Most racks ever run on a Valley bar box

cueenvy said:
I was watching a CSI 8 ball on youtube. The pros were running out so easy. Probably getting out well over 80 percent of racks. It was alternating break race to 9. ...
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Sounds like that might have been the US Open 8-Ball Championship, played in July, 2015. The B&R percentage for the 17 streamed matches in that event was 52%. Here is the my stats thread on that event: http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=403403

Also, see post #3 of that thread for a comparison of 8-Ball on 7-footers vs. 9-footers. Pretty similar stats.
 
cueenvy said:
On a day when you are running out a rack of 8 ball 70 percent of the time you have a 1.9 percent chance of a 12 pack. ...
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1.38%. Probably a typo or mindo led to your keying in 1.9 for that instead of 1.4.
 
AtLarge said:
Sounds like that might have been the US Open 8-Ball Championship, played in July, 2015. The B&R percentage for the 17 streamed matches in that event was 52%. Here is the my stats thread on that event: http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=403403

Also, see post #3 of that thread for a comparison of 8-Ball on 7-footers vs. 9-footers. Pretty similar stats.
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Do you have such comparisons for other games on 7' vs 9' tables? I really thought that the nine foot table would have been tougher, but stats don't lie. Thanks!
 
realkingcobra said:
Undocumented records will never be able to be beaten, even by the best players in the world today. All these 15-20 pack runners should without a problem, be able to spot SVB weight in a race to 20 playing bar box 8 ball. Everyone runs rack when no one is around to count them. Hell, I've even ran 7 racks of 8 ball on a GC3, Stevens cloth, not Simonis....in a race to 20 against Harry Plattis' years ago, plenty of witnesses too, as we all pooled our money together to play Harry for $5,000, $10,000 on the light. But you guys, with these 12,.15, 20+ runs on bar tables act like it's just a walk in the park....just shooting good one day....and out ran the Sun!!! Yep, everyone's a world beater....until they meet the real world that is, and wake up and realize it was just a dream!
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That is quite entertaining isn't it? It flat out amazes me that the best players in the world hang out on these forums.

All the stats I see posted here show that running out on a 7 footer isn't done much more than a 9 footer, yet people here are amazing at it. :sorry:

Here's a comparison of results from streamed 8-Ball matches played on 7-foot tables versus 9-foot tables.

A = 2015 US Open 8-Ball Championship (7-footers)
B = 2015 US Bar Table 8-Ball Championship (7-footers)
C = 2014 CSI Invitational 8-Ball Championship (9-footers)
D = 2014 Accu-Stats "Make It Happen" Invitational 8-Ball event (9-footers)


Break-and-run games:
A -- 52% (120 of 233)
B -- 44% (64 of 144)
C -- 54% (118 of 218)
D -- 50% (59 of 117)

Well look at that. The bar box has the lowest break and run stats. Clearly this couldn't be true as the bar box is just soooooooo easy.
 
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Skippy27 said:
That is quite entertaining isn't it? It flat out amazes me that the best players in the world hang out on these forums.

All the stats I see posted here show that running out on a 7 footer isn't done much more than a 9 footer, yet people here are amazing at it. :sorry:
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You ever watch top players on a 7 foot valley playing 9 ball? It's much easier to run out. The last half of the rack is simple. Where are these stats you are quoting?
 
five on the 5 and ten on the nine 9 ball

I saw an employee of a vending company run 5 racks of 9 ball on a valley in a weekly 9 ball ring game. all the guys were on the same vena team and the other 4 quit after the 5th rack so it stopped without a miss. They were playing 5 on the 5 and 10 on the 9.
 
Skippy27 said:
That is quite entertaining isn't it? It flat out amazes me that the best players in the world hang out on these forums.

All the stats I see posted here show that running out on a 7 footer isn't done much more than a 9 footer, yet people here are amazing at it. :sorry:

Here's a comparison of results from streamed 8-Ball matches played on 7-foot tables versus 9-foot tables.

A = 2015 US Open 8-Ball Championship (7-footers)
B = 2015 US Bar Table 8-Ball Championship (7-footers)
C = 2014 CSI Invitational 8-Ball Championship (9-footers)
D = 2014 Accu-Stats "Make It Happen" Invitational 8-Ball event (9-footers)


Break-and-run games:
A -- 52% (120 of 233)
B -- 44% (64 of 144)
C -- 54% (118 of 218)
D -- 50% (59 of 117)

Well look at that. The bar box has the lowest break and run stats. Clearly this couldn't be true as the bar box is just soooooooo easy.
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I'm sure I should look at At Large's posts to see if this is accounted for, but the two invitational events would have all top players, whereas often the earlier rounds of the other events would have players below that caliber.
 
The most I've run is 6 in 9 ball, was breaking good that day, got second in a 64 player tournament.

Was across two sets, ran the last 3 in one set, and the first 3 in the next set.

