Now, if we could just impose that low...
 
dkleather said:
Hearn is a businessman. He knows he can fill a venue in Asia. If it happens twice a year it's double the money and double the payout to Europe. Or whoever the best team is.

I think this post has been started by a bad loser, so bad a loser that his disappointment prevented him from hearing or understanding what was said. Passions run deep in sport, I know people who will not accept the truth from things that happened many years ago.

The truth is Chamat captained a very good team that steamrollered a very poor team and then "bigged up" his own very good team. The only thing he said that I took issue with was when he said he believed USA would be back. There is no way back.
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I would like to see Europe against Asia.

Gonna be a really close one.

My ideal dream match-up

Team Europe :

Darren Niel Jayson Albin Mika


Team Asia :

Big Ko , Chang Jung Lin , Wu Chia Ching , Biado n Orcollo


Im having an orgasm just anticipating this ...
 
Pathetic Shark said:
On what basis? Your cb control is terrible - those mistakes only magnify on smaller tables.
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Just kidding a little. That being said, I feel there's 3 on the US team that the Euros have little chance at winning on a bar table. In long races they just ain't getting there. Shane, Sky, and Justin are monster's.
 
Why not just win.

If you would like to eliminate any possibility of the American team being (in your mind) disrespected then just play better pool and win. Europe has crushed us so often now that Barry Hern feels that he needs to find better competition for the Europeans. Fact is he's right.

In your face is an American expression not a European one. Can't you just realize that the glory days of American pool are long gone and we just suck compared to the best in the rest of the world. I think it was Bush The First that first coined the phrase "New World Order." Pool is just another example of the erosion in position in the world that America now faces. I'm an American and I have no choice but to accept this fact and if anybody thinks that Trump is going to change this reality you're on meds. History marches on and things change. Might not like it but that's the way it is.
 
John disque, keep this up you might get funniest/most stupid post of the year award...you never address anyone's counterpoints (that it seems like 95% agree with) but rather repeat the same line over and over again. Are you honing your cut and paste skills lol?


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I didnt see any of the Moscnoi cup nor read any other posts besides this one, if this is true there is one simple solution :grin: This isnt strictly directed towards the Europeans but they just happen to have made the perfect example. Let your cue do your shit talking and gloating and leave it at that, all is fair on the table but when the game is over saddle up and move on. Now if your opponents are an asshole during the match (in general not just the Mosconi cup) that could be a different story but I doubt that was the case. Rodney should have just pancaked every MFR that moved their lips.
 
I really do think many people especially the American fans don't really get what the Mosconi cup has become.
It's a grudge match, a spectacle it's boxing with billiards. I'm sure Barry does not want a blow out every year but he is never going to stop all the antics that add to the pressure drama and excitement and he could if he wanted to, it "puts bums on seats" and "were you entertained?" to quote Mr Hearn that is all he cares about.
He is a promoter and a very good one, he will continue to allow whatever he feels is good for the promotion of an event.
All the pages of whining and excuses on this forum is the epitome of bad sportsmanship but then that seems to be the the pattern here and is probably why so many like to see the US get beat time and time again, your attitude to losing stinks and until that changes it's hard to become winners.
Winning BTW is easy, just play better.
 
John Disque said:
I'll respond to you guys when you find the guts to use your real names.

Shawn was the only person not hiding behind a little trolling-mask and I already responded to him....

Sorry - I forgot that AZ was a haven for adolescent text-bullies who are ashamed of who they really are.
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Mr Disque, I too think you are over-reacting!..The following is a post I made after our most recent loss.--->

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showpost.php?p=5742406&postcount=7

I am definitely pro-USA, but I feel Barry Hearn is right!..Something has to change, to save the credibility (and interest in) the Mosconi Cup!..Our 'glory days' are long over! :rolleyes:

Dick Mc Morran
 
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They are all big boys to handle a few digs. That's what makes a good rivalry. I say that anything that can light a fire under the USA team, the better. Darren threw his cue down and then Rodney mocked him by knocking a couple of his cues down. It's all in good fun and competition.
 
I've been one to think that the races in the Mosconi Cup are too short, the crowds too biased and boisterous, the commentators too biased toward Europe, the table too generous, that our USA Team doesn't perform like a team, and yes Jim Wyche (and others) said some hurtful (but true statements) about America's Team.

Losing EIGHT out of NINE Mosconi Cups in the last 9 years can tell you a lot about yourself if you're willing to be honest.


It is my hope that what has been said about the USA Mosconi Cup team, in this forum and at the event itself, will sting enough for our American players to take a long, hard look at their own game and find the resolve to fix whatever is broken. If our players deny what is apparent, we will be doomed to mediocrity and will forever be branded as whiners.

It's time to stop whining about what other people say about our USA Mosconi Cup Team and time to stop making excuses about why we lose at the Mosconi Cup. It's time to put our egos on the top shelf deep in the back of the closet and put on our big boy trousers and fix what needs to be fixed. But alas, it up to the American players themselves to decide if they are ready to turn the tables on the Europeans. Changing disciplines, tables, commentators, environment, length of races and challenging the Europeans to gamble in long races isn't going to win us any Mosconi Cups.

JoeyA
 
One thing, I get tired of listening to Jim Wyche, another thing, this poster, pretty much hit it on the head, (No - I don't go in front of a GLOBAL audience and tell them that my opponent sucks so I'm going to look for a better one.

I tell them the truth and say that my opponent is better than what he/she displayed here and he/she wouldn't be here if they weren't great.

I was a big fan of a few European players, just don't think I will be anymore. I know it won't matter to anyone, but it does to me.
 
John Disque said:
Well - I'm really disappointed in Europe's take on the #Mosconi Cup and their post-game celebration.

I don't think it should be part of your celebration to scream about how American pool-players cannot challenge you and how you're going to have to go to the Philippines to find some competition.

You won and you should be happy without telling America that we're disposable and can't compete.

This Event was named after an AMERICAN player - not a European player, and we'll be back!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7uQNvoHdYI&feature=youtu.be
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Did you even watch the video? Marcus wasn't being disrespectful at all! Jim Wych and Barry Hearn may have been, but they aren't the representatives for the European team! Jim Wych is the commentator and Hearn is the promotor.
 
I thought it was little disrespectful but like others said more so by the promoter not Marcus. That was,uncalled for by anyone that represents the event to tell the other country they aren't good enough. One thing I never understood and made me laugh a little when I saw him come out was shaw wearing the European flag around his back like he was a local guy. Don't half of European team live in the USA and play most of their pool here.

USA dominates other sports. What would be said if a USA promoter of Olympic games come on the mic after usa won the medal and said in front of everybody that none of the teams can compete with usa and all country's should form 1 team to compete to bring us better competition cause none of these country's are good enough

Nba basketball be prime example
 
Cezar Morales said:
I would like to see Europe against Asia.

Gonna be a really close one.

My ideal dream match-up

Team Europe :

Darren Niel Jayson Albin Mika


Team Asia :

Big Ko , Chang Jung Lin , Wu Chia Ching , Biado n Orcollo

Im having an orgasm just anticipating this ...
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Swap Thorsten for Darren. Then I really like that Euro squad.
 
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