CJ ... I haven't seen Danny Basavich's name mentioned and that might be because he came later. Have you ever played Kid Delicious?
Mr. CJ Wiley, questions and answers thread, ask what you want to know?
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he faced the camera and "apologized" to all the suckers he'd beat through the years.
I used to practice with Dick Lane occasionally, he didn't like playing 9 Ball with me because of the break factor, so we'd play 15 Ball (just like 9 Ball, but you had to make the 15 to win). We practiced this for two days in a row and on the second day I hit a "gear" and ran 6 racks (not in a row) in a race to 11 winning 11/2.....we never played again. Dick was a very solid player and capable of beating anyone a set or two, he just didn't understand the TOI.
Bob Vanover made his mark before I moved to Texas and we've only played once, but Bob was way past his prime. He still played great when he was in his 70s, and can still run out racks today in his 80s, he really is amazing!
UJ Puckett - I was around UJ quite a bit for periods of time back in the early to mid 80s in Ft. Worth Tx. We actually put him in the Texas Hall of Fame and I have the painting of him from that event right here. He was a character for sure and was even on '60 Minutes' in a funny episode about his hustling.....I think at one time he faced the camera and "apologized" to all the suckers he'd beat through the years. :thumbup: .....priceless
I used to practice with Dick Lane occasionally, he didn't like playing 9 Ball with me because of the break factor, so we'd play 15 Ball (just like 9 Ball, but you had to make the 15 to win). We practiced this for two days in a row and on the second day I hit a "gear" and ran 6 racks (not in a row) in a race to 11 winning 11/2.....we never played again. Dick was a very solid player and capable of beating anyone a set or two, he just didn't understand the TOI.
Bob Vanover made his mark before I moved to Texas and we've only played once, but Bob was way past his prime. He still played great when he was in his 70s, and can still run out racks today in his 80s, he really is amazing!
UJ Puckett - I was around UJ quite a bit for periods of time back in the early to mid 80s in Ft. Worth Tx. We actually put him in the Texas Hall of Fame and I have the painting of him from that event right here. He was a character for sure and was even on '60 Minutes' in a funny episode about his hustling.....I think at one time he faced the camera and "apologized" to all the suckers he'd beat through the years. :thumbup: .....priceless
a TV show that is like a "Hell's Kitchen" involving pool rooms
I have found some favorable locations in the Ft. Worth/Mid Cities area of DFW. I think it's about time to open another CJ's Billiard Palace and promote pool full time again.
The best time to open a pool related concept is in October or November so I'll keep everyone updated. I'm being offered an opportunity to do a TV show that is like a "Hell's Kitchen" involving pool rooms. I'm meeting with the Producer this coming Tuesday to see what's involved.
I like the idea and it's right up my alley, my intentions are to help pool room owners that are struggling with their operations/management and advertising asap. We'll probably start off with pool rooms that are interested close to the Dallas/Ft. Worth area.
This could be a lot of fun, and a good business cause, I'm confident I can raise any pool room's revenue over 30% and save them 15-20% in costs as well.
I have found some favorable locations in the Ft. Worth/Mid Cities area of DFW. I think it's about time to open another CJ's Billiard Palace and promote pool full time again.
The best time to open a pool related concept is in October or November so I'll keep everyone updated. I'm being offered an opportunity to do a TV show that is like a "Hell's Kitchen" involving pool rooms. I'm meeting with the Producer this coming Tuesday to see what's involved.
I like the idea and it's right up my alley, my intentions are to help pool room owners that are struggling with their operations/management and advertising asap. We'll probably start off with pool rooms that are interested close to the Dallas/Ft. Worth area.
This could be a lot of fun, and a good business cause, I'm confident I can raise any pool room's revenue over 30% and save them 15-20% in costs as well.
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Mr. English,
I am going to have to watch you now that you have learned, TOI from the TOI Master himself, Captain CJ Wiley.
