Pool, is to a significant degree, 2 dimensional. Nearly all the consistency in aiming is built into the equipment. Muscle memory happens due to the requirement of muscles to poke at the white ball.
My aiming system is guessing....who use the Guessing System?
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smiling_Hans
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I have made a diagram that shows what my aiming system is. I will answer questions as they come in.
Step 1: line up the two balls
Step 2: locate path of object ball in pocket
Step 3: You guess you’re going to hit that point
Eventually you will get so use to this system, a system of no system, and not even think about lining up the ball.
I grew up learning how to play by skipping straight to step 3. Eventually you just skip the steps and locate step 3 the contact point and try your best to hit it with whatever English you want to get to the next ball.
If you have any questions ask me.
Step 1: line up the two balls
Step 2: locate path of object ball in pocket
Step 3: You guess you’re going to hit that point
Eventually you will get so use to this system, a system of no system, and not even think about lining up the ball.
I grew up learning how to play by skipping straight to step 3. Eventually you just skip the steps and locate step 3 the contact point and try your best to hit it with whatever English you want to get to the next ball.
If you have any questions ask me.
What I think the best part of aiming by feel is that it's completely transferable to other players so they can achieve these "never miss" days at the table like the one claiming it here.
Runout after runout, rack after rack, guys carrying them around the room and to the car in the parking lot on their shoulders while chanting Irish fight songs.
150 and out in straight pool; 9 straight racks of 9 ball. The only problem is, nobody can be an instructor to help somebody else out because "feel" can't be explained. As soon as you attempt explaining what you see, it immediately turns into a SYSTEM that's already been created and around for over 100 years. It could be a contact point on the OB, a fraction, a light, a shadow, an arrow, etc. But if there's a contact point on the OB, there also has to be a contact point on the CB which is on the other side closest to the OB and cannot be seen. That's where imagination comes into play. Or is it feel?
It's amazing how various top pro players like SVB talk about THEIR aiming system and describe it but the all-knowing members of a pool forum who couldn't even win a rack claim that he's making it up, full of shit, it couldn't possibly work as he states it because... ya-da-ya-da-ya-da-ya-da.
Ho-hum. Just another day of debunking the wannabe and professional debunkers. And as Michael Buffer used to say at the start of a match...LETS GET IT ON!!
Runout after runout, rack after rack, guys carrying them around the room and to the car in the parking lot on their shoulders while chanting Irish fight songs.150 and out in straight pool; 9 straight racks of 9 ball. The only problem is, nobody can be an instructor to help somebody else out because "feel" can't be explained. As soon as you attempt explaining what you see, it immediately turns into a SYSTEM that's already been created and around for over 100 years. It could be a contact point on the OB, a fraction, a light, a shadow, an arrow, etc. But if there's a contact point on the OB, there also has to be a contact point on the CB which is on the other side closest to the OB and cannot be seen. That's where imagination comes into play. Or is it feel?
It's amazing how various top pro players like SVB talk about THEIR aiming system and describe it but the all-knowing members of a pool forum who couldn't even win a rack claim that he's making it up, full of shit, it couldn't possibly work as he states it because... ya-da-ya-da-ya-da-ya-da.
Ho-hum. Just another day of debunking the wannabe and professional debunkers. And as Michael Buffer used to say at the start of a match...LETS GET IT ON!!
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How much do you charge for lessons and what tournaments or how much money have you won?
smiling_Hans
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This is a tried and true system.
Perhaps, I'm on another level because that is how I learned to play.
This aiming system is perfect for beginners. You have more of a chance to be a lights out player with this 'system' than any.
I'm thinking you mean: "You guess that's the point you need to hit"
Why people think u can or even want to hit point on ball. I was doing it when i learn to play and sometimes until CJ said you can´t pick a point from round object and be consistent. After that I never looked contact point of object ball. If you take point even little wrong height u got it wrong, it is just hard to do. I watch direction where i want object ball to go but never point on ball(which is in theory the same but not..) and it looks like im checking point on ball but i am not. I think it is one thing that prevents many people to higher level. They pay attention to wrong things and blame stroke mechanics from failure.
In my defense, I was editing his words in an effort to grasp his 'non-system'.
Spinning it around in my mind. I want to say that I perceive my aim via overlap. I get pretty low in my stance, so judging cut angle based on CB/OB overlap seems to work well for me. Like anything else though. It takes some extensive practice to reach HAMB proficiency.
I suppose I don't really aim. I try to mentally simulate the outcome of all involved balls on the table. When I have the discipline to do this I can make amazing shots. When I get tired and lazy and don't do this, I start missing.
It is hard not to get tired and become lazy.
Having a body and stroke that stays aligned even when you are mentally exhausted is a big deal.
It is hard not to get tired and become lazy.
Having a body and stroke that stays aligned even when you are mentally exhausted is a big deal.
