When Shane played Scott Frost a race to 150 8 ball on a Diamond 7ft bar box, is high run was a 5 pack.....I can never figure out how players that have ran 10, 15...or even more racks as their claim to fame....can't win a major bar box turny.....LMAO
Most racks ever run on a Valley bar box
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When Shane played Scott Frost a race to 150 8 ball on a Diamond 7ft bar box, is high run was a 5 pack.....I can never figure out how players that have ran 10, 15...or even more racks as their claim to fame....can't win a major bar box turny.....LMAO
In a winner break format, there's hundreds of guys that could win a big bar box 8 ball tourney. Which is probably why they aren't promoted.
Shane played Cliff Joyner a long race, 8-ball on a Valley at Q-Masters...2006, I think...
...and I think it was a race to 25.
when I walked in, Shane ran the last 12 racks...never saw Cliff shoot.
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That really isn't what the expression means. It means that you lucked your way to running 3...so probably a lot of s*%t shots and total dumb luck. That is what the phrase means. If you "hit a gear", that is a very different situation. C- players don't have that gear. Plain and simple.
KMRUNOUT
Your comment brings another thought to my mind. What percentage of 9 balls on the break is pure luck?
Sometimes they seem to come easier if you are breaking good. Not too long ago, I made the 9 three times in a row in the same left corner pocket and made it several more times during that day. My opponent was racking.
Sunday I made it twice in a row and at least 3 so more times during the day.
My objective on the break is to hit solid and control the cue ball in the center, while bringing the one-ball up table. What happens after that is up to pool Gods.
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When Earl ran the 11 racks for the million dollars, he made the 9 on the break 5 times out of the 11 games.
http://lasvegassun.com/news/1996/may/31/million-dollar-jackpot-wont-affect-pool-pro/
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I won 22 straight on a 10 $ table 3 or 4 maybe at the xbo bought 3 shirts never played again
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I think the break and run % for the pros in that tournament was 50%.
Not all of the runouts were easy either- Orcullo makes some great outs in this match
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7GyLRwVTXE
high run and c players
I think I've run 5 racks on a valley 5-10 times. Not sure I've ever run more than 5 racks, but have done 5 racks a number. NOT take what you make, but open table after break.
I've had one winner break race to five where I won the flip and ran out the set.
One alternate break race to five where we both ran every rack and I won 5-4. Does that count?
Anyway, I agree with the gentleman that said racks are easy, streaks are not. The break shot is tough, and it's hard to get enough open breaks in a row to really keep the run going. Besides, if most play is in a tournament, there just aren't many options to keep your run going when it's all race to 5 or 7 or even 3.
FINALLY- the guy talking about how he's a C player that ran three racks, to me that is egotistical. He's basically saying most people think they are better than they really are, that just because they run a few racks they aren't a A or even a B player. And he's kind of implying that HIS standards are pure and difficult. And that while he runs 3 racks the first time he plays on a bar table his standards are so high he barely even registers, because he knows what real good pool is. He may not be able to play high level, but he can out do all of us in terms of setting the bar.
Seen it before, not interested. C players don't run three racks without getting their thumbs broken. And false humility is more egotistical than just admitting that we're competitive and are proud of our abilities.
I think I've run 5 racks on a valley 5-10 times. Not sure I've ever run more than 5 racks, but have done 5 racks a number. NOT take what you make, but open table after break.
I've had one winner break race to five where I won the flip and ran out the set.
One alternate break race to five where we both ran every rack and I won 5-4. Does that count?
Anyway, I agree with the gentleman that said racks are easy, streaks are not. The break shot is tough, and it's hard to get enough open breaks in a row to really keep the run going. Besides, if most play is in a tournament, there just aren't many options to keep your run going when it's all race to 5 or 7 or even 3.
FINALLY- the guy talking about how he's a C player that ran three racks, to me that is egotistical. He's basically saying most people think they are better than they really are, that just because they run a few racks they aren't a A or even a B player. And he's kind of implying that HIS standards are pure and difficult. And that while he runs 3 racks the first time he plays on a bar table his standards are so high he barely even registers, because he knows what real good pool is. He may not be able to play high level, but he can out do all of us in terms of setting the bar.
