How is it an urban legend if it came out of Dane's mouth and it was about him?
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Most cash you've seen in a money match. First hand accounts
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Here's one: Names withheld to protect those involved and because I forgot them 
Many years ago my friends and I took a road trip to Shooters in Olathe to attend a Midwest tour tournament.
There was a kid (17-19ish) and his mother there trying to match up with eveyone. No one was biting, I had no real line on the kid but I offered to match him up with either of our players and he demanded weight so we had a barkfest about who had no heart which included his mom in the middle of it. No game came about.
A little while later I am playing one pocket with Cliff and I hear some commotion across the room. This kid and some guy are shouting at each other and the guy is waving money.
They agree to play house (bar) rules 8-ball on the 7 footer for $100 a game. The kid is much better and the guy loses the first game for $100. Then more people get in and start heckling the guy so he starts taking side bets, now there's like $1200 stacked up on the rail in small piles while they play and the guy loses that game too. One more game, same thing with about $1500 and the guy loses. Then he says he will be right back and leaves.
He comes back about 15 minutes later with a stack of bills that makes the whole room gasp. Now he says he wants to bet the whole stack but he is ONLY letting people in who bet with him before he left. So everyone that bet before gets in, something like 4-6 dimes on the rail in stacks.
So the kid and the guy get down to the last game and it comes down to both on the eight and guess what?
The guy wins!
A lot of people were betting against the money-guy including a lot of names known to folks here on the board. Perhaps someone else remembers this incident.
I remember it well because I thought the kid was a stone cold nit and was robbing the other guy and wasn't going to bet either way. Another guy who had just beaten me out of $400 playing one pocket blew it all and more betting on that game. I was happy he lost as he wasn't giving me a fair game or a shot at my money.
The bouncer at Shooters said the game was on the square. He said the money guy owns several 7-11s and regularly comes in and bets that game just like that. This weekend just happened to be one where all the hustlers and players were in town for the tournament.
And that's the way it went. Corraboration anyone?
Many years ago my friends and I took a road trip to Shooters in Olathe to attend a Midwest tour tournament.
There was a kid (17-19ish) and his mother there trying to match up with eveyone. No one was biting, I had no real line on the kid but I offered to match him up with either of our players and he demanded weight so we had a barkfest about who had no heart which included his mom in the middle of it. No game came about.
A little while later I am playing one pocket with Cliff and I hear some commotion across the room. This kid and some guy are shouting at each other and the guy is waving money.
They agree to play house (bar) rules 8-ball on the 7 footer for $100 a game. The kid is much better and the guy loses the first game for $100. Then more people get in and start heckling the guy so he starts taking side bets, now there's like $1200 stacked up on the rail in small piles while they play and the guy loses that game too. One more game, same thing with about $1500 and the guy loses. Then he says he will be right back and leaves.
He comes back about 15 minutes later with a stack of bills that makes the whole room gasp. Now he says he wants to bet the whole stack but he is ONLY letting people in who bet with him before he left. So everyone that bet before gets in, something like 4-6 dimes on the rail in stacks.
So the kid and the guy get down to the last game and it comes down to both on the eight and guess what?
The guy wins!
A lot of people were betting against the money-guy including a lot of names known to folks here on the board. Perhaps someone else remembers this incident.
I remember it well because I thought the kid was a stone cold nit and was robbing the other guy and wasn't going to bet either way. Another guy who had just beaten me out of $400 playing one pocket blew it all and more betting on that game. I was happy he lost as he wasn't giving me a fair game or a shot at my money.
The bouncer at Shooters said the game was on the square. He said the money guy owns several 7-11s and regularly comes in and bets that game just like that. This weekend just happened to be one where all the hustlers and players were in town for the tournament.
And that's the way it went. Corraboration anyone?
belmicah said:
I just replied in another post about this, but I'll repeat it here.
I was there when James beat Flyboy. As others said, it was in Baton Rouge at Lamberts. Lambert’s was a pool hall and restaurant (they had the best ham steak!).