That's the way Joe Davis did it. Both parts. He played OK.
Yep. Just like the method 3-20-5 is an overlap. Tyler Styer plays OK also by using that. 3-time Mosconi Cup team player.
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Hey, you're behind the times: 5 yrs. now for Styer -- 2018-2019, 2021-2023!
DAMN man! I guess I am! Those against it here will still kick him in the nuts, the creators of the system, those who use it, and those who just bring it up on this forum to talk about.
THANKS for the correction!!
This is why billiards needs a standard fitness plan so everyone knows how to move their body with a purpose.
I tried posting a video on my yt, I won't be a DrDave and post the link. If you want to see it, I got experience from Times Square dancers/choreographers to teach me basic movement exercises. Some of the artists performed/chorepgraphed with Britney Spears or K7.
I also work at a college and have been observing other sports programs.
Billiards is in a state of ancient technology, while golf has had multiple innovations within a year. Their tech development cycle is strong.
Billiard athletes have to learn their arm, wrist and stances. Bridging is for advanced people. Cue stroking should be last.
Just like firearms training, they have to put the hours in first with the dummy stick.
They have to read table layouts before they start playing. Academic exercises. Its called literacy.
Conversation is a big role, I leave that to the pros.
I tried posting a video on my yt, I won't be a DrDave and post the link. If you want to see it, I got experience from Times Square dancers/choreographers to teach me basic movement exercises. Some of the artists performed/chorepgraphed with Britney Spears or K7.
I also work at a college and have been observing other sports programs.
Billiards is in a state of ancient technology, while golf has had multiple innovations within a year. Their tech development cycle is strong.
Billiard athletes have to learn their arm, wrist and stances. Bridging is for advanced people. Cue stroking should be last.
Just like firearms training, they have to put the hours in first with the dummy stick.
They have to read table layouts before they start playing. Academic exercises. Its called literacy.
Conversation is a big role, I leave that to the pros.
skiergd011013
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Thoughts about this rail first system? Anyone have anything better?
It's your basic mirror image system. He's got some of the terminology backwards. Like on the bottom rail kick he calls running english, inside english and has the wrong explanation for how the shot works.
I center the reflection on the ball line and not the nose of the cushion. I also will roll these shots center ball unless something else is required of the shot. I think it's important to learn these rail firsts with no english. It's a very important base parameter. You'll have to learn to hit higher - closer to you, to compensate but the idea is to internalize how the ball actually works in a rail first shot. Same reason basic pocketing is taught center ball first.
I center the reflection on the ball line and not the nose of the cushion. I also will roll these shots center ball unless something else is required of the shot. I think it's important to learn these rail firsts with no english. It's a very important base parameter. You'll have to learn to hit higher - closer to you, to compensate but the idea is to internalize how the ball actually works in a rail first shot. Same reason basic pocketing is taught center ball first.
Comes after firstamon.He won't call you that again, surely.
Google, google, google ... 3 useful hits
A guy named Dinja is a dressage champion. Now why exactly is dressage in the Summer Olympic Games but cue sports not?
"dinja" is Croatian for cantaloupe. Kinda sweet.
And finally, we have this which would make a neat avatar and not fishy at all. What's a Nexomon?
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For those interested in a full presentation of the system, including how to make adjustments for speed and for the OB distance from the rail, see:
Here's a useful 1-page handout that summarizes all the important info. And here's one of the videos from the resource page:
The mirror system expands the range I can shoot rail first accurately, or fairly accurately. Out to a two ball gap from the rail my eyeball works just fine, after that the mirror system can definitely help. I can go rail first with the ball six inches from the rail, well past my eyeball comfort range.
Knowing the mirror system can make the difference in percentages between shooting for the pocket or playing safe. If not comfortable with a shot for any reason it does help confidence on any rail first shot. Of course it goes without saying that you are living dangerously marking the table or positioning chalk but just looking at your spot on the rail should be adequate. If you aren't comfortable with finding your aimpoint on rail or cushion point from behind the cue ball, a simple trick is to lock your eyes on that spot once found until you are behind the cue ball. A trick I use back cutting balls too.
The mirror system was credited to Jim Rempe when I learned it many years ago. I don't know if he claims it. Dead simple and it works. Everyone should know it.
Hu
Knowing the mirror system can make the difference in percentages between shooting for the pocket or playing safe. If not comfortable with a shot for any reason it does help confidence on any rail first shot. Of course it goes without saying that you are living dangerously marking the table or positioning chalk but just looking at your spot on the rail should be adequate. If you aren't comfortable with finding your aimpoint on rail or cushion point from behind the cue ball, a simple trick is to lock your eyes on that spot once found until you are behind the cue ball. A trick I use back cutting balls too.
The mirror system was credited to Jim Rempe when I learned it many years ago. I don't know if he claims it. Dead simple and it works. Everyone should know it.
Hu