Seen it before, not interested. C players don't run three racks without getting their thumbs broken. And false humility is more egotistical than just admitting that we're competitive and are proud of our abilities.
I would think that because of clusters and limited space on the table the pros would have a better chance of a long B&R string on a 9' table. For amateurs shot making is less certain so a little luck with an open break and they are much less likely to miss a shot on a barbox.
I've done 4 on a barbox on multiple occasions. On a big table I've done 4 on two occasions I remember. But I've played a lot more winner breaks 8-ball on a barbox. A lot more.
I've done 4 on a barbox on multiple occasions. On a big table I've done 4 on two occasions I remember. But I've played a lot more winner breaks 8-ball on a barbox. A lot more.
A Valley table is 60 % the size of a nine foot table. Maybe for comparative purposes, only 60% of the balls should be used, which is 9.
This changes the breaks significantly, so it may still be apples and oranges.
Maybe 11 balls would be better. 10 ball rack with a lone ball in the back row.
This changes the breaks significantly, so it may still be apples and oranges.
Maybe 11 balls would be better. 10 ball rack with a lone ball in the back row.
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Back in the 80's Bobby Legg ran 13 racks of 8 ball on a bar table, it is usually said that he was a bar table specialist but it is well known around his home town of Princeton, Indiana that he once broke and ran two racks of snooker on a 10 foot table there. Princeton had a Murder's Row of players back in the 70's and 80's, another guy from there that grew up with Bobby and only one other person on this board would even know his name broke and ran 7 racks of last pocket 8 ball on a bar box in the early 2000's. He only plays snooker and rarely if ever even plays on a pool table.
Bobby Leggs ran a bar in the late 70s somewhere up in that are...forget the town
...he sorta had a 21 pack.
A road player came in with a stakehorse...
Bobby won the flip and ran 14....guys were broke.
..guy came back next day with another stakehorse...
...Bobby won the flip and ran a 7 pack.
...they were broke again.
Nobody knows how the guy plays in that town....
..Bobby told me "Maybe the guy can give me weight."
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justinb386
Banned
No, a C player can't break and run 3 racks. I do not believe it. Any player who can is not a C player (in my opinion).
Multiple Racks
Beware of multiple racks vs. this conversation I started. Some bars may have had an 8 foot bar table. There is a huge difference. The 8 foot coin op bar table is probably 10 times easier to run out than a 7 foot Valley. The spread of the table space decreases the chance of there being clusters. A 9 foot table for a pro would be quite easy.
Beware of multiple racks vs. this conversation I started. Some bars may have had an 8 foot bar table. There is a huge difference. The 8 foot coin op bar table is probably 10 times easier to run out than a 7 foot Valley. The spread of the table space decreases the chance of there being clusters. A 9 foot table for a pro would be quite easy.
justinb386
Banned
I am sorry, but I do not believe any of this. With 8 ball (and on a very small 7 foot bar table), there is usually at least 1 trouble ball that you need to break out to complete your run. If you broke and ran 12 racks straight, that is super strong. You are either a pro level player, or you got lay outs after the break that were not too difficult. 8 ball on a 9 foot table is a different story. Less chance for trouble balls, but still very difficult I think.
justinb386
Banned
Yeah, Shane ran an 8 pack, and Earl was complaining (lol) about the way that Shane was racking the balls.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dee4fgxEC68
I was very impressed, because many of them were not easy run outs.
Running racks is easier on a 9-foot?
....how come all the longest runs at 8-ball that I know of are on 7-footers?
...giving the break on a bar box is considered a MUCH stronger spot than on a 9-foot.......on a ten-foot, the 8 is thought to be stronger than the break.
...now a 3x6 is going too far....in 20 tries, by myself, I never ran one rack.
BTW, any packs I will mention in this thread are competitive...not too interested in how many racks a player can run in practise..( some are taking BIH after the break, also)
pt...wonders why Justin never PMed me at the DCC
In the south part of the Netherlands they play 8 ball on 6 footers with 8-9 cm pockets (3.15-3.5 inch pockets) and yes they have full size (57 mm/2.25 in) balls. Clusters galore, but I still averaged one BNR every week or so. Never saw more than a two pack in three years though.