My night out at the IPT event

Not a cheap crew but a cheap shot

jay helfert said:
Sound check, what an innovative idea. He probably hired the cheapest crew he could find to shoot this. Someone he hasn't stiffed yet.
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Since you weren't there -- and I was -- it appears that you have an agenda with the IPT -- for whatever reason. Since everybody has now been paid, where does the stiffing part come in? ... And the Lord said, "Father forgive them...." I just checked and verified that Busty and Corey both got paid what they were supposed to. Busty got 5k and Corey got a decent 2nd place check --- the amount he was promised. If you think this broadcast is a cheap operation you are very wrong. The soundstage that the broadcast emanates from, is one very large floor in a very large building owned by one of the new sponsors. A very rich, billionaire Greek. The crew was all very professional and qualified. The soundstage lounge where we ate and could also watch the match on various large HD TVs was outfitted with expensive sofas and chairs and was large enough to put about 30 pool tables
in. Jay, give these guys a break and just wait and see what happens. Listen to the Beard. How easy do you think it is to con a Sicilian pool hustler like myself?
Now for the "first-class operation" knocker who denigrated the pizza, beef. sausage and salad buffet, what should they have provided free for the 50, quote 50, attendees? Chateaubriand?

the Beard
 
They still haven't paid anything to all the players who put up 2000 $ to qualify for a tournament that never happened.

I will never forgive IPT, Kevin Trudeau, Deno J. Andrews for stiffing these people.

I don't give a shit if all the IPT-pros have got their money, as long as the players who entered qualifiers haven't got a dime. The pros has got some of the qualifiers money, and that doesn't feel right to me.

WHEN the players who entered qualifiers have got their money back, I will PERHAPS give IPT a new chance.
 
freddy the beard said:
Since you weren't there -- and I was -- it appears that you have an agenda with the IPT -- for whatever reason. Since everybody has now been paid, where does the stiffing part come in? ... And the Lord said, "Father forgive them...." I just checked and verified that Busty and Corey both got paid what they were supposed to. Busty got 5k and Corey got a decent 2nd place check --- the amount he was promised. If you think this broadcast is a cheap operation you are very wrong. The soundstage that the broadcast emanates from, is one very large floor in a very large building owned by one of the new sponsors. A very rich, billionaire Greek. The crew was all very professional and qualified. The soundstage lounge where we ate and could also watch the match on various large HD TVs was outfitted with expensive sofas and chairs and was large enough to put about 30 pool tables
in. Jay, give these guys a break and just wait and see what happens. Listen to the Beard. How easy do you think it is to con a Sicilian pool hustler like myself?
Now for the "first-class operation" knocker who denigrated the pizza, beef. sausage and salad buffet, what should they have provided free for the 50, quote 50, attendees? Chateaubriand?

the Beard
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Freddy, pool players will never 'stop' whining...even when it's free they'll find something wrong, did Sigel eat Pizza this time?
The only reason I did not watch, I had to sign up all over again and I was not in the mood since I had already done it once.
 
freddy the beard said:
give these guys a break and just wait and see what happens. Listen to the Beard.
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In Orlando at the first event, Kevin said "The money is in escrow with a national accounting firm" and he also said that he would "fund the tour out of his own pocket for the first three yrs."

I gave them a chance once. For me personally, my thoughts on the IPT are best summed up like this... "First time shame on you, second time shame on me."

No second time for me but I wish those that jump in for the 2nd round the best of luck.
 
No pizza for Mike Sigel

Island Drive said:
Freddy, pool players will never 'stop' whining...even when it's free they'll find something wrong, did Sigel eat Pizza this time?
The only reason I did not watch, I had to sign up all over again and I was not in the mood since I had already done it once.
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No Mike did not partake of the buffet. He has much too much money now. He was waiting to eat later at a fancy steak joint.

the Beard
 
who's on first??

In regard to the IPT, if I was a touring professional pool player and could choose differen't promoters to support I personally would lean toward a home run hitter that would strike out on occasion vs. a single hitter with a bad leg who has a problem making it to first base,and then never advancing.
 
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freddy the beard said:
Now for the "first-class operation" knocker who denigrated the pizza, beef. sausage and salad buffet, what should they have provided free for the 50, quote 50, attendees? Chateaubriand?

the Beard
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Just please again, don't use first class & pizza in the same sentence. I love pizza but wouldn't consider it first class. Sounds like they were serving lots of kool-aid with the pizza as well. I bet at least, since it was first class, it was served on fine china & crystal. KT should be a wedding planner with a new pitch line - 150 people, you want first class - McDonald value meals for everyone. Don't worry, they won't expect you to say first class & then actually spend the $$$ to be first class.

Second, if they have a Greek billionaire involved - quit the stall & fire up the tournaments. Let the billionaire build a 'pool dome', probably could do so for 1/2 million which is a drop in the bucket to a billionaire. Didn't we hear last year that he had a Hong Kong billionaire involved and the IPT was saved. F'in hilarious.

I hear the first challenge match they had, KT & his puppet Deno tried to bait & switch the players into a cruise instead of the $$$ he promised. Shocker.

Freddy, unfortunately you have been snowed by a guy that still has shown no substance in running a first class operation. He screwed up, tried to screw the players, lied to the players & now should be pefect if he wants any respect from me or others. But, like one of his bad infomercials, you have fallen into all the flash of this shallow production.

By the way - were they large pizzas??
 