When James sealed the deal it was 5am or so in the morning (after several days off and on playing) and since it was so late and so many days, there was hardly anyone else there. To this day, it's very surreal that I witnessed that.
Melinda
(and ironman thought I just 'played' pool. lol)
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Roadie said:Here's one: Names withheld to protect those involved and because I forgot them
Many years ago my friends and I took a road trip to Shooters in Olathe to attend a Midwest tour tournament.
There was a kid (17-19ish) and his mother there trying to match up with eveyone. No one was biting, I had no real line on the kid but I offered to match him up with either of our players and he demanded weight so we had a barkfest about who had no heart which included his mom in the middle of it. No game came about.
A little while later I am playing one pocket with Cliff and I hear some commotion across the room. This kid and some guy are shouting at each other and the guy is waving money.
They agree to play house (bar) rules 8-ball on the 7 footer for $100 a game. The kid is much better and the guy loses the first game for $100. Then more people get in and start heckling the guy so he starts taking side bets, now there's like $1200 stacked up on the rail in small piles while they play and the guy loses that game too. One more game, same thing with about $1500 and the guy loses. Then he says he will be right back and leaves.
He comes back about 15 minutes later with a stack of bills that makes the whole room gasp. Now he says he wants to bet the whole stack but he is ONLY letting people in who bet with him before he left. So everyone that bet before gets in, something like 4-6 dimes on the rail in stacks.
So the kid and the guy get down to the last game and it comes down to both on the eight and guess what?
The guy wins!
A lot of people were betting against the money-guy including a lot of names known to folks here on the board. Perhaps someone else remembers this incident.
I remember it well because I thought the kid was a stone cold nit and was robbing the other guy and wasn't going to bet either way. Another guy who had just beaten me out of $400 playing one pocket blew it all and more betting on that game. I was happy he lost as he wasn't giving me a fair game or a shot at my money.
The bouncer at Shooters said the game was on the square. He said the money guy owns several 7-11s and regularly comes in and bets that game just like that. This weekend just happened to be one where all the hustlers and players were in town for the tournament.
And that's the way it went. Corraboration anyone?
I don't remember the 7-11 guy ever winning a game. It was a long time ago, but I remember him going bust. My friend and I were the first to bet(at least one of the first to bet), because we were watching this matchup before anyone else. I think we just happened to be eating at a table closest to this game. We were talking to the guy a little bit and he ask my friend if he wanted to sidebet. He said "no", because he had no idea about the match-up and did not want to just give away his money. I told him we should bet on it, but not enough to hurt. I think we bet $100 a game and were weary about getting chopped up. After a few games, everybody else started to swarm around. He did go back to the store(I heard he didn't own it, just worked there) with a good size backroll. It was one of the weirdest games I have seen and there was also a lot on the rail in that one game.
rossaroni said:
The way I related it is the way I remember it went down. Now that I think about it 7-11 might have won the game he got everyone stuck on and kept playing after most people pulled up. I just vividly remember 7-11 winning the game after he came back with the stack of cash. Literally a stack of money, not a wad, or a roll, but a true stack and he covered all bets with it.
Joe Salazar probably has a better memory of that than I do since he had a good amount of cash bet against 7-11. I know that the guy who lost the $400 plus some he won off of me pulled up when 7-11 won the one game. That guy's name is Tony Zierman, who has since become a friend, although he still won't give me the right game in one hole.
I think you are right though that 7-11 did go bust in the end.
Roadie said:The way I related it is the way I remember it went down. Now that I think about it 7-11 might have won the game he got everyone stuck on and kept playing after most people pulled up. I just vividly remember 7-11 winning the game after he came back with the stack of cash. Literally a stack of money, not a wad, or a roll, but a true stack and he covered all bets with it.
Joe Salazar probably has a better memory of that than I do since he had a good amount of cash bet against 7-11. I know that the guy who lost the $400 plus some he won off of me pulled up when 7-11 won the one game. That guy's name is Tony Zierman, who has since become a friend, although he still won't give me the right game in one hole.
I think you are right though that 7-11 did go bust in the end.
