Multiple fouls in one stroke???

[Pangit]

Let's say you are snooked and kicking at the only object you have.. Swing and a miss, and then the offending party grabs the cue ball before it's gonna break up a cluster of balls to "his" advantage. What's the ruling, "two" fouls like Black Ball?

It's happened to me more than once, most recently earlier this week. How does that apply to 7/8/9/10 ball?

And these Pinoy's know what they are doing when it comes to pool.

 

[cuesblues]

If some picks up the cueball before it stops rolling it is loss of game.
Not always enforced, but if it was a move to try and prevent a cluster from an obvious breakout I would call it.

 

[davidhop]

Let's say you are snooked and kicking at the only object you have.. Swing and a miss, and then the offending party grabs the cue ball before it's gonna break up a cluster of balls to "his" advantage. What's the ruling, "two" fouls like Black Ball?

It's happened to me more than once, most recently earlier this week. How does that apply to 7/8/9/10 ball?

And these Pinoy's know what they are doing when it comes to pool.

Touching a ball so that it interferes with the layout of the table is instant loss of game...I think this falls under "unsportsmanlike conduct"

 

[Papa Red]

Let's say you are snooked and kicking at the only object you have.. Swing and a miss, and then the offending party grabs the cue ball before it's gonna break up a cluster of balls to "his" advantage. What's the ruling, "two" fouls like Black Ball?

It's happened to me more than once, most recently earlier this week. How does that apply to 7/8/9/10 ball?

And these Pinoy's know what they are doing when it comes to pool.

Don't understand this comment! If breaking up the cluster was to your opponents advantage he would not have picked up the ball, he must have seen something you missed. If playing three fouls, was he trying to accomplish this by playing another safe on you.

 

[Johnnyt]

Mika grabs the cb before it stops a lot and never loses a game over it. If these rules were enforced it would stop quickly if not sooner. Johnnyt

 

[thefonz]

here's an example

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsXohTeXmVM

 

[easy-e]

Don't understand this comment! If breaking up the cluster was to your opponents advantage he would not have picked up the ball, he must have seen something you missed. If playing three fouls, was he trying to accomplish this by playing another safe on you.

By "offending party" he meant the guy who just shot the ball and fouled.

 

[Papa Red]

By "offending party" he meant the guy who just shot the ball and fouled.

OK, mis read the statement! But still "to his advantage" is confusing as to what the situation was and in what type game (8,9, or 10 ball).

 

[stumpie71]

OK, mis read the statement! But still "to his advantage" is confusing as to what the situation was and in what type game (8,9, or 10 ball).

The person that fouled does not want to break open the cluster(s) and leave an open table while giving their opponent ball in hand. It is to his advantage to leave the table as messed up as possible hoping to prevent a run out.

 

[Bob Jewett]

Let's say you are snooked and kicking at the only object you have.. Swing and a miss, and then the offending party grabs the cue ball before it's gonna break up a cluster of balls to "his" advantage. What's the ruling, "two" fouls like Black Ball?

It's happened to me more than once, most recently earlier this week. How does that apply to 7/8/9/10 ball?

And these Pinoy's know what they are doing when it comes to pool.

Unsportsmanlike conduct. Eviction from the event and forfeiture of all prize money and ranking points.

In a bar-room environment, ask the bartender what the rule is. Good luck.

The only way a player is allowed to change the positions of the balls on the table is by hitting the cue ball with a stroke of the cue stick. It is perhaps a fine point, but preventing a shot from finishing is changing the position on the table.

 

[AtLarge]

Unsportsmanlike conduct. Eviction from the event and forfeiture of all prize money and ranking points. ...

Bob, the penalty is up to the referee, right? I guess you're saying that if you were the referee in this instance, you would choose the maximum penalty.

 

[Celtic]

Let's say you are snooked and kicking at the only object you have.. Swing and a miss, and then the offending party grabs the cue ball before it's gonna break up a cluster of balls to "his" advantage. What's the ruling, "two" fouls like Black Ball?

There is no two fouls. The cueball had not stopped rolling so you technically have not missed the kick as of yet unless you hit a different object ball.

It is a foul for the incomming player to grab the cueball when it is still in motion whether it is going to hit other balls or not. That rule is made that cut and dry so that argiuements on whether the cueball "would" have moved something become a non-issue, you do not touch the cueball until all the balls on the table come to rest.

Technically the incomming player screwed up royally and gave you ball in hand. If they did it with the intention of actually stopping the breaking up of the cluster on purpose it gets into unsportsmanlike conduct and an automatic loss of game.

 

[Celtic]

The person that fouled does not want to break open the cluster(s) and leave an open table while giving their opponent ball in hand. It is to his advantage to leave the table as messed up as possible hoping to prevent a run out.

In rotational pool most of the time that would be true. But what if that cluster includes the 9 and it is a dead straight combo off of a low numbered ball? The incomming player could certainly want to keep a 4-9 combo on in that cluster, especially if the 6 and 7 are tied up on a rail in a different cluster.

If you are playing 8-ball this does not have to be true at all.

There are ALOT of situations in all the various games where the incomming player might not want that cluster broken up.

 

[Bob Jewett]

Bob, the penalty is up to the referee, right? I guess you're saying that if you were the referee in this instance, you would choose the maximum penalty.

Yes, it is up to the referee. I think the minimum is loss of the game. Players can reasonably be expected to know the rules.

 

[Inaction]

I believe it is a foul to pick up the cue ball even after an obvious foul, other than a scratch, without calling the foul and/or acknowledgement from the person who committed the foul.

I was always careful to get the "ok" from my opponent before picking up the cueball. Have seen too many who take advantage of rules like this.

One year, there was discussion between two of the better players in the state about whether kicking at your opponent's ball and making it would be a loss of game. The rule stated that shooting "directly at the ball" was a loss. They ended up flipping a coin.

Other incident.. Players are trying to freeze up the 8 ball to the rail. Each tapping it lightly. Player A takes his turn, Player B takes a look at the the ball and states that it is froze. Player B then taps the ball again. His argument was that Player A must state that the ball is frozen in order for it to be a foul.

Dirty pool, in my opinion

 

[Jaden]

Not dirty pool...

I believe it is a foul to pick up the cue ball even after an obvious foul, other than a scratch, without calling the foul and/or acknowledgement from the person who committed the foul.

I was always careful to get the "ok" from my opponent before picking up the cueball. Have seen too many who take advantage of rules like this.

One year, there was discussion between two of the better players in the state about whether kicking at your opponent's ball and making it would be a loss of game. The rule stated that shooting "directly at the ball" was a loss. They ended up flipping a coin.

Other incident.. Players are trying to freeze up the 8 ball to the rail. Each tapping it lightly. Player A takes his turn, Player B takes a look at the the ball and states that it is froze. Player B then taps the ball again. His argument was that Player A must state that the ball is frozen in order for it to be a foul.

Dirty pool, in my opinion

That's semantic bullsh4it and if a player tried that with me they'd find themselves froze to the floor.

JAden