Many Regards,
Lock N Load.
our business model's different than the "traditional" way of tournaments
I don't plan on starting a "Men's Tour" like has been done before and I did back in 1996. I do have a way to promote Professional Pool on TV, however, it's not in the "traditional" way. I believe in paying every player at least their expenses, so our business model's different than putting on tournaments where only a small percentage of the field can make profit.
I have several practice drills in the 'Billiards Inside Secrets' that I personally use. I like practicing 9 Ball to reach an extra rail every shot, I also play "caroms" with two balls to develop more touch/feel, I believe straight pool is great to practice for concentration and consistency, I practice with 2 pound weights on my wrists for stability and body angle strength, and of course my favorite is using the sword I have to groove a super straight stroke. I use it like a regular pool cue and practice keeping the blade straight up and down and utilizing very strict forearm/wrist/hand motion.
Practicing the TOI Technique is ideal for your precision and accuracy. You will get immediate feed back and learn how the cue ball reacts to deflection and spin on a level you can learn no other way (that can be used to play with). Go to the "aiming system" and there's some posts by other players currently using TOI that are very well written.
There's free videos and more info on my web site www.cjwiley.com ....I also answer hundreds of pool related questions and set up private lessons at thegameistheteacher@gmail.com
I don't plan on starting a "Men's Tour" like has been done before and I did back in 1996. I do have a way to promote Professional Pool on TV, however, it's not in the "traditional" way. I believe in paying every player at least their expenses, so our business model's different than putting on tournaments where only a small percentage of the field can make profit.
I have several practice drills in the 'Billiards Inside Secrets' that I personally use. I like practicing 9 Ball to reach an extra rail every shot, I also play "caroms" with two balls to develop more touch/feel, I believe straight pool is great to practice for concentration and consistency, I practice with 2 pound weights on my wrists for stability and body angle strength, and of course my favorite is using the sword I have to groove a super straight stroke. I use it like a regular pool cue and practice keeping the blade straight up and down and utilizing very strict forearm/wrist/hand motion.
Practicing the TOI Technique is ideal for your precision and accuracy. You will get immediate feed back and learn how the cue ball reacts to deflection and spin on a level you can learn no other way (that can be used to play with). Go to the "aiming system" and there's some posts by other players currently using TOI that are very well written.
There's free videos and more info on my web site www.cjwiley.com ....I also answer hundreds of pool related questions and set up private lessons at thegameistheteacher@gmail.com
Dalton
Hi CJ...
When I was growing up in San Francisco and learning pool, the biggest pool name out of Chinatown was Dalton Leong. You said in another thread that you knew him....I don't remember ever seeing him play (maybe he had moved away by the time I was into pool).....can you tell me about his playing ability or speed?
How did it compare with the great pros you have played......was he about shortstop speed? Thanks
Hi CJ...
When I was growing up in San Francisco and learning pool, the biggest pool name out of Chinatown was Dalton Leong. You said in another thread that you knew him....I don't remember ever seeing him play (maybe he had moved away by the time I was into pool).....can you tell me about his playing ability or speed?
How did it compare with the great pros you have played......was he about shortstop speed? Thanks
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Hey CJ, did you ever make it to Albuquerque? Ever play Cowboy Jimmy Moore or Louie Royball or Louie Coriell?
edit: Also...here's a poolhall that needs help ASAP! http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=317794
edit: Also...here's a poolhall that needs help ASAP! http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=317794
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"there isn't even anyone in here right now, of course no one's as good as you."
This is a great idea, it's difficult to write about some of these road stories. I may do a tour of a couple of road trips I did with Omaha John, Dalton Leong, Junior Weldon, Strong Arm John, and some various girls I traveled with that were very valuable "assets".
I used to have a red, white and blue pool case and I'd walk in a pool room with a knock out girl right after they opened in the day time.
We'd walk up to the guy behind the bar and I'd say "I'm really good, is anyone as good as me?"....and the guy would look at me, then at the girl....then at the girl...then back to me and I'd say again "I'm really good, is anyone as good as me?" and the guy would say "good at what?"