Roadie, you are right about it being a stack of money. It was hard to keep all the bets straight with all the action on the rail. My friend and I saw the guy in the parking lot after the match and he seemed like nothing happened- no big deal. I guess it didn't matter much if it was not his money in the first place. I know Tony Z. and am surprized that he bet on 7-11.
VIProfessor said:Phil Helmuth plays nine ball for money? Can you PM his address please, sir?
I heard he went off to Bobby Baldwin once for over 100k and that was before the boom, back when top-flight tournament players were grinding at 500 dollar entry fee tourny's. A lot of poker players play pool. for example.
1. John Hennigan
2. Amarillo Slim
3. Nick from NY
4. Bobby Baldwin
5. The guy from Chicago plays as well as anyone in Chi-town
6. Josh Arieh
7. Sam Farha
8. Archie Karras
9. Bill Blanda, etc
I think this is due to the pool players mentality. I know it helped me basic Hustler's edge
u12armresl said:
Well, considering I've been friends with Dane for nearly 15 years and managed his room for almost four of those years I can guarantee you that he never said he built the poolroom on Alex's cash!!! He has always said that Stutter's money was long gone before he even thought of opening the room..... If you're in Indy how would you know what Dane said anyway? Urban legend???
Saw
huckster said:
you forgot daniel negreanu. he was sposta play pool/snooker pretty good
Jack & Toby also matched up at Hard Times for between 40 & 60. The match went on for 3 days much to my amazement as Toby was 6 up the first night. As I was leaving the 1st night "Little" Al Romero said that Jack would come back as he was a "war horse".The match lasted 3 days with Jack winning after Toby's wife had a seizure on the 3rd day.
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There was a race in one pocket at the dcc a few years ago for 150k with another 150k bet on the rail, that's the most i have heard of.
There was a race in one pocket at the dcc a few years ago for 150k with another 150k bet on the rail, that's the most i have heard of.
Most cash you've seen in a money match. First hand accounts
> The first year I went to the Super Bowl tournament at The Rack,I saw 2 old guys that were said to be long-time,immensely successful farmers,playing one-pocket for 3000 a game. They agreed to pay off every game,until one of them lost 15000,with another 15000 on the overall outcome. One guy kept the bulk of his roll in the front chest pocket of his Osh Kosh overalls and the rest spread out,the other had a 1/2 gallon Crown Royal bag FULL. Neither one of these guys looked to have much of an offensive gear to the casual observer,in the 14 games I watched over 9 hours,I never saw more than 3-4 balls ran in a row. The reason for this is because these 2 played such a uber-tight,conservative style,that for much of the time,there were never more than 3-4 balls loose and runnable. With them,offense was a secondary option. They almost looked more interested in making a ball at a time,and keeping the stack intact as much as possible than they did in finding a way to run out or run 4-5 and start sending them downtown. I don't think either of them even shot at more than 7-8 long rail banks the whole time I watched,because they weren't moving balls up to the other end. They would lag balls back into the stack and nip draw the cue ball back to get a rail,or take turns thinning balls and spinning the cue ball into a rail and back to the other side of the stack for 15 minutes at a time,and occasionally shoot at a ball that trickled loose,and shoot it like they were scared to miss it and try to play the cue ball safe. For a LOT of people,this would have been the most boring match ever,but I learned more about defensive one-pocket from that session than any 2 big names ever,including Efren. Some of the spots I've seen Efren or Cliff give people might have gotten them drilled playing these 2,because they can't run 10 and out when they're frozen to the stack or frozen to the rail and stuck behind it,and they were more than patient enough to accept winning games one ball at a time. I don't think either of them ever flat sold out a single time. Tommy D.