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cueenvy said:
You ever watch top players on a 7 foot valley playing 9 ball? It's much easier to run out. The last half of the rack is simple. Where are these stats you are quoting?
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Facts don't lie, and they don't BULLSHIT anyone, and the facts show at best a 52% break and run percent, but some players like I said, shooting from the couch are much better than the best Pro's in the world are. Where's YOUR proof to back up your claims?
 
cueenvy said:
On a day when you are running out a rack of 8 ball 70 percent of the time you have a 1.9 percent chance of a 12 pack. Something that is attainable. We are talking a Valley bar box.
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Got any facts or recorded DVDS to back that claim up?....or is that just your couch Pro observations;)
 
realkingcobra said:
Got any facts or recorded DVDS to back that claim up?....or is that just your couch Pro observations;)
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It happened. Sure many others have run over 10 on a bar box too.
I ran 138 in 14.1 on my home table....after playing the game in practice a few months. Why it bothers you so I can't understand. You are one strange bird...I mean snake.
 
cueenvy said:
It happened. Sure many others have run over 10 on a bar box too.
I ran 138 in 14.1 on my home table....after playing the game in practice a few months. Why it bothers you so I can't understand. You are one strange bird...I mean snake.
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Don't worry about it, I'm just allergic to bullshit;)
 
realkingcobra said:
Facts don't lie, and they don't BULLSHIT anyone, and the facts show at best a 52% break and run percent, but some players like I said, shooting from the couch are much better than the best Pro's in the world are. Where's YOUR proof to back up your claims?
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Glen, I'm still trying to love on you bro. I've run 7 racks 3 times - 9' - twice 7' once. This is not my normal....I have an alignment problem, when I'm in stroke, I excell. When I'm not...
Jason
 
jasonlaus said:
Glen, I'm still trying to love on you bro. I've run 7 racks 3 times - 9' - twice 7' once. This is not my normal....I have an alignment problem, when I'm in stroke, I excell. When I'm not...
Jason
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I'm not saying it can't be done, I'm just calling BS on the peanut gallery with claims of 12, 15, 20+ runs like there's no problem in doing so, when the best players in the world fail to produce such high rack runs, and those that actually can....we all have seen them play!
 
jalapus logan said:
Do you have such comparisons for other games on 7' vs 9' tables? I really thought that the nine foot table would have been tougher, but stats don't lie. Thanks!
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I haven't kept stats for many 9- or 10-Ball events on 7-footers.

One 7-foot 9-Ball event that I did track was last year's Big Tyme Classic from Texas. My stats thread on that event is here: http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=399126. I was asked then how the stats for that event stacked up against stats from big tables. My answer was as follows.

It varies quite a bit from event to event on 9-footers, depending on where the balls are racked, whether a racking template is being used, and whether they must break from a box (and, if so, the size of the box).

But the 81% for successful breaks and 36% for B&R games in this event are higher than in most 9-Ball events on 9-footers.

Another measure of how difficult the tables are is the percentage of run-outs by whoever is at the table after the break, whether it is the breaker after a successful break or the non-breaker after the breaker's fouled or dry break. That figure for the 15 matches on the 7-footers at Big Tyme was 47%. Here are some comparable figures (based on only the matches I watched) for three fairly recent 9-Ball events using 9-footers:
• 2014 WPA World 9-Ball Championship -- 41%
• Turning Stone XXIII 9-Ball Classic -- 36%
• 2015 DCC 9-Ball -- 39%.
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realkingcobra said:
I'm not saying it can't be done, I'm just calling BS on the peanut gallery with claims of 12, 15, 20+ runs like there's no problem in doing so, when the best players in the world fail to produce such high rack runs, and those that actually can....we all have seen them play!
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Again Glen....how many winner break pro tournament races to 16 or more are conducted on a 7 foot Valley ? They are alternating break, race to maybe 9. So you are right ...it never happens.
 
AtLarge said:
I haven't kept stats for many 9- or 10-Ball events on 7-footers.

One 7-foot 9-Ball event that I did track was last year's Big Tyme Classic from Texas. My stats thread on that event is here: http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=399126. I was asked then how the stats for that event stacked up against stats from big tables. My answer was as follows.
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Thanks again for this. So it looks like your data suggests that 8 ball is about the same level of difficulty on either a 7' or 9' table, but that 9 or 10 ball on a 7' table is measurably easier (though still not as much different as I would have thought).
 
Well I'd like to add another factor. Playing in an actual bar can be an extreme difference than playing on a 7' tournament table in a tournament setting. I've been playing in bars for 35 years and some of the equipment and conditions are miserable at best in many places. From having to use a short stick, people in the way, cracked/gummed up balls, bad rails, bad cloth, unleveled tables,etc., there's really no comparison. I would be willing to wager a substantial bet that there are bar tables that no man on planet earth is going to run 20 consecutive racks on. This is my opinion based on some tables I have played on through the years.
 
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