I'd reply "I'm the best at pool, is anyone as good as me?" the guy would look all puzzled and say "there isn't even anyone in here right now, of course no one's as good as you."
I'd look at the girl with a big smile and say "I told you know one is as good as me, you said you wanted the best and now you've got the best you lucky girl." :thumbup:
I'd grab her hand and head for the door, they've NEVER let me get completely to the front door.
"Say, did you want to gamble playing pool?"
I'd stop and turn around, "is there anyone around that's good enough to gamble with me?" the guy would offer to call someone and the trap was set and this trap caught some mighty big fish.
It never worked for me to tell them I couldn't play, or haven't been playing, but when I said "I'm the best," they would line up to play. It's a funny thing about human nature, even ironic that many suckers would "rather climb a tree to hear a lie than stand on the ground to hear the truth." 'The Game is the Teacher'
This is a great idea, it's difficult to write about some of these road stories. I may do a tour of a couple of road trips I did with Omaha John, Dalton Leong, Junior Weldon, Strong Arm John, and some various girls I traveled with that were very valuable "assets".
I used to have a red, white and blue pool case and I'd walk in a pool room with a knock out girl right after they opened in the day time.
We'd walk up to the guy behind the bar and I'd say "I'm really good, is anyone as good as me?"....and the guy would look at me, then at the girl....then at the girl...then back to me and I'd say again "I'm really good, is anyone as good as me?" and the guy would say "good at what?"
I'd reply "I'm the best at pool, is anyone as good as me?" the guy would look all puzzled and say "there isn't even anyone in here right now, of course no one's as good as you."
I'd look at the girl with a big smile and say "I told you know one is as good as me, you said you wanted the best and now you've got the best you lucky girl." :thumbup:
I'd grab her hand and head for the door, they've NEVER let me get completely to the front door.
"Say, did you want to gamble playing pool?"
I'd stop and turn around, "is there anyone around that's good enough to gamble with me?" the guy would offer to call someone and the trap was set and this trap caught some mighty big fish.
It never worked for me to tell them I couldn't play, or haven't been playing, but when I said "I'm the best," they would line up to play. It's a funny thing about human nature, even ironic that many suckers would "rather climb a tree to hear a lie than stand on the ground to hear the truth."
'The Game is the Teacher'
C.J,
A few months ago I recall you mentioning that TOI was one of three known methods of effectively stroking the cue ball. I'll assume one of the other methods is center ball hit. So what's the third method?
A few months ago I recall you mentioning that TOI was one of three known methods of effectively stroking the cue ball. I'll assume one of the other methods is center ball hit. So what's the third method?
Can you please start with the pool rooms in Dallas, it would be nice to play somewhere with quality equipment again.
a systematic way to calculate speed, angle and cue ball target for each shot/shots.
I said there were three styles or systems of play, not three stoking methods. TOI is a system of play, this means there is a systematic way to calculate speed, shot angle and cue ball target for each shot.
Most art forms have mathematical qualities, even music, which has a few themes and many variations on those themes. Many players think there's "4000 shots" in the game of pool, I see it as having less variables because I break it down into "themes and variations". I know this isn't literally true, however, I strive to see one shot theme 'there are no hard shots or easy shots there are just shots". At the highest level this becomes clear, because we are following the same procedure for each shot (when possible). If this sounds "far out" or esoteric, just put it on the shelf.
The Touch of Inside Technique makes the game much less complicated because it blends the three playing characteristics into one system of play. That's why, when it's understood, the game becomes the teacher. The game will quickly indicate what the correct shot it is by narrowing the choices, however first you must have the "map of TOI". I've described many parts of this "map" and the TOI VIDEO describes and explains more.
Within a reasonable amount of time a person can have a virtual billiard "Atlas" of pool shots at their beckoned call. This is something that must be experienced like many are "Real Eyesing" in the past few weeks, their games will not be the same with this new understanding.