Freddy,

Did you lock up either of the two players into an exclusive autograph contract deal?
 
watchez said:
Just please again, don't use first class & pizza in the same sentence. I love pizza but wouldn't consider it first class.
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You haven't been eating the right pizza :D

~rc
 
freddy the beard said:
How easy do you think it is to con a Sicilian pool hustler like myself?
Now for the "first-class operation" knocker who denigrated the pizza, beef. sausage and salad buffet, what should they have provided free for the 50, quote 50, attendees? Chateaubriand?

the Beard
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Apparently, not very hard at all, sir.

First class con, by world class hustler.

KT could give you the 5 out and the breaks as far as I see it.
 
We have time

belmicah said:
Apparently, not very hard at all, sir.

First class con, by world class hustler.

KT could give you the 5 out and the breaks as far as I see it.
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You are 100% correct with your perception of Trudeau,he is the best but maybe he can generate enough interest and money into his venture that both professional pool and he can benifit from.If professional pool was heading into a positive direction then the players could afford to be more selective,but that's not the case ,is it?
 
wincardona said:
You are 100% correct with your perception of Trudeau,he is the best but maybe he can generate enough interest and money into his venture that both professional pool and he can benifit from.If professional pool was heading into a positive direction then the players could afford to be more selective,but that's not the case ,is it?
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Its very true,they take what they can get,i mean i could be a drug dealing murdering rapist SOB but if i put up the cash i will get players to play,they need the money. :cool:
 
wincardona said:
You are 100% correct with your perception of Trudeau,he is the best but maybe he can generate enough interest and money into his venture that both professional pool and he can benifit from.If professional pool was heading into a positive direction then the players could afford to be more selective,but that's not the case ,is it?
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I believe that pool IS headed in the right direction, and the only reason that professional pool would not be headed into a positive direction is guys like Trudeau.
 
I have to inform that I just got told that players who won Tour Qualifiers have been paid 1/3 of the 2000 $ they put up in entryfee, and I have got it confirmed by one of the players. (Line Kjorsvik)

However, I still feel that ALL the players that entered the Tour Qualifiers should get a refund, since they entered qualifiers for something that never happened or will ever happen.

EDIT: It really is a good thing that IPT is trying to solve the problem, and willing to restart. But till the day all the players have got paid in full, even those who entered Tour Card Qualifiers but did not make it, I will find it hard to support the IPT.
 
Roy Steffensen said:
They still haven't paid anything to all the players who put up 2000 $ to qualify for a tournament that never happened.

I will never forgive IPT, Kevin Trudeau, Deno J. Andrews for stiffing these people.

I don't give a shit if all the IPT-pros have got their money, as long as the players who entered qualifiers haven't got a dime. The pros has got some of the qualifiers money, and that doesn't feel right to me.

WHEN the players who entered qualifiers have got their money back, I will PERHAPS give IPT a new chance.
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Your information is incorrect. Several players, who post on AZ, who played in qualifiers have reported getting multiple payments, two that come to mind immediately are Oscar Dominguez and Frank the Barber.
 
belmicah said:
I believe that pool IS headed in the right direction, and the only reason that professional pool would not be headed into a positive direction is guys like Trudeau.
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I feel that pool is heading into the right direction,but as a professional player I would be more concerned about the pace then anything else. Reason being that I would like to finally get paid instead of waiting for promises that never have come to fruition. I'm 64 years old and have been playing pool for over 50 years, 45 years as a professional.I would like to put this in the right prospective,not for me but for the players that are younger and pursuing a livlihood in pool. Maybe Trudeau will not succeed in his vision , and truthfully ,we really don't know for sure what it is,but what we should know based on his style that it probably figures to be big if successful. Now is not the right time to try to desroy what he's trying to build ,especially now that we know a little more about him as a person.Use whatever we know about him as a tool that will give us leverage and the ability to go forward with him or to choose another path with our direction. At this point we have nothing at stake and nothing to lose , but a lot to gain if he can promote our game.
 
freddy the beard said:
Since you weren't there -- and I was -- it appears that you have an agenda with the IPT -- for whatever reason. Since everybody has now been paid, where does the stiffing part come in? ... And the Lord said, "Father forgive them...." I just checked and verified that Busty and Corey both got paid what they were supposed to. Busty got 5k and Corey got a decent 2nd place check --- the amount he was promised. If you think this broadcast is a cheap operation you are very wrong. The soundstage that the broadcast emanates from, is one very large floor in a very large building owned by one of the new sponsors. A very rich, billionaire Greek. The crew was all very professional and qualified. The soundstage lounge where we ate and could also watch the match on various large HD TVs was outfitted with expensive sofas and chairs and was large enough to put about 30 pool tables
in. Jay, give these guys a break and just wait and see what happens. Listen to the Beard. How easy do you think it is to con a Sicilian pool hustler like myself?
Now for the "first-class operation" knocker who denigrated the pizza, beef. sausage and salad buffet, what should they have provided free for the 50, quote 50, attendees? Chateaubriand?

the Beard
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Freddy, you have to be a little forgiving of those that hate KT and the IPT some who have somewhat valid reasons and others that just like to hate even though they have no involvement.
Jay went through some rough times with KT, Dino and the IPT. From what I read that was posted on AZ, first was the debacle on him getting paid for backing Cliff Joyner. Eventually, he did get paid off but not before some pretty heavy and heated exchanges. Second, when he showed up at one of the IPT venues, either Vegas or Reno, security escorted him out of the casino.
I am sure some others have horror stories also but Jay's probably rates right up there and I am probably only aware of a small part of the story.
 
If someone even starts to sing the theme from the Wizard of Oz, I might shed a tear.
 
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