My New Simonis 860 Doesn't Like Magic Racking...

Kickin' Chicken

Kickin' Chicken

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Less than 2 months old, my new Simonis cloth is showing a ring around the rack area where hands are placed when magic racking.

I am a bit of a clean freak (ask RKC - ;) ) so my hands are certainly always clean when racking and I'm definitely not rubbing hard on the cloth. BTW, this is just from when the balls are already in place and you are locking the balls in.

Has anyone else experienced this?

It's not that big of a deal but I'd rather this mark wasn't there.

All comments/suggestions are welcome.

Best,
Brian kc
p.s. this pic is from 2 weeks ago, it's even a lttle worse now.
 

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Kickin' Chicken said:
Less than 2 months old, my new Simonis cloth is showing a ring around the rack area where hands are placed when magic racking.

I am a bit of a clean freak (ask RKC - ;) ) so my hands are certainly always clean when racking and I'm definitely not rubbing hard on the cloth. BTW, this is just from when the balls are already in place and you are locking the balls in.

Has anyone else experienced this?

It's not that big of a deal but I'd rather this mark wasn't there.

All comments/suggestions are welcome.

Best,
Brian kc
p.s. this pic is from 2 weeks ago, it's even a lttle worse now.
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You'll get a white spot like those where you place your bridge hand if you practice 14.1 and use the same break to to open them up all the time. At first, a moist cloth will get it out. But after a while it's almost impossible to get it all out. Dead skin and oil.

Lou Figueroa
 
Simonis cloth seams to wear like iron. But stains from chalk, hand and cue dirt very easy.
 
Simonis certainly picks up stains easily, but plays great. I have not noticed those white rings yet on my new green cloth. I will keep my eye on it.
 
Man, I gotta get my mind outta the gutter.

All I see there is some chicks ass print.
 
Kickin' Chicken said:
Less than 2 months old, my new Simonis cloth is showing a ring around the rack area where hands are placed when magic racking.

I am a bit of a clean freak (ask RKC - ;) ) so my hands are certainly always clean when racking and I'm definitely not rubbing hard on the cloth. BTW, this is just from when the balls are already in place and you are locking the balls in.

Has anyone else experienced this?

It's not that big of a deal but I'd rather this mark wasn't there.

All comments/suggestions are welcome.

Best,
Brian kc
p.s. this pic is from 2 weeks ago, it's even a lttle worse now.
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Brian

Russ (poolhustler) has the same arcs on his 860 from magic racking, but unlike yours, his are grimy black(ish). He's a clean freak too, and thus far the best solution he's come up with is to ban me (sort of like the AZ Mods *sniff*).

Kevin
 
lfigueroa said:
You'll get a white spot like those where you place your bridge hand if you practice 14.1 and use the same break to to open them up all the time. At first, a moist cloth will get it out. But after a while it's almost impossible to get it all out. Dead skin and oil.

Lou Figueroa
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That's right -- and the same thing happens when playing lots of one pocket. The Diamond one pocket table at Iron Willies where I play on Monday nights, shows the bridge hand "bleaching" just behind the head string at the left and right long cushions, as well as on the top of the cushions just behind the head string. (And no, this is not from 9-ball breaks -- Iron Willies is very strict about no hard break games being played on their prized Diamond one pocket table. You get caught playing 9-ball on this table, and you get only one stern warning -- the next time is an ejection from the premises.)

I think it has to do with the oils and sweat from the hand oxidizing in the cloth, and creating a sort of bleaching agent that gets activated under the intense light. It affects the dye of the cloth at first, and then later -- much later -- starts breaking down the fibers in the cloth (but that would literally take YEARS -- by the time that happens, it's time to change the cloth anyway.) At least that's what I read somewhere in a long lost article in a pool table circular.

From what I read, there's really nothing you can do about this except keep your hands clean (dirty hands exacerbates the problem and speeds up the bleaching/fiber-breakdown process), but even clean hands sweat and exude natural oils. So it's only a matter of time.

-Sean
 
Fix

I had the same problem on my home Diamond table and finally realized that the marks were being made by sides of my hands resting on the bed of the table while pushing the balls together on the second and third rows of balls in the nine ball rack. I have eliminated the problem by making a conscious effort not to touch the table with my hands while making contact with those balls. Feels strange at first but soon becomes natural.
 
Kickin' Chicken,

Go ahead and spill a bowlful of salsa on the cloth and I promise you won't notice the hand stains anymore :D!!!

Maniac
 
Thats classic Simonis for ya. I had the tourny blue on mine and about 6 months down the road it looked like it had been in a pool hall for years. Still played the same but looks WELL worn.
 
peter_gunn said:
try to rack with gloves :D
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Personally I would prefer not to wear gloves when I play, but this seems to be the best solution to your problem. Just when you've got everything exactly right, up pops the devil. Good luck with preventing it from happening.
 
plshrk22 said:
Thats classic Simonis for ya. I had the tourny blue on mine and about 6 months down the road it looked like it had been in a pool hall for years. Still played the same but looks WELL worn.
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As a side note, the pool tables at my home room were just recovered (by the top table mechanic in the area, Cueball) and I have to say that my impression is that Simonis nowadays is not as fast as it used to be. Just an observation.

Lou Figueroa
and yes, the cloth is stretch tight as...
well, you know :-)
 
Old Simonis 860

I had my table covered about 5 years ago, with Simonis 860 traditional green.
1923 Brunswick-Balke-Collender Monarch table with 1 1/2 inch slate.

It was strectched super tight by Sang Lee when he came to Milpitas Ca.,
for a three cushion tournament.

It does not have any marks on it.

I'm wondering if they changed the recipe for the cloth.

I don't recall seeing these marks on our local tables.
California Billiard club where I play has Brunswick tables that Ernesto and Oscar recovered.
 
BarneyCalip said:
I had my table covered about 5 years ago, with Simonis 860 traditional green.
1923 Brunswick-Balke-Collender Monarch table with 1 1/2 inch slate.

It was strectched super tight by Sang Lee when he came to Milpitas Ca.,
for a three cushion tournament.

It does not have any marks on it.

I'm wondering if they changed the recipe for the cloth.

I don't recall seeing these marks on our local tables.
California Billiard club where I play has Brunswick tables that Ernesto and Oscar recovered.
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I would forward this discussion to the mechanics section and summon the Cobra ....

I use a magic rack have camel cloth and do not have these lesions that you show here ... I stretched the cloth myself btw. and it is super tight and speed is correct.

I know the HR is less prone to this type of stuff and is a bit faster then the straight 860.
 
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