If this sound "far out" or esoteric, just put it on the shelf for future reference. 'The Game is the Teacher'
I said there were three styles or systems of play, not three stoking methods. TOI is a system of play, this means there is a systematic way to calculate speed, shot angle and cue ball target for each shot.
Most art forms have mathematical qualities, even music, which has a few themes and many variations on those themes. Many players think there's "4000 shots" in the game of pool, I see it as having less variables because I break it down into "themes and variations". I know this isn't literally true, however, I strive to see one shot theme 'there are no hard shots or easy shots there are just shots". At the highest level this becomes clear, because we are following the same procedure for each shot (when possible). If this sounds "far out" or esoteric, just put it on the shelf.
The Touch of Inside Technique makes the game much less complicated because it blends the three playing characteristics into one system of play. That's why, when it's understood, the game becomes the teacher. The game will quickly indicate what the correct shot it is by narrowing the choices, however first you must have the "map of TOI". I've described many parts of this "map" and the TOI VIDEO describes and explains more.
Within a reasonable amount of time a person can have a virtual billiard "Atlas" of pool shots at their beckoned call.
This is something that must be experienced like many are "Real Eyesing" in the past few weeks, their games will not be the same with this new understanding.If this sound "far out" or esoteric, just put it on the shelf for future reference. 'The Game is the Teacher'
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Captain CJ,
I was talking to a friend tonight about you in the worlds pool hall while a match for 15,000 Rabbits, was going on. Richie Richeson VS Josh Roberts. In the back there was a match going on for 1,000 Rabbits and no one was watching that match except the guys playing in it. I wont even mention the other small matches going on at the same time.
Now back to the subject of the talk about you, Capt. CJ. I said to the friend that you could beat Richie Richeson playing 9 ball, but you could not beat him playing one pocket! Man, this started something, He told me to ask a friend of his what he thought about this. They both said that you could Richie any way you played him.
When I left the worlds pool hall tonight, Cliff Joyner was playing Jeff P. I did not even know how they were playing and for how much. Big matches over power the small matches.
Capt. CJ,
I am calling you Captain because you were the Captain of the world Mosconi cup pool team. You earned the title for sure. I thank you for all of the things you do for the pool world, and pool players all over the world. The game is the teacher.
Many Regards,
Lock N Load.
I was talking to a friend tonight about you in the worlds pool hall while a match for 15,000 Rabbits, was going on. Richie Richeson VS Josh Roberts. In the back there was a match going on for 1,000 Rabbits and no one was watching that match except the guys playing in it. I wont even mention the other small matches going on at the same time.
Now back to the subject of the talk about you, Capt. CJ. I said to the friend that you could beat Richie Richeson playing 9 ball, but you could not beat him playing one pocket! Man, this started something, He told me to ask a friend of his what he thought about this. They both said that you could Richie any way you played him.
When I left the worlds pool hall tonight, Cliff Joyner was playing Jeff P. I did not even know how they were playing and for how much. Big matches over power the small matches.
Capt. CJ,
I am calling you Captain because you were the Captain of the world Mosconi cup pool team. You earned the title for sure. I thank you for all of the things you do for the pool world, and pool players all over the world. The game is the teacher.
Many Regards,
Lock N Load.
Is rabbits a secret code word.
more action than every other place in the country combined it sounds like.
I'm not a One Pocket player like Richie is, he plays that game really well. I played him one time (one pocket) back when I was playing all the time with Wade Crane (Billy Johnson) coaching me. Last time I saw Richie a few weeks ago in Houston he said he'd play me with a coach again. I'd need one against him, I've only played about 10% of the One Pocket that he has.
I do think he has his hands full playing me 9 Ball, and there's only one way to find out. There will be a time I come down there for a few days and see if I can sharpen up my game. The 'World's Pool Hall' in New Orleans has more action than every other place in the country combined it sounds like.