> The first year I went to the Super Bowl tournament at The Rack,I saw 2 old guys that were said to be long-time,immensely successful farmers,playing one-pocket for 3000 a game. They agreed to pay off every game,until one of them lost 15000,with another 15000 on the overall outcome. One guy kept the bulk of his roll in the front chest pocket of his Osh Kosh overalls and the rest spread out,the other had a 1/2 gallon Crown Royal bag FULL. Neither one of these guys looked to have much of an offensive gear to the casual observer,in the 14 games I watched over 9 hours,I never saw more than 3-4 balls ran in a row. The reason for this is because these 2 played such a uber-tight,conservative style,that for much of the time,there were never more than 3-4 balls loose and runnable. With them,offense was a secondary option. They almost looked more interested in making a ball at a time,and keeping the stack intact as much as possible than they did in finding a way to run out or run 4-5 and start sending them downtown. I don't think either of them even shot at more than 7-8 long rail banks the whole time I watched,because they weren't moving balls up to the other end. They would lag balls back into the stack and nip draw the cue ball back to get a rail,or take turns thinning balls and spinning the cue ball into a rail and back to the other side of the stack for 15 minutes at a time,and occasionally shoot at a ball that trickled loose,and shoot it like they were scared to miss it and try to play the cue ball safe. For a LOT of people,this would have been the most boring match ever,but I learned more about defensive one-pocket from that session than any 2 big names ever,including Efren. Some of the spots I've seen Efren or Cliff give people might have gotten them drilled playing these 2,because they can't run 10 and out when they're frozen to the stack or frozen to the rail and stuck behind it,and they were more than patient enough to accept winning games one ball at a time. I don't think either of them ever flat sold out a single time. Tommy D.
huckster said:
Poker does seem to be a hobby of a lot of pool players.
I remember seeing Bill Blanda at the 2004 Skins Billiards Championship at the Hilton in Atlantic City.
The entry fee to get in was a mind-boggling 5 big ones. Of course, for the sponsored players, of which over half the field was sponsored, the entry fee is no problem. For us plebians, the entry fee was a tough hurdle to jump.
This was the first time I had ever seen Bill Blanda before. Somebody said he was from Texas, I thought. They also said he had just won a big poker tournament in Atlantic City at that time, so I guess he decided to get in the Skins while he was in the neighborhood.
I liked that Skins tournament at the Hilton. Spanish Mike introduced us to a pit boss, and we got free everything that weekend. I also got to meet "Pussy" of the Sopranos. Here's my 2004 Skins picture page: http://hometown.aol.com/jamalloy/2004skins.html
Here's a picture of Bill Blanda at the 2004 Skins tournament.
JAM
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huckster said:
I've used to see Nick from NY play pool on the Joss tour, few years back.
One weekend, we were on our way home from a Joss tournament in Berlin, CT at Ultimate Billiards. It was a brand-new pool room at the time, and the tables were slick as ice with this blue cloth that began with a "G." All of the players were having trouble adjusting to it.
Gamblers, however, can play on just about anything and adapt to their environments quickly. The finals at this tournament ended up being Keith McCready and Ronnie Alcano. It was pretty intense, and everybody was side-betting. Long story short, Keith managed to barbecue Ronnie in less than 20 minutes in the finals. What a performance, and a 4-foot trophy to boot!
So we're on our way home to D.C. from Berlin, CT with Ryan "Genie Man" McCreesh in tow, in fine spirits. We heard about a handicapped tourmnament at Master's pool room in Queens, NYC, and, of course, my two road partners convinced me that this would be a nice stop-off point en route.
The place had a lot of NYC players in it this Sunday night. For whatever reason, Keith zeroed in on Ginky, wanting to match up. Playing heads-up, they couldn't come to an agreeable game. Finally, Keith says he'll take Genie Man as a partner if Ginky will spot him a ball or two in one-pocket. George San Souci knew exactly who he had in mind to be his partner all along, and it was this Nick from NY. Ginky jumped on Keith's fine offer, saying he'd play him that partners game with Nick, but even. Keith couldn't get to the table fast enough.
Well, it wasn't pretty for Team McCready, losing those two sets to Ginky and Nick. The hometeam made a nice score.
Here's a cute shot of Keith barking at Nick to march himself over to the table and step up to the plate. Nick acted like he could care less, but look at Ginky's eyes, like a cat in waiting as he's enjoying the show!
JAM