I'm not a One Pocket player like Richie is, he plays that game really well. I played him one time (one pocket) back when I was playing all the time with Wade Crane (Billy Johnson) coaching me. Last time I saw Richie a few weeks ago in Houston he said he'd play me with a coach again. I'd need one against him, I've only played about 10% of the One Pocket that he has.
I do think he has his hands full playing me 9 Ball, and there's only one way to find out.
There will be a time I come down there for a few days and see if I can sharpen up my game. The 'World's Pool Hall' in New Orleans has more action than every other place in the country combined it sounds like.I said there were three styles or systems of play, not three stoking methods. TOI is a system of play, this means there is a systematic way to calculate speed, shot angle and cue ball target for each shot.
Most art forms have mathematical qualities, even music, which has a few themes and many variations on those themes. Many players think there's "4000 shots" in the game of pool, I see it as having less variables because I break it down into "themes and variations". I know this isn't literally true, however, I strive to see one shot theme 'there are no hard shots or easy shots there are just shots". At the highest level this becomes clear, because we are following the same procedure for each shot (when possible). If this sounds "far out" or esoteric, just put it on the shelf.
The Touch of Inside Technique makes the game much less complicated because it blends the three playing characteristics into one system of play. That's why, when it's understood, the game becomes the teacher. The game will quickly indicate what the correct shot it is by narrowing the choices, however first you must have the "map of TOI". I've described many parts of this "map" and the TOI VIDEO describes and explains more.
Within a reasonable amount of time a person can have a virtual billiard "Atlas" of pool shots at their beckoned call.
If this sound "far out" or esoteric, just put it on the shelf for future reference. 'The Game is the Teacher'
Hi CJ, it is your own forum/post here, i hate to disagree, but you keep throwing the bait out. Every pool player has to graduate from the "4000 shots possibilities university" before they start their master or PhD in TOI. TOI is a high level form of play and mostly favors 9 or 10 ball IMO i am not saying it is bad it is certainly "many tools in one" .
Speaking of road stories, will be nice to have you and other pros in one room telling stories about the past, i would buy that DVD ,,
It's a conundrum
I take it you're not a musician. Playing pool is like conducting a symphony, there are thousands of notes played, but there are only a few themes and variations which make up those thousands of notes.
This is very similar to pool, and yes you do have to learn the different variables, it's just easier to learn the structure first, then put the rest together. The most important thing is to have the ability to hit the cue ball straight, then you reach a level that you play better by not hitting the cue ball straight. It's a conundrum.
And yes, the stories of the road and gambling is what the many people can relate to (even if they don't play pool) as funny as that seems.
I take it you're not a musician.
Playing pool is like conducting a symphony, there are thousands of notes played, but there are only a few themes and variations which make up those thousands of notes. This is very similar to pool, and yes you do have to learn the different variables, it's just easier to learn the structure first, then put the rest together. The most important thing is to have the ability to hit the cue ball straight, then you reach a level that you play better by not hitting the cue ball straight. It's a conundrum.
And yes, the stories of the road and gambling is what the many people can relate to (even if they don't play pool) as funny as that seems.
I was named after a distant relative Kit Carson
Is this question really coming from "Mr. Bond"......Mr. James Bond?
I was named after a distant relative Kit Carson (an old west "straight shooter"), the J stands for nothing but J, just so I could be called "CJ" was the info I got and it turns out it's true.
Carson J Wiley ... and as funny as it seems I hardly ever used my real name on the road, it was always "Mike," "Chris," "Butch," but rarely Carson.
Is this question really coming from "Mr. Bond"......Mr. James Bond?
I was named after a distant relative Kit Carson (an old west "straight shooter"), the J stands for nothing but J, just so I could be called "CJ" was the info I got and it turns out it's true.
Carson J Wiley ... and as funny as it seems I hardly ever used my real name on the road, it was always "Mike," "Chris," "Butch," but rarely Carson.